Not sure what to believe

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It seems to me that your dilemma would be better handled by you going to the nearest Catholic Rectory tomorrow, and asking to see a priest. Discuss your problem with him, and honestly tell him how you feel. You will be amazed as to how concerned he will be with your problem. I assure you that you will feel enormously better afterwards, expecially if you can get the priest to hear your confession during your meeting.
This will help you far better than by seeking help on the internet. As well meaning as your respondants are, they are no substitute for a priest in matters of the soul.
 
Don’t leave. 😦

Ignore your so-called friends who are telling you to leave and go talk to a priest about this.
 
He has led me so far beyond the traditions of the catholic church and it is so awesome. I know the His Spirit in is in me-- It’s the only way I can explain the love I now have for others-- the pure joy of reading His word and the humbling experience of worshipping and knowing our Loving Savior Jesus Christ.
Really?

I felt the same way when I came back to the Catholic Church. And I feel the same about what you said. I get a lot of joy from reading the Bible, and I feel much more humbled worshiping at mass than at the Evangelical Protestant services I had attended during my time away.
 
Also, to the OP:

If everyone who had some doubts on Church teaching left, there would be many that would leave. Doubts are no reason to leave, even some things which are serious doubts. The point is to trust the Church and to trust that God is protecting His Church.
 
Methinks we be talking to the wind until we are informed of what the actual conflict is…:cool:

One should not delude onself that they are following the Faith if they are indeed in serious violation fo the Faith. Am I wrong here?🤷
 
This is my first post, so I hope it’s OK to ask such a serious question. I’ve been feeling terribly torn and not knowing what to do for months now. This past election has almost destroyed my faith in just about everything. I feel confused, empty, and I don’t know what to do.

Please just tell me if it’s true that if I don’t hold with 100% of the teachings of the Catholic Church, that I then am not really Catholic and that I should just leave the Church. I read the Pope’s words that seemed pretty much to this effect back in the summer. During the whole election season, which seemed to last an eternity, I also had friends that told me the same thing: if you don’t believe it all, then leave.

Should I leave? I don’t know where else to go. I’m heartbroken and lost.
I don’t think a Catholic should ever leave the Church, but rejecting infallible Church teaching can put a person in a state of mortal sin that would make them unworthy of recieving the Holy Eucharist and, even more seriously, put their soul in the very real danger of falling into hell.

Without more information about your particular struggle I cannot provide much guidance, but I do know that a common issue in the past election was Catholics casting votes for candidates who endorsed intrinsic evils such as abortion, gay marriage and contraception. The Church has made infallible declaration on the wrongness of issues such as abortion and gay marriage and for a Catholic to, in any way, support such policies would put their soul in a state of mortal sin (assuming that full knowledge and consent is present). If a Catholic has supported such political agendas, then he/she must repent and get to confession as soon as possible (the grace of conversion and true contrition necessary for repenting comes from God and praying for this is absolutey key).

In short, being inside or outside of the Church isn’t really the main issue here… the much bigger problem is whether your soul is in a state that will lead you to heaven or to eternal punishment in hell. Afterall, why be in the Catholic Church at all if not to get to heaven?

God bless.
 
Methinks we be talking to the wind until we are informed of what the actual conflict is…:cool:

One should not delude onself that they are following the Faith if they are indeed in serious violation fo the Faith. Am I wrong here?🤷
You are right. Perhaps the OP had her conscience pierced by other people’s frustrated and uncharitable words…and it would benefit her to do some real soul-searching. Unfortunately, not ALL priests can be trusted to straighten these situations out. Her chances are much better if she is honest with the priest and tells him exactly what she disagrees with the Church about. But it might be uncomfortable to do so.
 
Since you clearly have experienced the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, I have to wonder what differences of opinion you have that would even cause you to consider “church shopping”. Are you certain that the teachings you have issues with are actual teachings of the Church, and not a popular form of implimentating them into daily life? I guess what I mean is, do you disagree with an actual teaching such as that abortion is murder or do you disagree with the idea that because of this, you can’t vote for the candidate of your choice? There is an important difference between those situations. At any rate, I think you should study the issues you are having difficulty with and learn why the Church teaches what she does. After that, all you can do is pray for wisdom and understanding and trust the Church that Christ established to guide His children. I certainly don’t think you should go to any other Church.
Now that I think about it, my main issue is not with the Church itself, though there are a few teachings that I don’t fully understand and I’m not sure I ever will. I agree with all teachings on natural law, so that pretty much encompasses just about all the things that the Church teaches.

My issue is with Catholics who come right out and tell me I’m not Catholic, and that I should leave the Church because I preferred the president over the republican candidate, and that was only because I felt the rep. cared nothing for the poor, immigrants, and people who needed healthcare. Or that the VP is not Catholic, and that he should leave the Church. It’s distressing to hear these things day in and day out, in one form or another, by other Catholics who seem to want a much smaller Church, and have absolutely no one question anything at all. I think questions are normal, but the people I come in contact with don’t seem to want them in any form.

Also, I don’t understand the Pope’s speech this past summer that said that people who don’t believe should leave the Church, rather than stay and be another Judas. That disturbed me a lot. OOPS, EDITED TO SAY I JUST SAW THE EXPLANATION OF THIS ONE, THANK YOU!!

Thanks for the feedback, everyone!
 
LOL, I’ve had some coffee, so I’m more able to speak coherently.

My other issues I have are about how completely politicized the Church has become in the last few years. I’ve never before encountered priests reading letters from bishops about who we should vote for, and telling parishioners that their souls are in danger if they vote the wrong way. I also don’t ever remember the bishops ever suing anyone over anything before. I feel like all this has made a huge wedge in parishioners, and now they are openly against other parishioners that feel differently. At least that’s what’s happened here in my area.

So my issues are not with Catholic teachings at all, but how the Church is now seemingly in the political ring.
 
I’ve never before encountered priests reading letters from bishops about who we should vote for,
To be fair, mlamg, did you *really *hear a priest or bishop tell you who to vote for? Or did the priest/bishop offer guidelines for making your decision?

For I am quite skeptical that any priest/bishop would mention a politician’s name and tell his flock “You should vote for him/her!” or “You should not vote for him/her!” :nope:
and telling parishioners that their souls are in danger if they vote the wrong way.
What about that troubles you? Do you think that this is not possible?
 
LOL, I’ve had some coffee, so I’m more able to speak coherently.

My other issues I have are about how completely politicized the Church has become in the last few years. I’ve never before encountered priests reading letters from bishops about who we should vote for, and telling parishioners that their souls are in danger if they vote the wrong way. I also don’t ever remember the bishops ever suing anyone over anything before. I feel like all this has made a huge wedge in parishioners, and now they are openly against other parishioners that feel differently. At least that’s what’s happened here in my area.

So my issues are not with Catholic teachings at all, but how the Church is now seemingly in the political ring.
You don’t remember these things happening before…

Don’t you think that this fact should give you some indication as to the seriousness of these things? Please consider carefully WHY you see these things happening…

I can assure you that The Church would love nothing more than to just tend to her pastoral duties without needing to worry about what is happening in the political realm.
For most of US history this was the case…but today…with abortion being legal and with the HHS mandates (bypassing the congress) threatening our religious liberty…The Bishops have been pushed into taking these actions. Actions which cost money that they would much rather spend on other things like helping the poor…

Peace
James
 
Thank you for the replies, everyone! I can’t imagine being anywhere else. I guess I just need to keep more private in my spiritual life.

Then my question is, when others speak uncharitably about myself or others, should I ignore it or confront it? Is it just none of my business? I need to figure out a way of not getting upset, as I continue to hear these negative things about others, which IMHO should not be gossiped about in the house of Christ. 😦
If people are gossiping to you about others, walk away. Politely but firmly make an excuse and walk away. Gossip is part of causing scandal and it’s a terrible sin. Listening is just assisting people in sinning.

But the fact is: a whole bunch of people are mean, judgmental, gossipy old biddies and don’t ever consider the harm they cause.

Do what your conscience tells you and then accept their criticisms as a cross and give it to Jesus. Ignore, hold head high, pray for them.

Also, quit hanging around them and maybe use that time to volunteer someplace. Or take a macrame class.
 
LOL, I’ve had some coffee, so I’m more able to speak coherently.

My other issues I have are about how completely politicized the Church has become in the last few years. I’ve never before encountered priests reading letters from bishops about who we should vote for, and telling parishioners that their souls are in danger if they vote the wrong way. I also don’t ever remember the bishops ever suing anyone over anything before. I feel like all this has made a huge wedge in parishioners, and now they are openly against other parishioners that feel differently. At least that’s what’s happened here in my area.

So my issues are not with Catholic teachings at all, but how the Church is now seemingly in the political ring.
I agree, and believe it’s a big error.

I have a relative who works in the administration of Planned Parenthood. (Not a Catholic person.) Anyway, she often processes donations and said she got a smallish check from someone who included a note that said they were Catholic and usually gave that money to their parish but since they were “preaching politics from the pulpit,” she was sending to it to Planned Parenthood. Now, that’s not the result anyone in the Church wanted.

Catholics voted for Obama in droves and support a rather large number of social programs to assist the needy.

Just keep in mind that pendulums swing and this one will swing back again. It’s just history in the making. Ignore and pray and go about your business.
 
Thank you for this whole post! 🙂
I’m really glad you found it helpful!

I’m going to say some stuff to hope it can help you understand the Bishops. Having said that, you indicate that you believe Church teachings, so there is certainly no reason for you to leave the Church!

Regarding the other issues, not trying to sway you on your vote, but hoping to help you understand where the Bishops are coming from…

Even after Roe v Wade, I also voted Democrat for a good many years. But then I realized something: if there was a candidate who I loved on every single issue, but he believed we could kill any child up until, say, the age of one…or, instead, believed that after a certain age we should be allowed to be euthanized by our family, or any other life issue like that, I would not be able to vote for that person. That’s when I stopped voting Democrat. If we had any pro-life Democrats in our state (there are some in other states) I would still likely vote for them.

I also realized everybody has their own one-issue potential. For instance, if the government ever said they were going to completely get rid of Social Security and everybody now on it would be on their own to survive, how many people who depend on it to live would vote for that candidate, no matter his/her stance on other issues?

The Church didn’t push so hard in the early days to vote pro-choice, but look how the laws have changed over the years. It gets increasingly easier and easier to abort. We have paid for abortions in other countries, and we now spend money to encourage it elsewhere, not just in the United States. The problem is that this affects everyone, and affects attitude as to the sanctity of life.

Then the democratic party went on in support of euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research (even after adult stem cell research seems to be much more effective), cloning, and other life issues. These are all really big. Yes, we badly need to feed the poor…and the Church does, and encourages others to… but we have to look at where all this is leading us as a culture. It is much better to be poor and end up in heaven than to not be so poor but lose our salvation.

A role of the Bishops is to lead us, so they have chosen to lead in these areas, by reminding us of important issues. Our faith is lived in everyday life, which is why it is good for our leadership to be involved in politics. They need to do what they can to save souls, and they perceive that abortion and these other issues lead us away from God’s plan, in a way potentially very harmful to our souls.

Regarding the lawsuits, that is a necessity. The mandate in the health care law is essentially doing two things; forcing Catholics and others to sin (note that non-Catholic businesses have also sued) and taken away our first amendment rights to practice our religion. If one constitutional right can be done away with that easily, what about the rest of our constitution?

We cannot stand alone. The Bishops are seeing a very real threat, and are doing what they can to help us all to keep our freedom intact, and for that I am very grateful. (Don’t forget; they are actually for some kind of universal health care and, if it wasn’t for the mandate, would likely be supportive of the Health Care Act.)

Freedom is very important; important enough that God gave us free will.

Again, this is not necessarily written to try to persuade you to change your vote, but to understand why the Bishops are doing this. It is different times we live in. I wish there was a way to do this without alienating you and others, and I certainly wish others didn’t tell you to leave the Church. Yet I am very appreciative that the Bishops are fighting for our freedom. We do need their leadership and help with this.

I hope that somehow this can help you see why bishops and priests are talking about this stuff, and hope it helps you to feel less alienated. They are doing their best to lead us to God, and to keep our freedoms intact. You may not agree with them on those issues, but when they feel things are this important, they have to act.
 
Also, quit hanging around them and maybe use that time to volunteer someplace. Or take a macrame class.
That’s one of the problems, it happens before and after mass! And at a local shrine to Our Lady. It’s getting very annoying.

I crochet, actually, and am involved in a prayer shawl ministry, as well as an extraordinary minister. Thanks for your feedback, it’s been extremely helpful!
 
To be fair, mlamg, did you *really *hear a priest or bishop tell you who to vote for? Or did the priest/bishop offer guidelines for making your decision?

For I am quite skeptical that any priest/bishop would mention a politician’s name and tell his flock “You should vote for him/her!” or “You should not vote for him/her!” :nope:

What about that troubles you? Do you think that this is not possible?
Honestly, I don’t see the difference, it all comes out to the same thing, in my opinion. Every person in that church knew exactly what was meant by the letter. No names needed to me mentioned.

And no, I truly do NOT believe that voting for the candidate that I feel is the best person for the job will send me to hell. There ARE the poor to consider, too, you know. And immigrants, and the sick, and those who are being discriminated against in society. I’m pro-life, but I’m pro ALL life (against capital punishment and war), and I take into consideration the whole picture when I vote.
 
Gossip is part of causing scandal and it’s a terrible sin. Listening is just assisting people in sinning.
This is a really good point that we should all strive to remember, obviously not just in relation to this thread but in general.
 
Please just tell me if it’s true that if I don’t hold with 100% of the teachings of the Catholic Church, that I then am not really Catholic and that I should just leave the Church.

Should I leave? I don’t know where else to go. I’m heartbroken and lost.
Welcome to the Forums and MERRY CHRISTMAS !

We are Catholic because we believe that Jesus Christ is indeed the Living Son of God and we want to follow Christ as best we can. We want to respond to God’s immense love for us. We want to confess our sins, to live in the state of Grace, and receive Christ in Holy Communion. There is NO BETTER place to be.

Christ knows we all are imperfect. We do not understand as fully as we should and we sin. But He loves us anyway. We respond to that Love; we do not reject it; we do not walk away dejected because we cannot respond as fully as we should.

Must we hold 100% with Catholic teaching or leave the Church? NO ! That would mean those who hold 99% would have to leave.

We are called to LOVE God. A large part of Love is TRUST. Do we hold enough of Catholic teaching to TRUST the rest? To trust what we do not fully understand? To give Christ the benenfit of the doubt that He, through the Holy Spirit, continues to guide His Church?

Perhaps a better expression over " I don’t hold with that teaching" would be “I don’t fully understand that teaching, but I will follow it as best I can because I do love and trust Jesus Christ and the Church He established.”

Meanwhile pray for an increase in Wisdom and Faith. Pray often: JESUS I TRUST IN YOU.
 
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