Not enough non catholic here

[Kaninchen]

Trust me, the sulken hasn’t ended and there are people who still complain about the Catholic Church having Vatican City. The idea that no one complains about Vatican City isn’t true.

I’ve not noticed that the Church is still sulking about losing the Papal States - rather than the old ‘Prisoner In The Vatican’ days, it seems Popes do tours of all sorts of countries, for example.

Do you all have prayers about it and so on with denunciations of Italy for not giving back the old territories?

Seems to me that complaints by other people about the existence of the Vatican would only matter if there were Italians doing the moaning and the loss of tourist income would be something of a catastrophe so there’s not much danger there.

 

[ApologiaSophia]

Is it just my imagination that there are very few non Catholics on this forum? I would have thought that this place would be full of non catholic Christians telling us where we have gone wrong. But no, there are very few.

My supposition is that Protestants (with a few exceptions) don’t hang around here because they cannot debate knowledgeable Catholics.

-_-

Are all the Catholics on this forum knowledgeable? Are there no knowledgeable Protestants? Many leading scholars are Protestant… yet I do not see N. T. Wright or William Lane Craig on this forum.

James White from Alpha Omega ministries has actually interacted with some of the forum’s apologists.

I am sure you do not believe this, at least I hope not. Perhaps this was just your attempt at getting a non-Catholic response. Moreover, I think the real reason is that if one were to post on here as a protestant they would surely be out numbered and overwhelmed by the quantity, more than the quality, of arguments. I wonder if you take part in any Protestant threads?

 

[Kaninchen]

I am sure you do not believe this, at least I hope not. Perhaps this was just your attempt at getting a non-Catholic response. Moreover, I think the real reason is that if one were to post on here as a protestant they would surely be out numbered and overwhelmed by the quantity, more than the quality, of arguments. I wonder if you take part in any Protestant threads?

I’ve been around CAF for quite a long time and I think your ‘overwhelm’ comment is very important in understanding why it is that life for a non-Catholic here can be quite intimidating, especially if your experience of internet forums is limited.

It’s very easy for any comment/answer to lead to multiple comments/questions from a number of posters, which have to be answered and those answers lead to multiple comments/questions . . . . so the whole thing can grow geometrically.

There are ways of dealing with this phenomenon but it does take some experience to develop them.

 

[ApologiaSophia]

I’ve been around CAF for quite a long time and I think your ‘overwhelm’ comment is very important in understanding why it is that life for a non-Catholic here can be quite intimidating, especially if your experience of internet forums is limited.

It’s very easy for any comment/answer to lead to multiple comments/questions from a number of posters, which have to be answered and those answers lead to multiple comments/questions . . . . so the whole thing can grow geometrically.

There are ways of dealing with this phenomenon but it does take some experience to develop them.

ROFL, I may need to ask you for tutelage in how one can deal with this phenomenon. It has happened to me on a small number of occasions, but it will definitely encourage one to procrastinate in responding… to the point of not responding, lol.

 

[guanophore]

• rather than the old ‘Prisoner In The Vatican’ days, it seems Popes do tours of all sorts of countries, for example.

I am really proud of our Popes, and the travelling they do. They walk right into the Lion’s mouth with their trips, going to places where the majority of the populace wants them dead. That takes a lot of courage and fortitude.

 

[JRKH]

Trust me, the sulken hasn’t ended and there are people who still complain about the Catholic Church having Vatican City. The idea that no one complains about Vatican City isn’t true.

I just curious…

What are the complaints about the Church having Vatican City?

Are you talking about complaints about it being a separate state?
Or are you referring to the complaints about how “rich” the church is pointing to Vatican City as proof?

I mean - I really can’t think why anyone would complain about the Church having a specific politically independent “city state” headquarters…

Peace
James

 

[Anna_Scott]

Is it just my imagination that there are very few non Catholics on this forum? I would have thought that this place would be full of non catholic Christians telling us where we have gone wrong. But no, there are very few.

FrederickOz,

I’ve been posting here since 2009. I’ve been posting less lately for a number of reasons. After awhile, the thread topics become repetitive. I’ve had the same discussions numerous times. Also, I post on Anglican Forums.

My supposition is that Protestants (with a few exceptions) don’t hang around here because they cannot debate knowledgeable Catholics.

[SIGN]Ego check alert[/SIGN]

Please forgive the sign, but seriously. . . . .

Peace and blessings,
Anna

 

[Anna_Scott]

-_-

Are all the Catholics on this forum knowledgeable? Are there no knowledgeable Protestants? Many leading scholars are Protestant… yet I do not see N. T. Wright or William Lane Craig on this forum.

James White from Alpha Omega ministries has actually interacted with some of the forum’s apologists.

I am sure you do not believe this, at least I hope not. Perhaps this was just your attempt at getting a non-Catholic response. Moreover, I think the real reason is that if one were to post on here as a protestant they would surely be out numbered and overwhelmed by the quantity, more than the quality, of arguments. I wonder if you take part in any Protestant threads?

ApologiaSophia,

There is an irony in my own experience on CAF, compared to one particular Anglican Forum, whose Protestant-leaning Anglicans bash Anglo Catholics (like myself) in a way that would rival my worst day on CAF.

 

[Anna_Scott]

Yes. There are a few individuals who, when I turn on my computer in the morning and see that they’ve been banned overnight, I say, “YES!”…

but, mostly, when someone is banned I think, “Dern! That member certainly needed to be here. Too bad, really, that he couldn’t contain himself.”

Hi, PR,

Sadly true.

Sometimes, people can’t seem to abide by charity rules and civil conversation. They crash and burn before they can really open up to a meaningful discussion with Catholics.

Good to bump into you, my de-friended/re-friended friend,
Anna

 

[ApologiaSophia]

ApologiaSophia,

There is an irony in my own experience on CAF, compared to one particular Anglican Forum, whose Protestant-leaning Anglicans bash Anglo Catholics (like myself) in a way that would rival my worst day on CAF.

i see the irony. Of course, being Anglo Catholic, that puts in a different poistion than Protestants, at least in the classical sense.

I see your satying in TEC, I would love to talk to you and hear your thoughts on that. I’m currently debating on whether I want to be with ACNA or the TEC, leaning towards the ACNA.

 

[guanophore]

ApologiaSophia,

There is an irony in my own experience on CAF, compared to one particular Anglican Forum, whose Protestant-leaning Anglicans bash Anglo Catholics (like myself) in a way that would rival my worst day on CAF.

I am surprised to hear this, though maybe I should not be. Can you elaborate on what the source of the bashing is towards folks like yourself? Are you too open minded toward Roman Catholicism?

And for the record, I do not accept your apology for your sign. It is entirely appropriate. You are one of the most learned and erudite Protestants ever to grace this board.

 

[PRmerger]

Good to bump into you, my de-friended/re-friended friend,
Anna

Right back at 'cha! :hug1:

 

[TheAtheist]

I sometimes wonder about CAF.

In one sense, the “Non-Catholic” forum is quite revolutionary given that it is a website with an avowed religious viewpoint. More often than not in all the other places i’ve “roamed” about on the Internet lack a medium such as this…although it isn’t due to insularity.

In most cases, folks just don’t really care enough to put up a forum like this.

At the same time, the Non-Catholic forum has attracted a number of individuals who prefer Eristic tone of argumentation…and who are subsequently banned later on.

So does the forum on average really get more “mainstream” examples of the “average” believer in ____ faith? Or just the err… “debat-o-holics” itching for a fight?

 

[Anna_Scott]

i see the irony. Of course, being Anglo Catholic, that puts in a different poistion than Protestants, at least in the classical sense.

I see your satying in TEC, I would love to talk to you and hear your thoughts on that. I’m currently debating on whether I want to be with ACNA or the TEC, leaning towards the ACNA.

ApologiaSophia,

Just send me a PM and we can discuss it. Many in TEC are struggling with the issue.

Anna

 

[Anna_Scott]

I am surprised to hear this, though maybe I should not be. Can you elaborate on what the source of the bashing is towards folks like yourself? Are you too open minded toward Roman Catholicism?

A few examples:

I have no objections to Transubstantiation, but simply yield to the Mystery of the Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist. Not having an objection to Transubstantiation is a problem in discussions with some Anglicans with more Protestant leanings.

I like to go and pray in the presence of the Reserved Sacrament. Just went to our Chapel today. This is really problematic.

I believe in the Perpetual Virginity and Assumption of Mary. Also, problematic.

I have no objection to asking the Saints for Prayers, especially the Blessed Virgin Mary. That is* really* problematic.

Basically, there are some Anglicans with strong Protestant leanings who think Anglo Catholics in the Anglican Communion are too Catholic.

And for the record, I do not accept your apology for your sign. It is entirely appropriate. You are one of the most learned and erudite Protestants ever to grace this board.

I love ya quano, but I’m afraid I can’t live up to your opinion of my “learning.”

I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place: I’m not Catholic enough here on CAF ; and I’m too Catholic for this particular Anglican Forum (not all Anglican forums are like that.)

Peace and blessings,
Anna

[SIGN]Warning! This Anglican is too Catholic![/SIGN]

 

[Anna_Scott]

Right back at 'cha! :hug1:

:hug3:

 

[GKC]

A few examples:

I have no objections to Transubstantiation, but simply yield to the Mystery of the Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist. Not having an objection to Transubstantiation is a problem in discussions with some Anglicans with more Protestant leanings.

I like to go and pray in the presence of the Reserved Sacrament. Just went to our Chapel today. This is really problematic.

I believe in the Perpetual Virginity and Assumption of Mary. Also, problematic.

I have no objection to asking the Saints for Prayers, especially the Blessed Virgin Mary. That is* really* problematic.

Basically, there are some Anglicans with strong Protestant leanings who think Anglo Catholics in the Anglican Communion are too Catholic.

I love ya quano, but I’m afraid I can’t live up to your opinion of my “learning.”

I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place: I’m not Catholic enough here on CAF ; and I’m too Catholic for this particular Anglican Forum (not all Anglican forums are like that.)

Peace and blessings,
Anna

[SIGN]Warning! This Anglican is too Catholic![/SIGN]

Don’t worry about it.

GKC

 

[Anna_Scott]

Don’t worry about it.

GKC

GKC,

I love your wisdom and your brevity (in the best sense of the word.)

Anna

 

[GKC]

GKC,

I love your wisdom and your brevity (in the best sense of the word.)

Anna

You can’t make everyone happy. It may be as Chesterton said, if some think a person too tall, some too short some say too fat, some too thin, some too fair, some too dark, he may, in fact, be the right shape.

GKC

 

[Anna_Scott]

You can’t make everyone happy. It may be as Chesterton said, if some think a person too tall, some too short some say too fat, some too thin, some too fair, some too dark, he may, in fact, be the right shape.

GKC