Noticing alot of opposition to the Tridentine Mass

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I understand that people prefer either Mass. But what I am not getting is why some are opposed? Do opposers fear it? Or are they afraid that if it is freed up, then do they fear that it will be replacing the NO Mass?

Perhaps they can understand that there is room for both is there not?

I mean look, we already have it, so tell, why oppose?

Is it the SSPX they fear? Or just the Mass itself? Is it because the dress is more modest? Or because the Mass is in Latin?

I want the truth, why do some so vehemently oppose it? One thing, we are all Catholic. seems to me we are divided as it were, into 2 camps. Those for it, those against. Cannot the opposers be glad for us if the TLM is freed up?

Or, will they fight it? Will the traditionalists forever remain alone? The pope can put his foot down and free up he Mass can he not?

He is the pope, so howcome it has not happened?

What is preventing him? Opposition. that’s what I think.
 
Ok, for the umpteenth time:
**It ain’t ECUMENICAL!
**That’s why it was suppressed, and why it is only as an indult under strict conditions -to fight the SSPX growth.
The TLM will never fly in anything but a very tight formation.
 
It’s Tradition. They want to change tradition. Another reason why their can never be full communion with the Holy Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church is about unchanging tradition. The traditional Catholics are about unchanging tradition. The rest and majority of Roman Catholics are about changing tradition, including most of the Catholic hierarchy, like the liberal protestants. The Western world caters to secularism and worldly things. Religion is an inner thing to many western Christians. Not a faith of believers, but a faith of the individual. Going back to tradition eliminates the faith of the individual, and brings back the one faith of the Church. Look at why their was never a protestant reformation in the East. It has always been a Western problem. Even though their were heresies in the East. The Oriental Orthodox Churches even stick with tradition. Not the radical break of traditions that infects the churches of the West. You need to understand that will live in a secular society that believes spirituality comes from the inside, and is personal. Traditional Catholicism speaks of a spirituality that is not personal, but a spirituality that flows through the Church. And a spirituality that comes from above. From Heaven!.
 
That is SUCH a GOOD summary. And from an EO no less!
So, are you in agreement that:
To destroy a Religion, you must first sever its traditions?
 
TNT said:
Ok, for the umpteenth time:
**It ain’t ECUMENICAL!
**That’s why it was suppressed, and why it is only as an indult under strict conditions -to fight the SSPX growth.
The TLM will never fly in anything but a very tight formation.
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umpteenth? :confused:
 
If the Pope doesn’t release the MP, the SSPX will just keep growing.
 
Frank_Fenn said:
I understand that people prefer either Mass. But what I am not getting is why some are opposed? Do opposers fear it? Or are they afraid that if it is freed up, then do they fear that it will be replacing the NO Mass?

Perhaps they can understand that there is room for both is there not?

I mean look, we already have it, so tell, why oppose?

Is it the SSPX they fear? Or just the Mass itself? Is it because the dress is more modest? Or because the Mass is in Latin?

I want the truth, why do some so vehemently oppose it? One thing, we are all Catholic. seems to me we are divided as it were, into 2 camps. Those for it, those against. Cannot the opposers be glad for us if the TLM is freed up?

Or, will they fight it? Will the traditionalists forever remain alone? The pope can put his foot down and free up he Mass can he not?

He is the pope, so howcome it has not happened?

What is preventing him? Opposition. that’s what I think.
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I am by no means opposed to hugely increased availability of the TLM - but I don’t think you can expect the majority of people to get enthused about a Mass that’s in a language they don’t know, now that they’re so used to hearing it in their own vernacular.

And the simple truth is, people often fear what they don’t understand. It may not be just one part of the TLM, but the whole package that some (I’m not putting myself in this class) find offputting.
 
TNT said:
That is SUCH a GOOD summary. And from an EO no less!
So, are you in agreement that:
To destroy a Religion, you must first sever its traditions?
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Why would anyone want to sever tradition?:confused:
 
Great post bkovacs. You hit the nail on the head.

Yes TNT, I am in agreement that to destroy a Religion, you must first sever its traditions.
I hope you’re not mad at my copy and paste job of your sig. 😉
 
LilyM said:
I am by no means opposed to hugely increased availability of the TLM - but I don’t think you can expect the majority of people to get enthused about a Mass that’s in a language they don’t know, now that they’re so used to hearing it in their own vernacular.

And the simple truth is, people often fear what they don’t understand. It may not be just one part of the TLM, but the whole package that some (I’m not putting myself in this class) find offputting.
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Then why not try to undestand ?
 
bkovacs said:
Traditional Catholicism speaks of a spirituality that is not personal, but a spirituality that flows through the Church. And a spirituality that comes from above. From Heaven!.
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i understand. since you mention it this way, why can we not have it this way then?
 
Frank_Fenn said:
Then why not try to undestand ?
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They understand quite well Frank. They understand the TLM means a return to Tradition as well as traditions.

The TLM undermines those who have been teaching that Vatican II brought in a “new church” and that we have to do away with anything that was done before 1965.

This doesn’t describe everyone who is opposed to the TLM, only the majority.
 
Swiss_Guard said:
They understand quite well Frank. They understand the TLM means a return to Tradition as well as traditions.

The TLM undermines those who have been teaching that Vatican II brought in a “new church” and that we have to do away with anything that was done before 1965.

This doesn’t describe everyone who is opposed to the TLM, only the majority.
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Still, why would anyone want to do away with a tradition that is ancient? what think they then? the Catholic faith in the dark ages?

Perhaps my SIL, paramedicgirl can enlighten me?
 
TNT said:
That is SUCH a GOOD summary. And from an EO no less!
So, are you in agreement that:
To destroy a Religion, you must first sever its traditions?
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Yes if you eliminate what is tradition you can destroy a religion. Why Bishop Fellay believes that the destruction or watering down if you will of the Mass is why people no longer show reverence, and have real faith any more. They treat the Mass as a celebration vs a “sacrifice”. The old missals of the TLM called it “The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass”. Today it is called a “Celebration of the Mass”
archstl.org/links/gloss-mass.htm
 
Frank_Fenn said:
Still, why would anyone want to do away with a tradition that is ancient? what think they then? the Catholic faith in the dark ages?

Perhaps my SIL, paramedicgirl can enlighten me?
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Paramedicgirl is your SIL? I better be nice to you now! 😉

If anyone can enlighten you, it’s paramedicgirl. She’s smart, articulate, and a great internet conversationalist.
 
Frank_Fenn said:
i understand. since you mention it this way, why can we not have it this way then?
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Ponder this. Why are their Catholics who pray to and follow Buddhist traditions as well. Is their something about their Catholic faith that is missing. Is it the personal spirituality their looking for. They call it a way of life, not a religion, so it’s ok to follow it along with Christianity. Some even say the Buddha was probably Christ in Asia. They were very similar. How can that be if Christ was God!. And Siddhārtha Gautama (Buddha) was man. Buddhists are very kind and gentle people, but you won’t find them worshiping God at the local Catholic parish. Unlike the opposite. This practice my friend is one of the many unfortunate situations that was brought about by Vatican 2 and the destruction of tradition. And one of the ways Lucifer distorts peoples faith!.
 
bkovacs said:
Ponder this. Why are their Catholics who pray to and follow Buddhist traditions as well. Is their something about their Catholic faith that is missing. Is it the personal spirituality their looking for. They call it a way of life, not a religion, so it’s ok to follow it along with Christianity. Some even say the Buddha was probably Christ in Asia. They were very similar. How can that be if Christ was God!. And Siddhārtha Gautama (Buddha) was man. Buddhists are very kind and gentle people, but you won’t find them worshiping God at the local Catholic parish. Unlike the opposite. This practice my friend is one of the many unfortunate situations that was brought about by Vatican 2 and the destruction of tradition. And one of the ways Lucifer distorts peoples faith!.
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good points!
 
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