Not enough evidence sir

[djames99]

PRmerger, you need to move away from the “them and us” psyche. We are all fraternal brothers and sisters.

“Catholic”, my profile states …wannabe. I leave it to those who make judgement calls to consider my qualification.

“Right judgement”

I’m interested. So how in the context of evangelization and trying to persuade protestants to return to the Church would indicting them be used to ensure uncoerced success?. Please site references.

 

[djames99]

Point is that you are allowed to denigrate others, and point out to others when they are doing so, but for some reason you do not extend that grace to others on this thread. You reserve that for yourself alone

I disagree. The poster in my view was being uncharitable. As I fraternally correct I am required to describe the act which seems to be occurring, giving the benefit of the doubt. I could have phrased the act, or used a word that best describes it, nevertheless, there is no option for me to say nothing. The poster in turn has the option of correcting me or posting a rebuttal.

I would recommend reading Corinthians which describes the spirit of fraternity and our social dealings with our fraternal brothers and sisters.

Either allow all of us, Catholics and non-believers, to object to someone’s argument.

I can’t recall having the authority to prevent anyone from doing so. Your argument to me proves how accommodating I am.

But that doesn’t include accepting error, which in the long wrong would be a disservice to a new initiate, who would eventually ask you why you did not correct him earlier, and that may only be realized at some point of his maturing Faith.

 

[PRmerger]

PRmerger, you need to move away from the “them and us” psyche.

I will if you will.

“Right judgement”

Right. See John 7:24.

I’m interested. So how in the context of evangelization and trying to persuade protestants to return to the Church would indicting them be used to ensure uncoerced success?. Please site references.

You seem to have a problem with my use of the word “indictment.”

Would it serve the dialogue better if I amended that word to “what I find wrong” with Protestantism?

 

[PRmerger]

Point is that you are allowed to denigrate others, and point out to others when they are doing so, but for some reason you do not extend that grace to others on this thread. You reserve that for yourself alone

I disagree. The poster in my view was being uncharitable. As I fraternally correct I am required to describe the act which seems to be occurring, giving the benefit of the doubt. I could have phrased the act, or used a word that best describes it, nevertheless, there is no option for me to say nothing. The poster in turn has the option of correcting me or posting a rebuttal.

I would recommend reading Corinthians which describes the spirit of fraternity and our social dealings with our fraternal brothers and sisters.

Either allow all of us, Catholics and non-believers, to object to someone’s argument.

I can’t recall having the authority to prevent anyone from doing so. Your argument to me proves how accommodating I am.

But that doesn’t include accepting error, which in the long wrong would be a disservice to a new initiate, who would eventually ask you why you did not correct him earlier, and that may only be realized at some point of his maturing Faith.

Firstly, dj, please learn how to use the quote feature properly. There are several threads that detail how to do this.

Secondly, you have allowed yourself to indict others here, but seem to have a problem when others do that.

You are simply being called on this double standard.

 

[User124]

Ok.

So you’re saying that the Sunnis don’t believe in One God who is creator and all merciful and all just?

I’m pretty sure that all Muslims, no matter what sect, proclaim that there is One God who is creator and all merciful and all just.

I’m going to look that up right now and I’m betting I won’t have to retract my statement.

Yes, even those who bomb themselves and others say: In the name of merciful god.

I don’t know if you are truly misunderstanding me or claiming to misunderstand me.

Saying “My religion is peaceful”, “My god is merciful” aren’t enough when you evaluate a specific religion more deeply!

 

[User124]

"The greatest principle of Sufism is: ‘Ishq Allah Mabud Allah’. (God is love, lover, and beloved). [literally: God is Love, God is Beloved]

When Ahad, the only Being, became conscious of his Wahdat, only existence, through His own consciousness, then His predisposition of love made Him project Himself to establish His dual aspect, that He might be able to love someone. This made God the lover, and manifestation the beloved; the next inversion makes manifestation the lover, and God the beloved. This force of love has been working through several evolutions and involutions, which end in man who is the ultimate aim of God. The dual aspect of God is significant in Zat and Sifat, in spirit and matter, and in the mineral, vegetable, animal, and human kingdoms, wherein the two sexes, male and female, are clearly represented. The dual aspect of God is symbolized by each form of this wonderful world. This whole universe, internally and externally, is governed by the force of love, which is sometimes the cause and sometimes the effect. The producer and the product are one, and that One is nothing but love.

A church, a temple or a Kaba stone,
Quran or Bible or a martyr’s bone,
All these and more my heart can tolerate,
Since my religion now is Love alone.

Abul Ala al-Maari

Sufis take the course of love and devotion to accomplish their highest aim, because it is love which has brought man from the world of unity to the world of variety, and the same force can take him back again to the world of unity from that of variety.

Love is the reduction of the universe to the single being,
and the expansion of a single being, even to God

Balzac

Love is that state of mind in which the consciousness of the lover is merged in that of the object of his love; it produces in the lover all the attributes of humanity, such as resignation, renunciation, humility, kindness, contentment, patience, virtue, calmness, gentleness, charity, faithfulness, bravery, by which the devotee becomes harmonized with the Absolute. As one of God’s beloved, a path is opened for his heavenly journey: at the end he arrives at oneness with God, and his whole individuality is dissolved in the ocean of eternal bliss where even the conception of God and man disappears.

Although love is a sweet madness,
Yet all infirmities it heals.
Saints and sages have passed through it,
Love both to God and man appeals."

wahiduddin.net/mv2/V/V_1.htm

I think that Sufism, Buddhism, Jainism, believe in what they call GOD (existence, universal consciousness) and this is considered good by many atheists, deists and humanists unlike Christianity, Islam and Judaism who believe in a personal god and specific dogmas.

“If scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims.”
― Dalai Lama

 

[PRmerger]

Yes, even those who bomb themselves and others say: In the name of merciful god.

elisakreisinger.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/eyeroll.gif

That’s the part where we don’t agree with Muslims, right?
But the other part? The one where they claim that there is One God, where they would be arguing with me against you, that’s where we give them the

I don’t know if you are truly misunderstanding me or claiming to misunderstand me.

This seems to be a common theme in your posts about people misunderstanding you. I don’t want to be accusatory–'cause I really like you and enjoy the dialogue –but 1 time when someone misunderstands you may be the reader’s fault. But when it’s a theme, perhaps you need to re-evaluate how you’re presenting your position?

Saying “My religion is peaceful”, “My god is merciful” aren’t enough when you evaluate a specific religion more deeply!

Right. No one here is saying it’s “enough”.

 

[User124]

elisakreisinger.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/eyeroll.gif

That’s the part where we don’t agree with Muslims, right?
But the other part? The one where they claim that there is One God, where they would be arguing with me against you, that’s where we give them the

This seems to be a common theme in your posts about people misunderstanding you. I don’t want to be accusatory–'cause I really like you and enjoy the dialogue –but 1 time when someone misunderstands you may be the reader’s fault. But when it’s a theme, perhaps you need to re-evaluate how you’re presenting your position?

Right. No one here is saying it’s “enough”.

Where in the forum did anyone misunderstand me, except you?

And you are saying things then you say: none said so, you are focusing on some of my words and not the ideas that I am trying to deliver, that’s why you are not understanding me well, and I’m actually tired to explain over and over.

 

[User124]

elisakreisinger.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/eyeroll.gif

That’s the part where we don’t agree with Muslims, right?
But the other part? The one where they claim that there is One God, where they would be arguing with me against you, that’s where we give them the

This seems to be a common theme in your posts about people misunderstanding you. I don’t want to be accusatory–'cause I really like you and enjoy the dialogue –but 1 time when someone misunderstands you may be the reader’s fault. But when it’s a theme, perhaps you need to re-evaluate how you’re presenting your position?

Right. No one here is saying it’s “enough”.

Where in the forum did anyone misunderstand me, except you ?

The first reader misread what I wrote, that’s different.

And you are saying things then you say: none said so, you are focusing on some of my words and not the ideas that I am trying to deliver, that’s why you are not understanding me well, and I’m actually tired to explain over and over.

No, not only you disagree about “bombs”, I never said so.

 

[PRmerger]

Where in the forum did anyone misunderstand me, except you ?

The first reader misread what I wrote, that’s different.

And you are saying things then you say: none said so, you are focusing on some of my words and not the ideas that I am trying to deliver, that’s why you are not understanding me well, and I’m actually tired to explain over and over.

No, not only you disagree about “bombs”, I never said so.

Huh? What happened to the you originally gave me? Why did you delete?

 

[User124]

Huh? What happened to the you originally gave me? Why did you delete?

See what you’re doing, I actually gave you a , not an

Completely different, I deleted the to answer you in words not emoticons.

Btw how comes I never see you appearing online, does the forum have an offline option when someone become an elder?

 

[PRmerger]

See what you’re doing, I actually gave you a , not an

Completely different, I deleted the to answer you in words not emoticons.

My bad. It was, indeed, a .

However, what you changed your response to is exactly the OPPOSITE of a smiley face.

Why did you change your opinion in such a short period of time?

Btw how comes I never see you appearing online, does the forum have an offline option when someone become an elder?

You can do it too. Look on your control panel. Go to edit options and opt for invisible mode.

 

[User124]

My bad. It was, indeed, a .

However, what you changed your response to is exactly the OPPOSITE of a smiley face.

Why did you change your opinion in such a short period of time?

You can do it too. Look on your control panel. Go to edit options and opt for invisible mode.

Thanks, what is actually the “opinion” of a smiley face?

 

[PRmerger]

Where in the forum did anyone misunderstand me, except you ?

Here’s someone else you claimed misunderstood you:

You did not understand me, I can see.
Imagination and need (desire) are the greatest roots of best inventions, and I think one of our main inventions as humans were gods.

Believe in whatever you want, you’re free.

And here’s where you claim me of misunderstanding you:

Maybe I’m not good in explaining what I think, or maybe you are not understanding me well.

I’m saying that If I figured out and experienced an undeniable proof or if I was in front of any of the Catholic, Muslim or Jew God, I would acknowledge this god as a truth, therefore I would no longer be an atheist ( a disbeliever ), but I would still make a choice of rejecting those Gods, because I consider them to have the best characters.
Their personalities that is very much similar to humans, is one of the reasons that make me think, that on our own images, we made them.

So, yeah, I think it’s the former and not the latter.

 

[PRmerger]

Thanks, what is actually the “opinion” of a smiley face?

When I saw it that made me happy. It made me think that what I posted made you happy. That you agreed with what I said.

Now, it appears, that you have an absolute objection to everything I said. And that definitely does not warrant a smiley face response.

 

[PRmerger]

No, not only you disagree about “bombs”, I never said so.

Sorry. I have no idea what this means. Could you please 'splain?

 

[User124]

2 posts out of 150 posts, I don’t know if they are too much off the records!

People sometimes can’t understand each others face to face!

But you were the only one in this forum who made it harder for me, because you focused too much on words more than the arguments or the points mentioned in my posts.

 

[PRmerger]

2 posts out of 150 posts, I don’t know if they are too much off the records!

User, that was just a cursory search. I know that I have read at least 4 posts in which you accuse others of not understanding you. I just didn’t feel like searching for more. I just had to go back 3 days to find the first one. I’m sure if I went back a year I’d find even more.

 

[User124]

User, that was just a cursory search. I know that I have read at least 4 posts in which you accuse others of not understanding you. I just didn’t feel like searching for more. I just had to go back 3 days to find the first one. I’m sure if I went back a year I’d find even more.

What’s the point of all of this? and I never “accused” anyone.

If you’re right, what does this serve?

 

[PRmerger]

What’s the point of all of this? and I never “accused” anyone.

If you’re right, what does this serve?

I think it ought to cause you to reconsider how you’re phrasing things. If you keep getting misunderstood, then you need to make yourself more clear the first time.