Not all non-Catholics are full blown Protestants

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forthefaith77 said:
To an outsider Anglicanism does seem to be the closet to the Roman Catholic Church. What happened to the very blunt and out of blue news reports about and reunited church with Catholics? It seems impossible to reunite the catholic church with baptists, lutherans or most protestants exepct the COE.
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The report that I think you mean was a mispreported and misinterpreted misunderstanding, A good idea, whose time has not come.

GKC
 
GKC said:
The Articles expressed Elizabeth’s peculiar way of running a Church.
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Yes, there was the Protestant church under Henry VIII. Then a more ‘radical’ version under Edward VI which was continued albeit exceptionally briefly under Jane. This was oppressed under Mary I. It was revived under Elizabeth I in a much more moderate form. It was given some formalisation too under James I and Charles I.

So they’ve been several versions of the Anglican church, depending upon the whim of the monarch
 
Traveller1534 said:
I was a cradle Catholic up until three years ago in which I and my wife and son converted to the Episcopal church. I would have to say that to call us Protestants and lump us together with the likes of Baptists, Pentecostals and Jehovah’s Witnesses would be illogical andmean spirited. We too consider ourselves catholic because we maintain the creeds, the eucharist and ancient tradition along with all 7 (not just 2) sacrements. We too have sacremental confession, make the sign of the cross, baptize infants and proclaim the eucharist to be the REAL PRESENCE of Jesus Christ. I don’t believe that you would find those CATHOLIC qualities and quantities in a Pentecostal church.

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I don’t mean to sound harsh, but the definition of a Protestant is “one who leaves the Catholic Church out of free will and/or convenience.” Anyone who professes to be Christian and is not Catholic is a Protestant. It’s black and white. There is no gray. Remember, the devil’s favorite colour is gray 😉
 
Montalban said:
Yes, there was the Protestant church under Henry VIII. Then a more ‘radical’ version under Edward VI which was continued albeit exceptionally briefly under Jane. This was oppressed under Mary I. It was revived under Elizabeth I in a much more moderate form. It was given some formalisation too under James I and Charles I.

So they’ve been several versions of the Anglican church, depending upon the whim of the monarch
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There still are several versions of the Anglican Church. See Contarini and me, for example.

GKC
 
Montalban said:
How was this a Catholic abuse given that divorce was not possible in the Catholic church?

So you agree that your church is Protestant 🤷
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Henry didn’t seek a divorce. He sought a decree of nullity, a process that was central to how the RCC worked, and how the socitiey of the day was governed. He based it on a supposed impediment of affinity in the first degree, collateral. A stronger case would have been to base it on an impediment of the justice of public honesty. But in either case, what he did was not only routine it was commonplace at the time, to permit the making and unmaking of dynastic marriages. And so was political influence, such as Charles V exerted over Clement.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Henry didn’t seek a divorce. He sought a decree of nullity, a process that was central to how the RCC worked, and how the socitiey of the day was governed. He based it on a supposed impediment of affinity in the first degree, collateral. A stronger case would have been to base it on an impediment of the justice of public honesty. But in either case, what he did was not only routine it was commonplace at the time, to permit the making and unmaking of dynastic marriages. And so was political influence, such as Charles V exerted over Clement.

GKC
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The debates of Henry VIII are still going on 500 years later.

Look I am no expert on that as it seems pretty complicated but all I know is that the Anglican communion is in a state of confusion and disrepair you have Episcopalians wanting the church to conform to them, the African Church wants the american church that disagrees with them to be dropped from their communion, you have anglo-catholics who don’t want to be protestant anymore yet don’t want to full communion with Rome route, and you have the Archbishop of Canterburry as a refereed trying to keep all these seperate factions under one roof and having failed as many have broken off communion with each other or will do this shortly.

THis much is sure the one anglican church of Henry VIII does not exist it is a fractured mess and that is not something the King envisioned back in the day. He merely thought he could carry off English Catholicism without a Pope a novel idea which failed a long time ago. Its time for the anglo-catholic to reconsider and avoid the the never ender squabling that had defined modern Anglicanism. Evertime you disagree with each other you find a Nigerian Bishop to be your new authority? This is not something the apostolic church ever did and something even Anglicans woudl have to admit is not solving the problem.
 
Wisdom said:
The debates of Henry VIII are still going on 500 years later. Look I am no expert on that as it seems pretty complicated but all I know is that the Anglican communion is in a state of confusion and disrepari you have Episcopalians wanting the church to conform to them, the African Church wants the american church that disagrees with them to be dropped from the catholic communion, you have anglo-catholics who don’t want to be protestant anymore yet don’t want to full communion with Rome route, and you have the Archbishop of Canterburry as a refereed trying to keep all these seperate factions under one roof and having failed as many have broken off communion with each other. THis much is sure the one anglican church of Henry VIII does not exist it is a fractured mess and that is not something the King envisioned back in the day. He merely thought he could carry off English Catholicism without a Pope a novel idea which failed a long time ago. Its time for the anglo-catholic to reconsider and avoid the the never ender squabling that had defined modern Anglicanism.
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I’m not an expert either, but I’m well read in the subject. I agree with much of what you say.

GKC

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All non-Catholics might not be full blown Protestants, but they’re not full blown Catholics, either. 🤷
 
Friend_Of_Rome said:
I don’t mean to sound harsh, but the definition of a Protestant is “one who leaves the Catholic Church out of free will and/or convenience.” Anyone who professes to be Christian and is not Catholic is a Protestant. It’s black and white. There is no gray. Remember, the devil’s favorite colour is gray 😉
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…and the Orthodox are ___________?

You may not like gray, but you are oversimplifying the matter.
 
There seems to be different doctrines within the Angelican church, that I’m aware of, concerning the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Can someone respond if they believe in transubstantiation or is it transsignification?
 
Traveller1534 said:
I was a cradle Catholic up until three years ago in which I and my wife and son converted to the Episcopal church. I would have to say that to call us Protestants and lump us together with the likes of Baptists, Pentecostals and Jehovah’s Witnesses would be illogical andmean spirited. We too consider ourselves catholic because we maintain the creeds, the eucharist and ancient tradition along with all 7 (not just 2) sacrements. We too have sacremental confession, make the sign of the cross, baptize infants and proclaim the eucharist to be the REAL PRESENCE of Jesus Christ. I don’t believe that you would find those CATHOLIC qualities and quantities in a Pentecostal church.

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You are like in a partial communion with the Catholic Church but could not receive at one, correct me if I am wrong.
Did you get rebaptized?
If you did you were denying your original as authentic.
What creed do you say?
Our Eucharist is concecrated by an ordained priest of the Roman Catholic Church.
A lot of churches won’t use the word catholic at all because they don’t want their protestant church to be thought of as Catholic with big C.
You are just calling yourself generic:D . Dessert
 
Efrain said:
There seems to be different doctrines within the Angelican church, that I’m aware of, concerning the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Can someone respond if they believe in transubstantiation or is it transsignification?
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I can respond. All of the above. Depends on which Anglicans you ask.

Wanna ask me?

GKC
 
Traveller1534 said:
And you are wrong. The Reformation began because the Catholic church was abusing people and justifying it because they maintained that they were solely the Church of Christ. King Henry’s divorce form the King of Spain’s daughter was a product of it. Thomas Cranmer was actually the first Archbishop of Canterbury after the split from Rome. The Archbishop is still the head of the Anglican communion today. The Anglican church is protestant in the fact that it split from Rome but also Catholic in how it has maintained the Liturgy and style of worship along with the 7 sacrements.
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"The Anglican church is protestant in the fact that it split from Rome but also Catholic in how it has maintained the Liturgy and style of worship along with the 7 sacrements."

If you’re Christian, but not in communion with the Church, as defined by the Church, then you are protestant. Period.

And how would it be “wrong” for the Church to not object to people defining it as other than the SOLE Church when that is what it is, and what you professed it to be, until you “protested” that that was “wrong”…?

I don’t mind that you’re a protestant, or that you would object that you are actually a Catholic who doesn’t realize that due to your protestations (rebellion), but to claim that everyone should consent to YOUR definitions of things which they don’t believe and then claim that they are MEAN for not doing so gives me a pretty good explanation as to why you left the Church.

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.
 
The reality is that most Protestant Churches also assert that they are Catholic. The Protestant Churches have a different understanding of the term than does the Roman Catholic Church. We should acknowledge that each have different understandings and move on…
 
rr1213 said:
The reality is that most Protestant Churches also assert that they are Catholic. The Protestant Churches have a different understanding of the term than does the Roman Catholic Church. We should acknowledge that each have different understandings and move on…
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Hear hear…!!

…to what?

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.
 
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