Noticing alot of opposition to the Tridentine Mass

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mshealy said:
Oh, Paul VI is great when we’re talking about abortion, contraception, or birth control, but when it’s the Mass we can beat him up all we want.
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You missed Pope Paul’s “smoke of Satan” comment I brought attention to in another thread today. It was made shortly after he promulgated the NO.
In addition, last I looked John Paul II was a pretty solid Catholic, but never revised the NO.
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Don’t know what that proves. Perhaps revising the NO was not his top priority. Very few Popes have made major revisions in the liturgy or have abrogated “accepted” Rites. Trent did however decree that no new rites could be introduced and Pius V further went on to abrogate all rites that were not in effect before 1370AD.

As far as the current Pope goes, he has made it one of his goals to revise the popular translations of the NO. I suspect other vernaculars are being studied as well.
 
Bishop Montini (Paul VI) was exiled to northern italy by Pius XII for being a communist sympathizer and having Freemasonic leanings along with alledged homosexual inclinations

I said ALLEDGED.
 
maryj said:
Not an answer to my question, but a question answered with another question:hmmm: I certainly know what prayer is, and what it involves. I am feeling attacked due to the fact that I did not happen to understand nor feel fulfilled by attending a low Mass at a church that has a tridentine mass. There was no vocal prayers, I left that church feeling as though I had missed mass. No this was not the Masses fault but through my lack of any understanding of what was going on. Quiet contemplation? Am I to assume you think that everyone who does not attend a latin mass is not in quiet contemplation and waiting in joyous expectation to receive our Lord? And Remember that there is also something to be said for vocal prayers as well. I’m out of here. Thanks for those who replied with thoughtfullness.
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The questions I posed are rhetorical. I’m sorry you feel I was attacking you. I did not mean to do so. I understand you know what prayer is which is why I posed rhetorical questions. I didn’t mean to attack or offend you in any way.

However, you did say you left the Latin Mass thanking God for Vatican II and the Novus Ordo. Shouldn’t I and others feel attacked? I could take it you’re telling us Latin Mass devotees that we should be glad this intolerable thing called the Latin Mass has been replaced by the more modern and up-to-date Novus Ordo and that anyone who attends the Latin Mass is some backward thinking neanderthal who needs to get with the times?

I never said those who attend the Novus Ordo do not quietly contemplate Our Lord. I said the Novus Ordo Mass does not give the opportunity for quiet contemplation. Tell me what part of the Novus Ordo is silent? The answer is no part is silent.

I hope this clarifies my position. I meant no disrespect to you. God bless.
 
We all have opinions on the masses. I like both, and depending on what I personally feel, I will attend whichever mass makes me feel like I am truly worshiping God. I enjoy the idea of modest clothing and veiling, (head coverings), for women. I was around when NOW said they were degrading to women and that we should burn our veils with our undergarments. That is not what is trully important. What is important is that first of all you feel a connection to God, secondly, one of them makes you think, and finally, that you walk away with something beautiful in your soul. Sometimes it’s nice to have been there. I was:D
 
mahleh said:
We all have opinions on the masses. I like both, and depending on what I personally feel, I will attend whichever mass makes me feel like I am truly worshiping God. I enjoy the idea of modest clothing and veiling, (head coverings), for women. I was around when NOW said they were degrading to women and that we should burn our veils with our undergarments. That is not what is trully important. What is important is that first of all you feel a connection to God, secondly, one of them makes you think, and finally, that you walk away with something beautiful in your soul. Sometimes it’s nice to have been there. I was:D
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I thought worship of God was based on reason rather than feelings?
 
bear06 said:
We didn’t have the 60s back then. We are living in a rebellious time that the Church hasn’t seen for years.
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Yeah, there was no rebellion at all until the 1960’s. Martin Luther, John Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli and other Protestant reformers didn’t rebel against the Mass. There were also no abuses in any Mass. I can’t figure out why St. Pius V decided to codify the Traditional Latin Mass.
bear06 said:
Yes, people can find a way to abuse anything and they will.
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Which is the reason St. Pius V codified the Mass. He made it more difficult to abuse than the Novus Ordo. 10 Eucharistic Prayers or one Canon? Which is more likely to see abuse?:hmmm:
bear06 said:
You’re joking, right? You actually think I made this up? And what would the reason be for that?🤷 Sorry. No link for this one. It came up about 5 or 6 years ago. You must remember that I live in near the San Francisco diocese.
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No, I’m not joking because anyone can find a way to abuse anything and they will just like you said. I’m in the Chicago Archdiocese but we don’t have any homosexuals here. San Francisco is the only city in the US with homosexuals.:rolleyes:
bear06 said:
Uh, we haven’t had mass amounts of TLMs and we haven’t had any in SF for awhile. Just wait.
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I’m sure you can’t wait. I can’t wait to see your disappointment when it doesn’t happen. Hopefully it will be soon.
bear06 said:
Excuse me but you know very little about what I wish for the TLM. Again, you shoot yourself in the foot.

You’ve been around for awhile Swiss Guard and you should know my position. Maybe you should try and look up some of my posts. I have absolutely nothing against the TLM. I promote it and I fully support the MP. I just think you are in for a dose of reality.
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I’ve read your posts and the only reason I see you support the* motu proprio* is to see abuses in the Traditional Latin Mass as in the Novus Ordo. That would be like saying I hope Hillary Clinton becomes President of the United States so she can be impeached and removed from office.

Once again, nobody is forcing you to go to the Traditional Latin Mass. Nobody is going to force the Tradtional Latin Mass on you the way the Novus Ordo was forced on all the faithful.
 
Worshiping God is based on reason, but human nature is emotional, besides, we can argue all we want, but nothing will happen until the Pope makes a statement, ruling, etc…🙂
 
mahleh said:
Worshiping God is based on reason, but human nature is emotional, besides, we can argue all we want, but nothing will happen until the Pope makes a statement, ruling, etc…🙂
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I just wanted to clarify your statement about worship. I hear too much about feelings when it comes to the Mass. I had a fallen away Catholic tell me that the Church needs to give her a reason to get up on Sunday mornings. She thinks going to Mass is all about her. It’s only about feelings.

I’m glad you clarified your statement. I meant no disrespect towards you.
 
None taken, I believe this is supposed to be a place where we can all state what is inside us without being insulted.
 
Swiss_Guard said:
I just wanted to clarify your statement about worship. I hear too much about feelings when it comes to the Mass. I had a fallen away Catholic tell me that the Church needs to give her a reason to get up on Sunday mornings. She thinks going to Mass is all about her. It’s only about feelings.

I’m glad you clarified your statement. I meant no disrespect towards you.
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The Church needs to give her a reason to get up on Sundays?? :rolleyes: How about this?
Sister Josefa Menendez - Description of Hell
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I saw several souls fall into Hell, and among them was a child of fifteen, cursing her parents for not having taught her to fear God nor that there was a Hell. Her life had been a short one, she said, but full of sin, for she had given in to all that her body and passions demanded in the way of satisfaction…" (March 22, 1923).
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“My soul fell into abysmal depths, the bottom of which cannot be seen, for it is immense. . . ; Then I was pushed into one of those fiery cavities and pressed, as it were, between burning planks, and sharp nails and red-hot irons seemed to be piercing my flesh. I felt as if they were endeavoring to pull out my tongue, but could not. This torture reduced me to such agony that my very eyes seemed to be starting out of their sockets. I think this was because of the fire which burns, burns. . . not a finger nail escapes terrifying torments, and all the time one cannot move even a finger to gain some relief, not change posture, for the body seems flattened out and [yet] doubled in two. Sounds of confusion and blasphemy cease not for an instant. A sickening stench asphyxiates and corrupts everything, it is like the burning of putrefied flesh, mingled with tar and sulfur. . . a mixture to which nothing on earth can be compared. . . although these tortures were terrific, they would be bearable if the soul were at peace. But it suffers indescribably. . . All I have written,” she concluded, “is but a shadow of what the soul suffers, for no words can express such dire torment.” (September 4, 1922).
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“Others curse their tongues, their eyes… whatever was the occasion of their sin… 'Now, O body, you are paying the price of the delights you granted yourself!.. and you did it of your own free will… '” (April 2, 1922). (That is, illegitimate delights).
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Swiss_Guard said:
Everyone goes to heaven paramedicgirl. Don’t you know this by now? Only people like Hitler are in hell.
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We can’t even say that much - after all, deathbed repentance and God alone judges souls and all that.
 
paramedicgirl said:
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We can’t even say that much - after all, deathbed repentance and God alone judges souls and all that.

There ya go, Swiss Guard. Everyone is in heaven.
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That is the current understanding.
 
LilyM said:
Heaven where eternity is an endless kum-ba-yah round the campfire 😉
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Then I don’t want to go there. I thought heaven was Lambeau Field where Brett Favre throws 5 TD passes and beats the Bears.

Oh wait, that’s Green Bay, WI. 😃
 
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**Re: Noticing alot of opposition to the Tridentine Mass
**Because it’s just another sign of Contradiction:
Luke 2:34
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