Not merely dissidents, "We Are Church" is now a Protestant movement!

[Catholic29]

ABANDON EUCHARISTIC DOCTRINE, DISSIDENTS URGE SYNOD

Oct. 04 (CWNews.com) - The international dissident movement “We Are Church” is issuing an appeal to the Catholic bishops, gathered in Rome for the Synod, to confront the “real” problems relating to the Eucharist. At an October 4 press conference in Rome, the dissident group called for reconsideration of the key Catholic doctrine on the transubstantiation, an end to the “hierarchical monopoly” on the sacraments, and approval of shared communion with other Christian denominations.

Three leaders of the international movement-- Martha Heizer of Austria, Gigi De Paoli of Italy, and Norbert Scholl of Germany-- said that the Synod was likely to prove a “missed opportunity” because the bishops begin their deliberations on the basis of a working document that affirms Catholic dogmatic teachings on the Eucharist. We Are Church argued that all such teachings should be open to question.

Specifically, the dissident group called for abandoning the notion that the Eucharist is a sacrifice, and instead saying that the mass is “in memory of the entire life of Jesus.” The group called for “full freedom of philosophical and theological interpretation of that mystery.” We Are Church argued that the dogma of the transubstantiation-- the teaching that the bread and wine at Mass are transformed into the Body and Blood of Christ-- is unacceptable to Protestants, and thus impedes ecumenical unity. The group decried traditional forms of Catholic piety, such as Eucharistic adoration and processions, as tending to make an “idol” of the Blessed Sacrament.
Source: ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=61097

 

[Siena]

It’s official.

 

[Evangel]

Catholic29:

We Are Church organized a 4-day “counter-synod” in Rome…which drew about 30 participants

We Are Church emerged as an international movement the following year, with liberal Catholics from 20 different countries

Hmmm. That’s about 1.5 liberals per country. If only it were so.

 

[Valz]

We Are Church argued that all such teachings should be open to question.

And who asked for their opinion?

Are people really so clueless? Weren’t they “Catholics”? They should know what a dogma is at least.

Gosh what one hears these days…

 

[dennisknapp]

ABANDON EUCHARISTIC DOCTRINE, DISSIDENTS URGE SYNOD

We Are Church, founded in Austria in 1995, emerged as an international movement the following year, with liberal Catholics from 20 different countries meeting in Rome to form a united front for** “the reform of the Catholic Church on the basis of Vatican II.”**

Source: ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=61097

It should read, “the reform of the Catholic Church on the basis of [butchering] Vatican II.”

Thia makes me want to loose my lunch.

Peace

 

[rwoehmke]

Maybe Jesus should have said,“You will always have crackpots among you” instead of the poor. Someone should lock them up before they hurt themselves with something sharp.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

ABANDON EUCHARISTIC DOCTRINE, DISSIDENTS URGE SYNOD

Oct. 04 (CWNews.com) - The international dissident movement “We Are Church” is issuing an appeal to the Catholic bishops, gathered in Rome for the Synod, to confront the “real” problems relating to the Eucharist. At an October 4 press conference in Rome, the dissident group called for reconsideration of the key Catholic doctrine on the transubstantiation, an end to the “hierarchical monopoly” on the sacraments, and approval of shared communion with other Christian denominations.

Three leaders of the international movement-- Martha Heizer of Austria, Gigi De Paoli of Italy, and Norbert Scholl of Germany-- said that the Synod was likely to prove a “missed opportunity” because the bishops begin their deliberations on the basis of a working document that affirms Catholic dogmatic teachings on the Eucharist. We Are Church argued that all such teachings should be open to question.

Specifically, the dissident group called for abandoning the notion that the Eucharist is a sacrifice, and instead saying that the mass is “in memory of the entire life of Jesus.” The group called for “full freedom of philosophical and theological interpretation of that mystery.” We Are Church argued that the dogma of the transubstantiation-- the teaching that the bread and wine at Mass are transformed into the Body and Blood of Christ-- is unacceptable to Protestants, and thus impedes ecumenical unity. The group decried traditional forms of Catholic piety, such as Eucharistic adoration and processions, as tending to make an “idol” of the Blessed Sacrament.
Source: ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=61097

There are some valid ideas among their suggestions - unfortunately, these are likely to be thrown out along with evertything else they say that is not considered to be acceptable. Which will only lead to further polarisation between them, and other Catholics

 

[contemplative]

I am living among this right here - right now folks!

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Diocesan Ministerium - a new term in your diocese???

These dissidents are doing whatever they want to do here. The movement for change has been calculated and measured over the past 20 + years. There are other people like me but we are bound and pushed aside. I am very thankful for CA Forums or I would feel that I lost my marbles.

Whatever the problem is…‘it’ is breathing down the neck of the Diocese of Rochester.

It is not just “We are the Church” it is also “VOTF”.

Contemplative

 

[EDB]

ABANDON EUCHARISTIC DOCTRINE, DISSIDENTS URGE SYNOD

Oct. 04 (CWNews.com) - The international dissident movement “We Are Church” is issuing an appeal to the Catholic bishops, gathered in Rome for the Synod, to confront the “real” problems relating to the Eucharist. At an October 4 press conference in Rome, the dissident group called for reconsideration of the key Catholic doctrine on the transubstantiation, an end to the “hierarchical monopoly” on the sacraments, and approval of shared communion with other Christian denominations.

Three leaders of the international movement-- Martha Heizer of Austria, Gigi De Paoli of Italy, and Norbert Scholl of Germany-- said that the Synod was likely to prove a “missed opportunity” because the bishops begin their deliberations on the basis of a working document that affirms Catholic dogmatic teachings on the Eucharist. We Are Church argued that all such teachings should be open to question.

Specifically, the dissident group called for abandoning the notion that the Eucharist is a sacrifice, and instead saying that the mass is “in memory of the entire life of Jesus.” The group called for “full freedom of philosophical and theological interpretation of that mystery.” We Are Church argued that the dogma of the transubstantiation-- the teaching that the bread and wine at Mass are transformed into the Body and Blood of Christ-- is unacceptable to Protestants, and thus impedes ecumenical unity. The group decried traditional forms of Catholic piety, such as Eucharistic adoration and processions, as tending to make an “idol” of the Blessed Sacrament.
Source: ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=61097

So instead of continuing to teach our separated brethren the truth we should just throw up our hands and join with them?
Since this group is basically calling for the Catholic Church to give up teaching the truth of the Gospel I guess their motto is: “If you can’t beat 'em, join 'em”
Since they do not believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church, why are they still members of this Church. We must all change our beliefs to make a small, dissident group feel better? No thanks.

 

[KathleenElsie]

EDB:

So instead of continuing to teach our separated brethren the truth we should just throw up our hands and join with them?
Since this group is basically calling for the Catholic Church to give up teaching the truth of the Gospel I guess their motto is: “If you can’t beat 'em, join 'em”
Since they do not believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church, why are they still members of this Church. We must all change our beliefs to make a small, dissident group feel better? No thanks.

Our PAPA will keep them under control. Headstrong and defiant children can be a real pain and need a firm hand.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Gottle of Geer:

There are some valid ideas among their suggestions - unfortunately, these are likely to be thrown out along with evertything else they say that is not considered to be acceptable. Which will only lead to further polarisation between them, and other Catholics

Gottle, which of their ideas are ‘valid’?

 

[mpav]

“…transubstantiation-- the teaching that the bread and wine at Mass are transformed into the Body and Blood of Christ-- is unacceptable to Protestants, and thus impedes ecumenical unity”

Conversely, the refusal of Protestants to accept Transubstantiation is unacceptable to Catholics and thus impedes unity.

I’ll stay Catholic, let them go worship with the Protestants. Why must they try to drag the Church over to their point of view? Bah!

 

[bones_IV]

dennisknapp:

It should read, “the reform of the Catholic Church on the basis of [butchering] Vatican II.”

Thia makes me want to loose my lunch.

Peace

I agree. Seems to me that the “reform of the Catholic Church on the basis of [butchering] Vatican II” started a long time ago. Long before Vatican II.

 

[Bill4Time]

I think the problem with We Are Church is that they are looking for an easier way to salvation, just as many Protestants do. They belong together. They Aren’t Church!

 

[Zoomie]

I am probably talking out of turn and ignorance for that matter so please if what I write proves my ignorance be charitable and chalk it up to my Protestant upbringing. I realize that the concept of transubstantiation is at least for some very important. The Roman Church felt compelled to explain how wine and bread became the body and blood of the risen Lord and settled upon an Aristotelean philosophy as its explaination. That explaination may be dead on right. The fact is I don’t know how God worked that out. I believe He made it work His way because it served His purposes. I can accept that the wine and bread are converted in some way to the actual factual body and blood of Christ simply because at the last supper Jesus Christ said they were. As to how its done well cant we simply say that’s God’s problem and we’ll let Him work it out and if He thinks its that imporatant for us to know how its done He will come right out and tell us how its done. The real question should be WHY instead of HOW.

As for other Dogma of the Catholic Church or for that matter any church when you go messing around with those characteristics that are part of who and what you are you eventually fundamentally and maybe irrevocably change who and what you are for something else. That’s not a real problem so long as what you change to is closer to God but if you don’t know for certain that that will be the outcome maybe its better to leave well enough alone until a clearer impression develops. In the end on Transfiguration Day I suspect that denomination won’t really matter. What will matter I think will boil down to is your faith and grace and the surrender of your will for the will of God.

Peace be with us all,

 

[ChrisR246]

Zoomie:

The real question should be WHY instead of HOW.

When dealing with Protestants and Ecumenism, the question around the Eucharist is not a matter, for the most part, of “How does it happen?” but rather, “Does it Happen?” The Catholic answer is Yes, the Protestant answer, for the most part is No. We Are Church would have us change our answer to “It doesn’t matter, let’s all be friends.”