Not enough non catholic here

[guanophore]

I have no objections to Transubstantiation, but simply yield to the Mystery of the Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist. Not having an objection to Transubstantiation is a problem in discussions with some Anglicans with more Protestant leanings.

I don’t have any personal experience with Anglicanism, but from my reading of history, it sounded like the original Anglicans remained quite Catholic in faith, and continue to think of themselves as Catholic. In fact, I have read here some Catholics attend an Anglican Mass and not realize it was “Protestant”. So at what point did the idea of transubstantiation become a problem, or was it from the beginning and I just missed that part?

Your attitude is the same as that of Eastern Christians, including CAtholics, most of whom feel that the Latins have a tendency to over think things. Eastern theologians tend to leave such matters in the form of “mysteries” and not try to explain them logically. That attitude very much appeals to me.

I like to go and pray in the presence of the Reserved Sacrament. Just went to our Chapel today. This is *really* problematic.

Help me understand this!? I am assuming that the Real Presence is believed, otherwise why would the Sacrament be reserved? If it is the Real Presence, why would being there to pray be problematic? Otherwise, what is the purpose of such a chapel?

I believe in the Perpetual Virginity and Assumption of Mary. Also, problematic.

This assumption makes the most sense, as it was a recently proclaimed dogma that the Easterns have same trouble with. But the perpetual - is that because it is not clear in the Bible? From my reading the original reformers all espoused this view. Was this not true of the original Anglicans as well? Is this an example of the congregation drifting away from Sacred Tradition?

I have no objection to asking the Saints for Prayers, especially the Blessed Virgin Mary. That is* really* problematic.

Is that because the notion of the communion of saints fell by the wayside? If so, what belief are they espousing when they say this part of the creed?

Basically, there are some Anglicans with strong Protestant leanings who think Anglo Catholics in the Anglican Communion are too Catholic.

Yes, I have heard this before too, and that the original reformers, in accepting the Sacred Traditions of which you write here, were still to “contaminated by the Catholic Church” and just failed to separate far enough from the unbiblical beliefs and practices.

I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place: I’m not Catholic enough here on CAF ; and I’m too Catholic for this particular Anglican Forum (not all Anglican forums are like that.)

Peace and blessings,
Anna

[SIGN]Warning! This Anglican is too Catholic![/SIGN]

Well, you are certainly welcome and appreciated here, though I know you have gotten your fair share of pressure about not crossing the Tiber.

 

[Christian_Unity]

I would suspect it is a “birds of a feather” thing. This is a Catholic forum, so it stands to reason it would be majority Catholic. Plus, I think there’s quite a few non-C’s here.

Oh, I wouldn’t say that.

Jon

As a Christian who participates on a Christian Fellowship Facebook consisitng of both Catholics and Protestants alike, I do find this site Catholic site to be very helpful. It is difficult for most to fellowship (forum and in-person) with other Christians from very different Christian circles. Quick question, do you participate on Protestant Forums too in addition to this one?

 

[Christian_Unity]

Is it just my imagination that there are very few non Catholics on this forum? I would have thought that this place would be full of non catholic Christians telling us where we have gone wrong. But no, there are very few.

My supposition is that Protestants (with a few exceptions) don’t hang around here because they cannot debate knowledgeable Catholics.

As a Christian who participates on a Christian Fellowship Facebook site consisitng of both Catholics and Protestants alike, I do find this Catholic site to be very helpful. It is difficult for most to fellowship (forum and in-person) with other Christians from very different Christian circles. Quick question, do you participate on Protestant Forums too in addition to this one?

 

[PRmerger]

Quick question, do you participate on Protestant Forums too in addition to this one?

I will answer for myself: no, I do not. CAFs is the only online religious forum that I participate in.

 

[Christian_Unity]

I will answer for myself: no, I do not. CAFs is the only online religious forum that I participate in.

How important is Christian unity to you with those outside the Catholic community? Doesn’t the Magestrium encourage discussion and dialogue with other Christian communities? Certainly if the Pope can reach out with a qualified ecumenical statement of “Luther was right by faith alone”, then it seems Catholics should reach out to separated Protestant brethrens.

 

[PRmerger]

How important is Christian unity to you with those outside the Catholic community?

Christian unity is, of course, of supreme importance to me.

Doesn’t the Magestrium encourage discussion and dialogue with other Christian communities?

Indeed, it does.

And I am impressed that you know this. You are more aware of Catholic teaching than some Catholics!

Certainly if the Pope can reach out with a qualified ecumenical statement of “Luther was right by faith alone”, then it seems Catholics should reach out to separated Protestant brethrens.

Indeed.

We are all called to evangelize and spread the gospel.

 

[onemangang]

I bet if someone were to do a study of those non-catholics that participate in CAF, one would find a few things!

1. Many of the non-catholics that stick around do so to grow in understanding of History, Biblical insight, have a desire for unification, or are looking to address issues in order to be received into full communion with the Church! These are your Eastern Orthodox, Anlicans, Episcopalions, Lutherans and any other that is close in thought and practice to the Catholic Church.
2. Many other non-catholics come here for different reasons ie: to “save” Catholics, to point out where Catholics are wrong in interpretation, to justify why they left the Catholic Church and now follow “the bible alone” These are your non-denominational groups :ie Evangelicals, Fundamentalist, “so called reformed Christians” some “Reformed baptist” and other anti-catholic groups, like the SDA…etc…etc!

In the fist grouping, much of the teaching of the ECF’s is compatible to their faith, and much of their thought and practices, can be viewed in antiquity! Their hang-ups are usually some of the things that are preceived as later developments :Assumption of Mary, Mary’s sinlessness, Purgatory, or even Satisfaction view of Atonement.

The second group is often in complete opposition to the ECF’s teachings and practice, and the more they look into Antiquity, the more the see that their “bible only” view is untenable. So they either Apostacize, Convert, or end up falling under an umbrella of group one.

So the lack of non-catholics is really a lack of anti-catholis. They often leave questioning the truth claims of their faith, get banned, or have now become Cathoilic, or part of group one!

The ones that often stick around are grounded in their faith, and can provide a reason for being apprehensive in crossing the tiber! It ends up being beneficial for them to better understand the Catholic position, and us Catholics in understanding their view!

The other group, probably ends up over at some atheistic site, or CARM!

Not sure how accurate this may be, it is merely an observation, but it would be interesting to see what happens statistically

 

[GKC]

I bet if someone were to do a study of those non-catholics that participate in CAF, one would find a few things!

1. Many of the non-catholics that stick around do so to grow in understanding of History, Biblical insight, have a desire for unification, or are looking to address issues in order to be received into full communion with the Church! These are your Eastern Orthodox, Anlicans, Episcopalions, Lutherans and any other that is close in thought and practice to the Catholic Church.
2. Many other non-catholics come here for different reasons ie: to “save” Catholics, to point out where Catholics are wrong in interpretation, to justify why they left the Catholic Church and now follow “the bible alone” These are your non-denominational groups :ie Evangelicals, Fundamentalist, “so called reformed Christians” some “Reformed baptist” and other anti-catholic groups, like the SDA…etc…etc!

In the fist grouping, much of the teaching of the ECF’s is compatible to their faith, and much of their thought and practices, can be viewed in antiquity! Their hang-ups are usually some of the things that are preceived as later developments :Assumption of Mary, Mary’s sinlessness, Purgatory, or even Satisfaction view of Atonement.

The second group is often in complete opposition to the ECF’s teachings and practice, and the more they look into Antiquity, the more the see that their “bible only” view is untenable. So they either Apostacize, Convert, or end up falling under an umbrella of group one.

So the lack of non-catholics is really a lack of anti-catholis. They often leave questioning the truth claims of their faith, get banned, or have now become Cathoilic, or part of group one!

The ones that often stick around are grounded in their faith, and can provide a reason for being apprehensive in crossing the tiber! It ends up being beneficial for them to better understand the Catholic position, and us Catholics in understanding their view!

The other group, probably ends up over at some atheistic site, or CARM!

Not sure how accurate this may be, it is merely an observation, but it would be interesting to see what happens statistically

Not sure how accurate the whole thing is, but it seems a well thought out guess.

I’m a long time Anglican poster, and my main reason for posting is not learning, but providing data on the zoo that Anglicanism is, on related history, and stuff like that. My own grounding in history, on relevant points, is fairly substantial. IMO.

GKC

 

[guanophore]

I’m a long time Anglican poster, and my main reason for posting is not learning, but providing data on the zoo that Anglicanism is, on related history, and stuff like that. My own grounding in history, on relevant points, is fairly substantial. IMO.

GKC

And in the opinon of your faithful readers.

 

[onemangang]

Not sure how accurate the whole thing is, but it seems a well thought out guess.

I’m a long time Anglican poster, and my main reason for posting is not learning, but providing data on the zoo that Anglicanism is, on related history, and stuff like that. My own grounding in history, on relevant points, is fairly substantial. IMO.

GKC

Exactly! Anglican falls under group one, where the ECF’s and antiquity is not an enemy of Anglicanism.

I should have added that many I labled under group one, post to dispel misconceptions about their faith as well. I notice JonNC’s post are usually in regards to clearifying Lutheranism, and dispelling misconceptions of Lutheranism!

 

[GKC]

Exactly! Anglican falls under group one, where the ECF’s and antiquity is not an enemy of Anglicanism.

I should have added that many I labled under group one, post to dispel misconceptions about their faith as well. I notice JonNC’s post are usually in regards to clearifying Lutheranism, and dispelling misconceptions of Lutheranism!

Jon’s a dab hand at that.

GKC

 

[GKC]

And in the opinon of your faithful readers.

My blushes.

GKC, trolling for compliments.

 

[Christian_Unity]

Christian unity is, of course, of supreme importance to me.

Indeed, it does.

And I am impressed that you know this. You are more aware of Catholic teaching than some Catholics!

Indeed.

We are all called to evangelize and spread the gospel.

Okay, I feel welcomed here and will hang out some .

 

[redle]

Hello all,

Just wanted to say Hello and let you know that if you want to bounce any questions past an active, teaching, preaching, JW minister then I’m happy to help.

I consider myself ‘Christian’ but am shocked at the difference in our terminologies.

Anyway, let’s see how things turn out!

Redle.

 

[Anna_Scott]

Hello all,

Just wanted to say Hello and let you know that if you want to bounce any questions past an active, teaching, preaching, JW minister then I’m happy to help.

I consider myself ‘Christian’ but am shocked at the difference in our terminologies.

Anyway, let’s see how things turn out!

Redle.

redle,

Welcome to CAF.

Likewise, those of us who are not JW would be happy to answer questions.

Peace and blessings,
Anna

 

[waterbrook]

Hello all,

Just wanted to say Hello and let you know that if you want to bounce any questions past an active, teaching, preaching, JW minister then I’m happy to help.

I consider myself ‘Christian’ but am shocked at the difference in our terminologies.

Anyway, let’s see how things turn out!

Redle.

Hi Redle and welcome! You say you are shocked by differences in terminology and I was wondering if you could give an example as I’m not sure what you mean (not knowing much about JWs).
Thank you.

 

[redle]

Thanks for the welcome!

Just reading this thread I see phrases unfamiliar to me:
Sacred Traditions
Communion of Saints
Sacraments
Eucharist
Real Presence
Communion

I have much to learn here.

Redle.

 

[JonNC]

Jon’s a dab hand at that.

GKC

shaw:

Jon

 

[PRmerger]

Okay, I feel welcomed here and will hang out some .

 

[PRmerger]

Hello all,

Hiya, redle!

Welcome!

Just wanted to say Hello and let you know that if you want to bounce any questions past an active, teaching, preaching, JW minister then I’m happy to help.

I consider myself ‘Christian’ but am shocked at the difference in our terminologies.

Anyway, let’s see how things turn out!

Redle.

I do indeed have a question for you: how is it that JWs accept the canon of Scripture without accepting the authority of something outside of Scripture (namely, the Catholic Church)?