"Not interested" (dating communications)

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@Kathryn Ann: Thank you for your kind words. :tiphat: I am grateful for the effort and thoughtfulness which you put in your reply. They say that one word is often enough but as far as I go, few things are nicer to receive than a couple of solid paragraphs of well-written text. I agree on the failure of normal communication in these recent years. I tend to stick with old forms for this reason, even though I like the new forms too (this is similar to being a conservative hooked on technology, in a way). A curious thing that I see in e-mails, messages and such like, however, is the similarity to old-fashioned letter writing. 😉 I’m pretty sure I’d be more at ease with this if I had had more of traditional letter writing back at school. Actually, having to exchange business correspondence with clients and agencies is helping me in this regard.
As to your question: I wonder if the reason for the lack of interest in the presumed young lady involves her online photograph, her list of "likes and dislikes, or both? Either way, please allow yourself some fresh air, some real- time introductions the old -fashioned way: church events, volunteering, (whereby you might meet an aging aunt of a nice young lady) or just let time take it’s course. Enlarging a circle of friends may lead to other introductions far more satisfying that anything found “online.”
To be honest, it is most noticeably a lack of interest that results from the photographs. Perhaps using a different style of hair, dress, different facial expression, the same person could appeal to me (this is actually likely) but not the way it is. It’s just not my type, as in not merely insufficiently attractive to me visually but the style is not my type, puts me off aesthetically, which I feel very strongly about (while not actually being “ugly” and objectively prettier than some of the women I’ve been attracted to, it’s just not for me and I could probably specify some concrete reasons if I really had to). That, plus I don’t feel much in common, the textual content of the profile doesn’t attract me and there’s that contraception disagreement.

On the other hand, the second hypothetical, where I was tentatively interested but mostly in getting to know the lady a bit better without an appearance of commitment, is basically a case of insufficient cause for a positive decision (yet or at all). As in, for example, a pretty girl, but there are many pretty girls. A decent one, but she isn’t the only one who’s decent. Somewhat interesting personality but there are many different interesting personalities. There is a weak to moderate positive response, and lack of a red flag (hence no conflict, just the “insufficient cause”), but no compelling reason to act. Mostly just nothing to individuate the person and make her subjectively appealing to me with enough compelling force to get me to make a move on her (forsaking all others for the time being). In such a case, if it were somebody local, I could probably just go from a greeting through a compliment/opener to an invitation to meet up (with a degree of conviction corresponding to how strongly I feet about it, not a tad bit more but generally no less either).
As for me, I also have a profile somewhere on the internet… but as I see it, internet dating must never take the place of going out and meeting people in real life as a first method, unless you live in the middle of nowhere (eg. on an oil platform ).
besides… I think most women and men prefer to meet their coming spouse riding through the woods on a horse instead of surfing the internet.
Court corridors are fine too. It’s not like I didn’t look around when I still went. 😉 At any rate, I believe that meeting “accidentally” is better, at least for me. I prefer to come across that right lady in the course of life rather than looking up online, and especially making a criteria-based decision out of a finite pool. Actually, the idea of making a criteria-based decision out of a pool scares me. It’s more than stage fear, it’s just scary on a different level. Every now and then I come up with a woman that nobody else would apparently call his type and that everybody agrees seems to be from the same planet that I am. This, however, never works out in the end. I suspect myself of tribal mentality. “Connection” is not a great way to describe it but better than nothing. This doesn’t normally show when I just browse profiles (although it can show during e-mail or similar correspondence), although certain facial expressions, gestures, choices of scenery, choices of appearance (style) etc. seem to connect better with me than others, and certainly so does writing style (even more noticeably perhaps). But never or almost never to the degree that I just have to write. In every single case or almost every one, I would probably forget about the profile within 1-3 days if I didn’t write. Those profiles just all fail the “sufficent cause” test.

On the other hand, I realise how mistaken impressions can be and that we’re talking about a very intuitive and subjective (and downright moody) area, and that fireworks are less likely in a sober exchange (e.g. matter of fact, sober profile, myself reading it in a sober mood etc., not to mention that I’m not after fireworks but after connection, hence I don’t mind meeting up for a coffee and conversation without pressure. Especially if this is someone whom I’d actually like to get to know as a friend and stay in touch with.
 
Chev - what you have taught me is that lawyers should only date lawyers. 😃

That being said - just be straight forward. Nice but straightforward. There shouldn’t be feelings expended at that point to be hurt.
 
(Originally Posted By Chevalier) @Kathryn Ann: Thank you for your kind words. I am grateful for the effort and thoughtfulness which you put in your reply. They say that one word is often enough but as far as I go, few things are nicer to receive than a couple of solid paragraphs of well-written text. I agree on the failure of normal communication in these recent years. I tend to stick with old forms for this reason, even though I like the new forms too (this is similar to being a conservative hooked on technology, in a way). A curious thing that I see in e-mails, messages and such like, however, is the similarity to old-fashioned letter writing. I’m pretty sure I’d be more at ease with this if I had had more of traditional letter writing back at school. Actually, having to exchange business correspondence with clients and agencies is helping me in this regard.

Dear Chevalier, you are most welcome. Yes, emails can mirror old fashioned letter writing, and indeed should! Good for you, for not splicing words into little pieces until their meaning is barely recognizable!

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As to your question: I wonder if the reason for the lack of interest in the presumed young lady involves her online photograph, her list of "likes and dislikes, or both? Either way, please allow yourself some fresh air, some real- time introductions the old -fashioned way: church events, volunteering, (whereby you might meet an aging aunt of a nice young lady) or just let time take it’s course. Enlarging a circle of friends may lead to other introductions far more satisfying that anything found “online.”

(Quoting Chevalier) To be honest, it is most noticeably a lack of interest that results from the photographs. Perhaps using a different style of hair, dress, different facial expression, the same person could appeal to me (this is actually likely) but not the way it is. It’s just not my type, as in not merely insufficiently attractive to me visually but the style is not my type, puts me off aesthetically, which I feel very strongly about (while not actually being “ugly” and objectively prettier than some of the women I’ve been attracted to, it’s just not for me and I could probably specify some concrete reasons if I really had to). That, plus I don’t feel much in common, the textual content of the profile doesn’t attract me and there’s that contraception disagreement.

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I was just thinking of the online Catholic dating places (perhaps you are visiting those or not) but I wonder if the idea of real, person- to- person young adult/single Catholic events at the local parish aren’t still the best way to find already like-minded people. Of course, today’s American Catholics don’t always agree on everything, but it’s a start. As for photographs and visuals, well, we’re like that in real life too. Some people are immediately attracted to someone’s style. A young lady putting forth a photo of herself in heavy makeup or unusual clothing, for example, is sending a message. She may be a delightful person, but why did she choose to portray herself in that way? I sometimes think the quiet, reserved young ladies go un-noticed. The ones at the library, the ones doing errands for elderly relatives or volunteering at the local church. Life challenges us with finding the right person among so many. I do wish you every best experience in your quest. There is nothing wrong with having standards, and it’s refreshing to see that people care about important topics. Perhaps my generation is very different. We often met in groups to discuss things with great enthusiasm and in this way, we came to know people’s political and religious views. We probably didn’t tread as carefully as we should have, but then, there was still a draft and friends were being sent off to war. My best advice to anyone looking for a soulmate (or a pleasant date) is to try going out in groups for a pleasant day, and somehow I believe that one day, that special someone will catch your eye, and your heart. Best Wishes!
 
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👍 What a good post.
You are definately right… I think many of us on CAF (and don’t you deny it guys, I see you all on here as often as I am here, which is also too often) are letting cyper space become too much a comfortable way of life… its a very boring tendency indeed.

As for me, I also have a profile somewhere on the internet… but as I see it, internet dating must never take the place of going out and meeting people in real life as a first method, unless you live in the middle of nowhere (eg. on an oil platform ).
besides… I think most women and men prefer to meet their coming spouse riding through the woods on a horse instead of surfing the internet.
Thank you kindly! Oh, yes, bring back the woods and knights on horses! Few of us live on oil rigs, so most singles can enjoy the out of doors way of socializing!
 
I was just thinking of the online Catholic dating places (perhaps you are visiting those or not) but I wonder if the idea of real, person- to- person young adult/single Catholic events at the local parish aren’t still the best way to find already like-minded people. Of course, today’s American Catholics don’t always agree on everything, but it’s a start. As for photographs and visuals, well, we’re like that in real life too. Some people are immediately attracted to someone’s style. A young lady putting forth a photo of herself in heavy makeup or unusual clothing, for example, is sending a message. She may be a delightful person, but why did she choose to portray herself in that way?
You wouln’t believe the amount of information that hits me on the basis of a single photo. I actually need to make a conscious effort to weed out those associations which are too remote and flimsy. In your example, I would infer that the lady in question chose to show a specific side of herself, as well as wished to convey some kind of flamboyance, exoticity, an imagination that is not confined to what she has around herself but reaches farther away. Or, if nothing particularly exotic, but just dressed up, made up and in a good light, then I’d guess she wanted to make a good impression, which is understandable and subjectively positive to me (although a profile with only a passport type photo would discourage me from writing).

As far as agreeing and disagreeing goes, that’s hard to say. On the one hand, I remember where I was some 10 years ago, but I also remember that change is not guaranteed and you can’t just enter into a relationship with a presumption that the other person will change. Hence I’m very reluctant when it comes to somewhat disagreeing persons on Catholic or sort-of-Catholic dating websites, although real life, where I saw a whole persion, in a more realistic dimension, things could be different. But those profiles are a bit of a joke when it comes to communicating personhood. So yeah, life > websites, basically.

Look where we’ve arrived while I was justing looking for a way to avoid telling a girl she wasn’t my type.
 
IT depends - its that hypothetical question?
“It depends” is the lawyerly answer. Made me recall that professor I once had, who made jokes about it all the time. 😉 In reality, I suppose I agree with your original statement to a large extent. It certainly is easier for two lawyers to communicate, same as medical doctors or army people, I guess. With me, it would take a lawyer that 1) has brains, 2) has proper ethics, which are not what every lawyer has. As in all of them are smart to an extent and have at least some ethics, but when you talk to a lawyer who doesn’t get a basic theoretical foundation or doesn’t mind cheating in the tax form, then that’s hugely disturbing. But yeah, sticking with lawyers is something I have contemplated. For the record, I’m still recovering from a lawyer turned PR wizard I met (a couple of times) 2 years ago but I’ve also known lawyers who wouldn’t play silly games.
 
“It depends” is the lawyerly answer. Made me recall that professor I once had, who made jokes about it all the time. 😉 In reality, I suppose I agree with your original statement to a large extent. It certainly is easier for two lawyers to communicate, same as medical doctors or army people, I guess. With me, it would take a lawyer that 1) has brains, 2) has proper ethics, which are not what every lawyer has. As in all of them are smart to an extent and have at least some ethics, but when you talk to a lawyer who doesn’t get a basic theoretical foundation or doesn’t mind cheating in the tax form, then that’s hugely disturbing. But yeah, sticking with lawyers is something I have contemplated. For the record, I’m still recovering from a lawyer turned PR wizard I met (a couple of times) 2 years ago but I’ve also known lawyers who wouldn’t play silly games.
Oh wow - accused of having lawyerly language - maybe I did spend too much time on my divorce…:eek:
 
What a crack up. I was just thinking to myself that a simple head and shoulders shot with a big smile was what I ought to post, and then you say a passport style photo is a turnoff! Such a minefield, this internet dating!

Seriously, though you have already replied to the young lady in question, for myself I prefer a straight answer. I was just recently turned down for a role where the director was 100% positive and specified the day for the callback so I could adjust my schedule, etc. And then the next day I get a phonecall telling me she changed her mind. No other info. Nothing useful or helpful. I wouldn’t go back if invited, because if someone is that ambivalent about me, that in itself is a red flag (and I would say so if another call came) but it would be helpful to me personally and professionally to know if I goofed something up, yk?

Though if some guy on a dating website told me my happy head smiling head and shoulders photo was the issue, I would write him off as shallow. Which is Chevalier’s case would not be true, but how would I know?
 
What a crack up. I was just thinking to myself that a simple head and shoulders shot with a big smile was what I ought to post, and then you say a passport style photo is a turnoff! Such a minefield, this internet dating!
I really just meant that an actual passport photo wasn’t ideal. 😉
Seriously, though you have already replied to the young lady in question, for myself I prefer a straight answer. I was just recently turned down for a role where the director was 100% positive and specified the day for the callback so I could adjust my schedule, etc. And then the next day I get a phonecall telling me she changed her mind. No other info. Nothing useful or helpful. I wouldn’t go back if invited, because if someone is that ambivalent about me, that in itself is a red flag (and I would say so if another call came) but it would be helpful to me personally and professionally to know if I goofed something up, yk?
Sounds unprofessional to me, although silence and non-information seems to be becoming the new professional norm. Possibly because it’s easier to ban talking or at most issue a generic press release (and then ban talking) than to say anything of substance.
Though if some guy on a dating website told me my happy head smiling head and shoulders photo was the issue, I would write him off as shallow. Which is Chevalier’s case would not be true, but how would I know?
You’re giving me too much credit but thank you. :tiphat: If the only picture of a profile were an actual passport photo (there’s a difference between a head and shoulders shot and a passport photo by the regs and you can’t smile in a real passport photo, it’s really similar to a police mugshot!), then I’d wonder why that was the case (no pictures other than the one used in driving licence?). Absence of other photos, absence of smiling, poor quality/small/low resolution picture, these would be my worries too. On the other hand, a smiling head & shoulders shot could make a big positive impression. Just for clarity. 😉
 
Well, thank you for the clarification 🙂 For the record, I just got a new driver’s license photo, and they not only told me to smile (!!) but complimented me on how it came out. So if I ever sign up online, maybe I’ll use it 😉

My passport photo, however, is hideous almost beyond belief. At least I can accurately say it doesn’t look like me!
 
I think personally that purplesunshine who used to be on here gave the best advise. Have one good head and shoulders kind of professional shot - and then some family/friend type actions shots to show you are a real person.

I will not be including my passport photo - it didn’t come out so well. My hair was a big frizzball on my license. But my parish directory photo 😉
 
Well, thank you for the clarification 🙂 For the record, I just got a new driver’s license photo, and they not only told me to smile (!!) but complimented me on how it came out. So if I ever sign up online, maybe I’ll use it 😉
Well, things are different in everybody’s respective part of the woods! 😉
My passport photo, however, is hideous almost beyond belief. At least I can accurately say it doesn’t look like me!
That’s normal with passport photos and that’s a large part of the problem. In mine, I look like a psychopath and likely suspect. Perhaps because of the biometric standard that makes everybody look like a potential criminal. 😉 Anyway, my point is somewhere along the lines of various questions that arise when you see unclear pictures (and no clear ones), old pictures (and no current ones), it’s kinda the same when you see no normal picture but only a biometric/ID-style picture. Not in all cases even, but in some, maybe most. I’m not pretending to be perfectly clear or consistent on this one. I was talking about an intuitive impression and probably should’ve curbed my inclination to digress from the subject. 😉
I think personally that purplesunshine who used to be on here gave the best advise. Have one good head and shoulders kind of professional shot - and then some family/friend type actions shots to show you are a real person.

I will not be including my passport photo - it didn’t come out so well. My hair was a big frizzball on my license. But my parish directory photo 😉
Yeah, and just having a clearly business photo and no other photos – that could probably make some people (subconsciously) think that for the owner of the profile work is everything. But this is all speculation, very intuitive and far off. It’s just that people have various such gut feelings. I probably shouldn’t have mentioned it.

I guess we can lay the subject to rest. 😉 Thanks for the responses, everyone. It seems to me that from the female perspective polite directness is the preferred solution when being told about non-interest, after all.
 
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