Glad to see we’re on the same page. Now, if only some others could be convinced of the fact that the Novus Ordo MASS (stop using the term ‘service’ unless you’re poorly catechized because we all know it’s still Mass) is just as valid and sacred as the Tridentine Mass…
As sacred, yes. Good? Maybe. The Mass can never be bad, for sure, unless it is invalid or sacreligious. Even a highly illicit Mass is not intrinsically bad but there are Masses that are better than others. Part of that is subjective. (you find Latin more uplifting or you are lost if it isn’t in the vernacular, etc.)
Snarky! I love that word. Must remember that one.
Just for the record. This is the sub forum for Traditional Catholicism, not the Traditional* Latin *Forum. Being a traditional Catholic is not synonymous with being an adherent to the EF over all other forms of the Mass or with wanting Latin over the vernacular. That is not to say that there is a decided tendancy in this subforum to be a EF “fan”, it just isn’t required.
That IS, indeed, the Holy Father’s articulated position.
No offense taken. I really don’t think of myself as a traditionalist. I only wish I was as good as some of them.
Can’t help the way I feel. But I did not attend another Mass that day. Does that make you feel better?
I’ve accepted the OF, but only because the Holy Father has refrained from calling it the New Rite. No other reason.
That I can agree with.
I’m not going to take the time to research every word he said, but since you brought it up in this thread I was simply asking for an example. Since he allegedly has a history of doing this, surely one or two examples can be given easily.
No, young lady, HE accused ME of bashing. I answered him back by saying he was hardly one to speak the word. Did you fly to my defense over his accusation of bashing? Do your own research! Knowing the poster to whom I’m referring, it won’t take you long. If you’ve got time to cast aspersions on the Mass of Paul VI and sit in judgment on the Vicars of Christ, then you’ve got time to scroll through posts! Do you even bother to read through a thread before you offer comment?
Quite defensive today, aren’t we? Don’t freak out, good grief. I’ve read posts of his from other threads and I’m not asking for examples of his bashing, which is sometimes hard to not do (this goes for anybody) or misreading a tone of voice. I asked for examples of misinformation, or the misrepresentation of facts, not his misunderstanding of your view. Maybe I didn’t make that question clear earlier, but that’s what it is.
Again, look them up. If you’ve got time to learn that communion in the hand and communion in both species is a departure of the holy from the Mass, then you’ve got an equal amount of time to learn the truth, about any number of things, including the poster you’re asking me about. Shouldn’t be too hard, go to his profile and look at his posts. And it’s not MY understanding, it’s the Church’s, ie, TRENT.
Your refusal to answer says it all.
Refusal to answer what? A taunt? Bravo, JKirk for not doing it.
No need to offer the Traditional as a souped up version of the Pauline Kirk and thanks for the insight of the drill team approach to worship. Never heard that one before and I never thought I would hear from you. The Traditional is as rigid as it is in part to help combat the abuses which were cropping up all over the place. The Church learned and then apparently unlearned that people, left to their own devices often abandon the sacred and drift off into other realms of worship. Witness for example the Israelites actions while Moses was on Mt Sinai and the more recent proliferation of Protestant sests all varying in some degree or another.
As does your inability to search posts.
By drill team, I mean the rigidity of movements. They don’t have to be sloppy, but they don’t have to look like an army drill team. The Holy See manages it, the rest of us can.
Indeed. Since we’re armchair tweaking, I would suggest that perhaps the Tridentine with vernacular propers can be the new N.O. (if sung, the propers should always be Latin and in Gregorian Chant though, sung Enghish doesn’t “chant” so well). The ordinary of the mass, since it doesn’t change, would still be Latin since all could learn these parts over time. We can call this the New Order Missal of Benedict XVI of 2007 or something.
Oh, I don’t know J, I rather like the dignified way those at (and approaching) the altar at a TLM “move from place to place.” They trod on sacred ground after all. Sure beats the all-to-common 50-yard-dash-sprint-procession to the altar and the casual trapsing around it by lay-folk and girl-altar-boys in bath robe looking albs and jelly-clog shoes.
Maybe you should read previous posts on this thread. The refusal to answer my question: Which facts (of Catholicism, not mistinterpretation of personal opinion) were misconstrued by Bob?Refusal to answer what? A taunt? Bravo, JKirk for not doing it.