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imperial
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Thanks for the direct link reggieM :tiphat:
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BobCatholic
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I’d love to see it happen…I haven’t heard any news about it. Not like the MSM will actually report on it…Is someone going to bring a class action lawsuit against ALL Catholic Universities that don’t measure up?
I’m sure that will have the intended effect of encouraging the growth of Catholic culture and orthodoxy on campus right quick!
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BobCatholic
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Hmm…
whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/executive_orders/
OH REALLY?
whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/MexicoCityPolicy-VoluntaryPopulationPlanning/
And lots of links on this page with details.
catholicleague.org/specialreports.php?id=17
NARAL didn’t support him for nothing.
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Red_Wolf
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Rach620, post #116
I played ND about 40 years ago. Was a wonderful experience; the playing, reception, treatment.
There is a lot of bad feeling because the institution honored someone trying to revoke many of our Catholic siblings’ rights to practice their occupation. Abortion is threatening to become an issue like eating meat sacrificed to Caesar was in the first and second centuries: one detail Christians can’t accede to. That, and the treatment of Catholics whose consciences agree with the Church, are what has aroused such a feeling of betrayal.
The defenses offered by several, not pointing to any one in particular, struck a chord with the tactics used by socialists in earlier times when their stance wasn’t defensible.
I read about the “would be arrested for any reason” about a week before the actual arrests. Reminded me of the lunch counter arrests in the ‘60’s. I was only referring to the not approved demonstrations when talking about the arrests. What peace was violated by the protests, had they been ignored? But the two women this thread was started about don’t seem to have been protesting or demonstrating.
I’d really like to hear more about the devotions. Vatican II gave such a wonderful vision of what directions our church should take; and then was ignored, or referred to as “the Spirit of Vatican II”, to justify doing the opposite. Tell me the vision is thriving somewhere. How are you going to carry it on with you when you leave?
I played ND about 40 years ago. Was a wonderful experience; the playing, reception, treatment.
There is a lot of bad feeling because the institution honored someone trying to revoke many of our Catholic siblings’ rights to practice their occupation. Abortion is threatening to become an issue like eating meat sacrificed to Caesar was in the first and second centuries: one detail Christians can’t accede to. That, and the treatment of Catholics whose consciences agree with the Church, are what has aroused such a feeling of betrayal.
The defenses offered by several, not pointing to any one in particular, struck a chord with the tactics used by socialists in earlier times when their stance wasn’t defensible.
I read about the “would be arrested for any reason” about a week before the actual arrests. Reminded me of the lunch counter arrests in the ‘60’s. I was only referring to the not approved demonstrations when talking about the arrests. What peace was violated by the protests, had they been ignored? But the two women this thread was started about don’t seem to have been protesting or demonstrating.
I’d really like to hear more about the devotions. Vatican II gave such a wonderful vision of what directions our church should take; and then was ignored, or referred to as “the Spirit of Vatican II”, to justify doing the opposite. Tell me the vision is thriving somewhere. How are you going to carry it on with you when you leave?
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elts1956
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Have you read the newspapers lately? Even CNN said bo had repealed the Mexico City Poicy. Of course they don’t say too much about erasing the Conscience clause of medical personnel. Gone to websites where one can obtain the truth about an issue, such as Life Site News, Priests for Life, listened to Father Eutenauer, Father Corapi, Father Pavone? And I know just what you will say, if anything, in return. Oh, they are prejudiced. Catholic huh?
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elts1956
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Yeah. It was nasty. :crying: And guess what his/her most favorite quote from the Bible is: “Beloved, let us love one another, because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten by God and knows God. Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love.” – 1 John 4:7-8 Go figure.
Thanks for the support.
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Palm_Tree
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There’s Bob out in his far-off land far away from the Truth.
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BobCatholic
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lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jun/09060406.html
Interesting.
Someone’s trying to enforce the law based on viewpoint discrimination. naughty naughty! :tsktsk:
Yes, the law must be enforced. But it cannot be enforced in an unjust manner like it is here. If the peaceful pro-life demonstrators were trespassing, so were the pro-Obama demonstrators. The charges are unconstitutional due to viewpoint and religious discrimination.
Hmmm!!!
Interesting.
Someone’s trying to enforce the law based on viewpoint discrimination. naughty naughty! :tsktsk:
Yes, the law must be enforced. But it cannot be enforced in an unjust manner like it is here. If the peaceful pro-life demonstrators were trespassing, so were the pro-Obama demonstrators. The charges are unconstitutional due to viewpoint and religious discrimination.
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Teelynn
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Wow! In my admitted ignorance, I was unaware that the dissent of ND started that long ago. It is truly then a secular University, not tied to the Catholic Church in the least. They only thing left to do then is change the name of the University. Why tarnish Catholic ideals with a secular University pretending to be Catholic? I would rather the Catholic Church disassociate themselves from the University rather than allow them to put forth a clearly non Catholic message. Hypocritical and confusing. Gives some people the wrong message.
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Teelynn
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Ha! One might THINK that the abortion issue is not the most important or demanding issue on the President’s plate, he does in fact, have a ton of critical issues to deal with. The President however, has the great gift of “word play” if you will. This I have learned in the 6 months of watching him. He has in fact said himself that abortion would have to go on the back burner. Meanwhile he has surrounded himself with pro abortion zealots, all of them, and they are, as we speak, tacking on ammendments to bills before Congress that would guarantee women the rights to abortion at any time for any reason. The President might say one thing, but usually manages to do just the opposite…at least so far.
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Rach620
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I know what it’s like to feel betrayed by Notre Dame. Especially as one of “her loyal sons and daughters,” it pains me all the time when I see the administration heading down the wrong path–perhaps even more than it pains you, or any other outsider looking in at the situation at ND, because I personally have seen the great good that Notre Dame can and has done. I’ve seen much more than just disappointment and secularization there!
Socialism–indefensible. It’s a political philosophy that does not have a proper understanding of the human person at its heart.
Notre Dame–worth defending, in my book. Attacking Notre Dame, abandoning it as lost–none of this accomplishes anything. It abandons all the good that is done there, day in and day out, because of outrages that seem to go beyond the pale. Why not instead have hope for Notre Dame’s Catholic future while working to foster it?
I followed the local news here in South Bend as well as the announcements made on stopobamanotredame.com, Randall Terry’s website. The threat of arrest for any reason was pretty much made after video announcements were made on the website of their intent to get arrested and their first press conferences at the gates of Notre Dame. If NDSP’s goal was to prevent unauthorized protests from taking place on campus, their actions made sense.
This is beside the point. The protesters who were arrested set out to do so, and after studying ND’s regulations regarding unauthorized protests, did exactly what they needed to do in order to violate them. It’s not a matter of “violating the peace” in some egregious way, but a simple matter of ND prohibiting unauthorized protests of any kind from taking place on campus. Pro-homosexual protesters were dealt with in the very same way when they came to campus a couple of years ago, and even though I was on campus I didn’t know they were there–they didn’t “disturb the peace” or anything, but came in a bus and attempted to hand out literature and condoms. I read about it in the papers–after NDSP arrested them and escorted them off-campus.
I honestly believe that “the vision” you’re talking about thrives in a creative minority at Notre Dame. Besides all of the great Catholic intellectual opportunities there are here (where else could I have written a senior thesis in the political science department that focused on the political thought of Pope Benedict XVI?), there are plenty of devotional, spiritual aspects as well. There are beautiful liturgies here, very orthodox and reverent Novus Ordo Masses take place each Sunday in the Basilica of the Sacred Heart (they’re televised and video is available on the basilica.nd.edu website, if you’re interested!). A group of students had the Extraordinary Form of the Mass organized and ready to go as soon as the motu proprio was released last year–they have low Mass pretty much every Sunday in a dorm chapel on campus. We have an annual Eucharistic Procession, awesome Easter Triduum liturgies that many students stay on campus to attend…Campus Ministry is very active, with different faith-sharing groups for different types of Catholic spirituality, hosting retreats almost weekly throughout the school year for all of the different groups. There are always quite a few candidates and catechumens in the RCIA program here, and the on campus seminary has no shortage of young men in formation for the priesthood. Several of my friends who are recent alumni are in formation for the priesthood or religious life, and many more are sacramentally married–quite unusual in this day and age, when the average age for marriage is up closer to 27 and 28, rather than 22.
I really met and befriended a solid group of Catholic students while I was at Notre Dame who helped me grow spiritually and truly live my faith. They are strong, committed Catholics who seek to follow God’s will in their daily lives. They are my examples in many areas of my life–openness to God’s will in their families and in their professional lives, humility, sincere prayer, chastity, holiness. And I think that all would tell you, like me, that Notre Dame was pivotal in their formation as Catholics.
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Rach620
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Familiarity with Notre Dame’s campus and with the events of the weekend would probably help to clarify what happened here…I wasn’t in that area of campus when the arrests took place, but I saw photographs and can place it in my mind. It is VERY clear when one enters the ND campus at the main gate, and for the most part ALL protesters, including the pro-life and pro-Obama ones, were gathered outside the gates, along the streets. They would know when they entered campus and when they would be trespassing. As far as I am aware, this man’s report is hearsay–all of the local news outlets focused on reports of women trespassing through security checkpoints or closer to the Stadium and Convocation Center where Commencement was being held. Notre Dame cops weren’t wandering the streets just outside of campus arresting pro-lifers and letting pro-choicers roam free.
Please, I invite you to come to Notre Dame, wander about the campus, sit in on a few theology classes, attend a conference sponsored by the Center for Ethics and Culture, top it off with Mass at the Basilica of the Sacred Heart–and then tell me that Notre Dame “is truly then a secular university, not tied to the Catholic Church in the least.”
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BobCatholic
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Then why didn’t the police arrest the pro-Obama demonstrators who were there as well? They were unauthorized as well.
It is illegal and contrary to the constitution to practice viewpoint discrimination in law enforcement. I think the pro-life demonstrators have a good case of having their civil rights violated, and I hope they sue ND into the ground.
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Rach620
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What I was trying to explain is that they were not on campus–they were outside the gates, in the street. Therefore, they were not on ND’s private property where the “no unauthorized protests” rule applied.
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imperial
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Please, I invite you to come to Notre Dame, wander about the campus, sit in on a few theology classes, attend a conference sponsored by the Center for Ethics and Culture, top it off with Mass at the Basilica of the Sacred Heart–and then tell me that Notre Dame “is truly then a secular university, not tied to the Catholic Church in the least.”
Don’t bother going bobcatholic they may arrest you,
As you a true catholic. :yup:
It’s all a joke, ND showed their true colors. Sad to say they are not the only ones.
The protesters that are now being prosecuted are good citizens. :heaven:
Don’t bother going bobcatholic they may arrest you,
As you a true catholic. :yup:
It’s all a joke, ND showed their true colors. Sad to say they are not the only ones.
The protesters that are now being prosecuted are good citizens. :heaven:
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BobCatholic
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Survey says?
BZZT!
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09052902.html
Wrong answer.
ND is guilty of viewpoint discrimination and violating people’s civil rights.
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Rach620
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Don’t bother going bobcatholic they may arrest you,
As you a true catholic. :yup:
It’s all a joke, ND showed their true colors. Sad to say they are not the only ones.
The protesters that are now being prosecuted are good citizens. :heaven:
:banghead: I am honestly trying to show more sides to the Notre Dame story–a more comprehensive view of life there that you aren’t going to get by reading a few different Catholic news sources, as all of those are written by outsiders, not those who are part of the Notre Dame ‘family’. As a member of that ‘family,’ I sincerely ask you to at least concede that it’s not possible for Notre Dame to be entirely bad, from the ground up. There is good there. Quite a bit of good. To abandon it all, to insinuate that these very real signs of Catholic life on campus are all a sham is, to say the least, uncharitable.
I’ve read the article, and their reporting doesn’t square with what I personally witnessed on campus that weekend. Particularly,
There were plenty of people wandering around campus at the ND Response events who had t-shirts and signs that were anti-ND and anti-Obama. They were in the heart of campus, and no one was bothered.
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Palm_Tree
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When it comes to the news, BobCatholic and LifeSiteNews are both known for being overly-dramatic and misleading when it comes to the truth. By being like that, they think they are helping the Church and the Pro-Life movement.Don’t bother going bobcatholic they may arrest you,
As you a true catholic. :yup:
It’s all a joke, ND showed their true colors. Sad to say they are not the only ones.
The protesters that are now being prosecuted are good citizens. :heaven:
:banghead: I am honestly trying to show more sides to the Notre Dame story–a more comprehensive view of life there that you aren’t going to get by reading a few different Catholic news sources, as all of those are written by outsiders, not those who are part of the Notre Dame ‘family’. As a member of that ‘family,’ I sincerely ask you to at least concede that it’s not possible for Notre Dame to be entirely bad, from the ground up. There is good there. Quite a bit of good. To abandon it all, to insinuate that these very real signs of Catholic life on campus are all a sham is, to say the least, uncharitable.
I’ve read the article, and their reporting doesn’t square with what I personally witnessed on campus that weekend. Particularly,
There were plenty of people wandering around campus at the ND Response events who had t-shirts and signs that were anti-ND and anti-Obama. They were in the heart of campus, and no one was bothered.
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Chris_LaRock
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On top of it, Notre Dame is pressing charges against people who are promoting one of the Catholic Church’s most important teachings. How much longer will the RCC allow apostacy in the Church?
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Palm_Tree
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Trespassing is one of the Church’s most important teachings? These same people could come protest your parish and dioceses for not preaching anti-abortion homilies every single Mass, and I doubt your parish and diocese would be cool with that.
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