Notre Dame student groups reject Obama invitation, launch Red Letter campaign

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ND student groups reject Obama invitation, launch Red Letter campaign

South Bend, Ind., Mar 26, 2009 / 08:01 pm (CNA).- Notre Dame’s invitation to President Barack Obama is “in opposition to what lies at the foundation of this University,” says ND Response, a consortium of 11 different student groups.

According to a statement released by the group yesterday, its members received word of the commencement speech invitation to President Obama with “deepest opposition.”

ND Response, which includes groups as diverse as Notre Dame Law’s St Thomas More Society and Notre Dame’s Right to Life group, claimed opposition based upon “President Obama’s hostility to the Catholic Church’s teachings on the sanctity of human life at its earliest stages” further saying that Obama’s early pro-abortion decisions will "directly result in the deaths of thousands of innocent human beings."ND

Response spokesman, Chris Labadie, a senior majoring in theology, told CNA on Thursday that the group was inundated with emails and calls over the weekend seeking some type of response. Instead of answering requests individually, the leaders of the 11 groups came together to create a unified response.

This morning, former America Magazine Editor Fr. Thomas Reese, S.J. launched an op-ed in the Washington Post supporting Notre Dame’s decision and rebuffing groups like ND Response saying, “Controversy over commencement speakers at Catholic universities pops up every spring along with the tulips.”

Reese’s argument was presented in five bullet points:

1.In his personal life, Obama has never acted in defiance of the fundamental moral principle that abortion is wrong. Reese can’t say this with complete assurance. There is MUCH of bo’s private life that no one knows.

2.Publicly, Obama has never spoken out against the fundamental moral principle that abortion is wrong. A bit of a weak argument given what he DOES support publicly.

3.He supports legal restrictions on third trimester abortions with a health-of-the-mother exemption. Where does Reese get his info.? What about his voting no on the law banning partial birth abortion and his desire to overturn this law?

Although he does not believe that other abortions can be made illegal, he supports programs to reduce the number of abortions. Name them Reese.

5.Notre Dame is not honoring Obama because of his views on abortion but because he is President of the United States, as has been made clear by the Rev. John Jenkins, Notre Dame’s president. A very good example of relativism which only takes twisted minds to make it seem a truth.

Replying to critics like Reese, ND Response acknowledged that “some of President Obama’s policies and programs may have an effect” on reducing abortions, but that other policies have a “direct effect” on destroying life.

Both Reese and Jenkins claim Obama can be honored because he is the President and not because of his stance on abortion, but ND Response offered a pointed rebuke:
“University President, Fr. John Jenkins C.S.C. has indicated in his statements that this honor is being given to President Obama because of his leadership role. honoring the President with a Doctor of Laws degree honoris causa, Fr. Jenkins is honoring his work with the law. We feel this means we would honor the policies that President Obama has advocated for as a lawyer and Senator as well as put into action as President. If his policies are inconsistent with the core values and tenets of a Catholic institution then we feel this is an inappropriate use of the honoris causa degree.”

At the conclusion of his article, Reese recited the rationale frequently invoked for inviting speakers who dissent from Church teachings to give a speech. “If Catholic universities are afraid to have people on campus who challenge our views, then we are not training students to listen and think critically. We are admitting that our arguments are not convincing,” Reese wrote.

ND Response disagrees with Reese, saying that a “commencement address is not the correct arena for an intellectual debate” since students “will not be able to engage the President in an intellectual setting.”

The consortium of student groups is planning to express their opposition by launching a Red Letter campaign, in which empty letters representing a child who was murdered through abortion are given to President Obama on commencement day. ND Response has formally asked Jenkins to deliver the empty Red Letters to Obama, but no response from the University had been received as of Thursday afternoon.

Chris Labadie told CNA that the groups’ message to the university and President Obama is: “We recognize the great honor it is that the President of the United States is coming to our university. But we must stand firm in our convictions as Catholics, there is a substantial amount of students and faculty who strongly support the Catholic mission and identity of the University, who believe in it and who believe that it is still worth fighting for. ND Response is working with many internal groups in order to present a unified front; at the same time we are open to collaboration or cooperation with concerned external groups.”
 
I think they ought to go further.

I’d love to see (or at least hear about) hundreds of ND graduates silently extending their hands high above their heads during BO’s entire speech. Hands stained red (use ketchup) to symbolize the blood on Obama’s hands because of his policies and votes over the years.

Silent, non-violent, non-disruptive, but devastatingly clear.

Best of all, it needs no cooperation from the foolish administrators of ND that are so willingly giving catholic legitimacy to this culture of death presidency of Barack Obama.
 
As a Catholic who had returned to our beautiful faith Easter of '05 after a 40 year absence, I am deeply disappointed in the outrage being expressed by fellow Catholics who view the president coming to commencement as a scandal. My beautiful faith is being harmed by this outrage. It is being misrepresented to the public by the fear and hostility underlying the self-righteous indignation of an emotional response that lacks wisdom and understanding about the mystical nature of our faith.
Our Lord hanging on the Cross was thought to be a scandal. Yet, there was Mary silently with Her Son at the Cross. She did not yell or scream that this was unjust. She had pondered in her heart since His presentation in the temple what His life and Her life were to become. The president is coming to Her “House”. Who is stronger? We should be thanking God for this opportunity to show the mystical love and peace of our Catholic Faith.
2Timothy3:23 “Avoid foolish and ignorant debates, for you know that they breed quarrels. A slave of the Lord should not quarrel, but should be gentle with everyone, able to teach, tolerant, correcting opponents with kindness. It may be that God will grant them repentance that leads to knowledge of the truth.”
This experience is a true test of our faith that can only be motivated by God to deepen our trust in Him. So far, the only scandal I have seen is the weakness of faith being expressed by those who oppose President Obama’s invitation to ND commencement.
Don’t you remember John Paul II meeting with Gorbachev at the Vatican? Communism was overthrown in Poland without a shot. I believe that Gorbachev had a conversion experience. JP II found God in the midst of Nazi occupation.
Last week Hillary Clinton visited Mexico and while on her trip brought white roses to the shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe and remarked that we have a beautiful Virgin Mother.
Please ‘do not be conformed to the ways of the world’ and rest in the peace and love of our beautiful faith. Conformity to the world is expressed as outrage and demonstration. Our faith is expressed as love and peace.
I hope the world witnesses the beauty of our faith instead of the hysterics of misguided feelings of being assaulted.
 
Jesus died willingly on the cross. He gave himself up for us.

Not so for the unborn. We decide they must die for our convenience or perceived necessity. Rather different, no?

Pope John Paul MET with Soviets and communists. He never bestowed official papal honors on them, never handed them the key to Vatican City. It was quite clear that those events were a meeting between those of opposing worldviews. We won.

We aren’t winning this conflict because the enemy’s strategy is to make us believe that there IS no conflict. (And I’m not talking about Obama, someone much worse). The culture of death in America seeks to convert via apathy, not violence or argument.

The outrage is not that Notre Dame has invited the president of the United States to speak. The outrage is that ND has chosen to HONOR the MAN for the results of his contributions to the profession and vocation of law. If you aren’t outraged by what Obama’s record in law actually is, you either aren’t paying attention or you don’t believe in catholic teaching the humanity of the unborn.

Your analogy is hopelessly wrong. To be equivalent, Our Lady would have had to invite Pontius Pilate over for an awards dinner the night after the crucifixion.
 
As a Catholic who had returned to our beautiful faith Easter of '05 after a 40 year absence, I am deeply disappointed in the outrage being expressed by fellow Catholics who view the president coming to commencement as a scandal. My beautiful faith is being harmed by this outrage. Do you not believe our Faith is to be defended? The silent majority has had its try and the result is an increases in disrespect toward the Catholic Church and what it believes in.

It is being misrepresented to the public by the fear and hostility underlying the self-righteous indignation of an emotional response that lacks wisdom and understanding about the mystical nature of our faith. Do not mistake rightious anger for fear and hostility. Our Lord hanging on the Cross was thought to be a scandal. Yet, there was Mary silently with Her Son at the Cross. She did not yell or scream that this was unjust. She had pondered in her heart since His presentation in the temple what His life and Her life were to become. The president is coming to Her “House”. Who is stronger? We should be thanking God for this opportunity to show the mystical love and peace of our Catholic Faith.
2Timothy3:23 “Avoid foolish and ignorant debates, for you know that they breed quarrels. A slave of the Lord should not quarrel, but should be gentle with everyone, There will be no quarrel, but a defense of the faith. able to teach, tolerant, correcting opponents with kindness. It may be that God will grant them repentance that leads to knowledge of the truth.”

This experience is a true test of our faith that can only be motivated by God to deepen our trust in Him. So far, the only scandal I have seen is the weakness of faith being expressed by those who oppose President Obama’s invitation to ND commencement. A very good liberal aspect. It might be your opinion, but it’s not mine. Never will be.Don’t you remember John Paul II meeting with Gorbachev at the Vatican? Communism was overthrown in Poland without a shot. I believe that Gorbachev had a conversion experience. JP II found God in the midst of Nazi occupation.
Last week Hillary Clinton visited Mexico and while on her trip brought white roses to the shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe and remarked that we have a beautiful Virgin Mother. I am sure that was a lovely photo op. Give us a break. The week before, HC was applauded by Planned Parenthood. What a dichotomy. Our lady, the Protector of Life in the Americas and the politician who considers China’s biggest problem to be its economy and not its one child per family law. One child then the mother must abort any other child conceived. Please ‘do not be conformed to the ways of the world’ and rest in the peace and love of our beautiful faith. Conformity to the world is expressed as outrage and demonstration. Conformity to the world is expressed by the acceptance of relativism and materialism. Our faith is expressed as love and peace.

I hope the world witnesses the beauty of our faith instead of the hysterics of misguided feelings of being assaulted.
Wake up out of your feely good interpretation of your faith and get with the program. The Catholic Church is under attack. It is a true Catholic’s obligation to defend it, hopefully in peaceful ways, as many of the 2009 Graduates are planning to do. Those students and faculty who are not supporting them are chaff in the wind. They will not prevail.

TOLERANCE IS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO CONVICTIONS
 
Wake up out of your feely good interpretation of your faith and get with the program. The Catholic Church is under attack. It is a true Catholic’s obligation to defend it, hopefully in peaceful ways, as many of the 2009 Graduates are planning to do. Those students and faculty who are not supporting them are chaff in the wind. They will not prevail.

TOLERANCE IS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO CONVICTIONS
This is exactly what saddens and frustrates me. The Church had its greatest conversion when in persecution. The Cross shows us how to relate to the world. My faith is not the “feely good interpretation” as you presumed. You showed prejudice by that statement and not an openness to discussion. You exhibited a threatened response when I expressed an alternate viewpoint.
You are rationalizing your anger as righteous indignation and giving yourself permission to act out this anger. Abortion starts with fear and anger causes fear. We do not stop abortion with fearful and angry demonstrations; that is the way of the world.
Relativism also applies to how we live our faith. If we live our faith less than what Our Lord proclaimed in His actions and His words in the beatitudes, then we live it in a relativistic manner. John Paul II always wanted to know how he was being perceived by those outside the faith in order to know if he was presenting the faith to the world as it should be, which is a light that draws people to it.
Abortion simply is the result of a loss of love. Do you want to add to that dynamic that is so prevalent in the world today or do you want to be part of the culture of life that brings more love into the world? If you choose love then you must give up yourself and look to Christ and His Mother for the solution.
The woman who wrote about her survival during the Rawanda genocide said that while she was in hiding and praying the Rosary she was given the insight that if everybody prayed for the leader of the genocide instead of hating him that the killing would stop.
We must stop using the words and methods of the culture in order to stop abortion.
 
This is exactly what saddens and frustrates me. The Church had its greatest conversion when in persecution. The Cross shows us how to relate to the world. My faith is not the “feely good interpretation” as you presumed. You showed prejudice by that statement and not an openness to discussion. You exhibited a threatened response when I expressed an alternate viewpoint.
You are rationalizing your anger as righteous indignation and giving yourself permission to act out this anger. Abortion starts with fear and anger causes fear. We do not stop abortion with fearful and angry demonstrations; that is the way of the world.
Relativism also applies to how we live our faith. If we live our faith less than what Our Lord proclaimed in His actions and His words in the beatitudes, then we live it in a relativistic manner. John Paul II always wanted to know how he was being perceived by those outside the faith in order to know if he was presenting the faith to the world as it should be, which is a light that draws people to it.
Abortion simply is the result of a loss of love. Do you want to add to that dynamic that is so prevalent in the world today or do you want to be part of the culture of life that brings more love into the world? If you choose love then you must give up yourself and look to Christ and His Mother for the solution.
The woman who wrote about her survival during the Rawanda genocide said that while she was in hiding and praying the Rosary she was given the insight that if everybody prayed for the leader of the genocide instead of hating him that the killing would stop.
We must stop using the words and methods of the culture in order to stop abortion.
It’s not a question of hate but a question of standing up for what is right & true when facing a crumbling society and loss of respect for human life.
Sure, we all should have prayed for the Nazis, but resistance was also required.The same is true today.
 
It’s not a question of hate but a question of standing up for what is right & true when facing a crumbling society and loss of respect for human life.
Sure, we all should have prayed for the Nazis, but resistance was also required.The same is true today.
We must know what is in our hearts before we stand up for anything. Society will always crumble. I do not have faith in a social solution to our problems. I do have faith in God providing a conversion of heart that affects social change. I returned to our faith right in the middle of the sexual abuse evil in our faith; so it was God and not a human intervention that converted me. No human could have converted me. As a matter of fact if it were only human beings influencing me to return I would not have returned no matter how much EWTN or anyone else might have tried to convert me.
I wrote a letter to Pope Benedict in Sept of '06 asking him to lead us on a pilgrimage to Darfur to care for the suffering innocents to show the world what our faith represents–a self-sacrificial act. I received a letter in return stating that he also shares concern for those suffering and that he will be praying for them. He also suggested I read his first encyclical God Is Love.
We must stand up in a way that represents love for all and not only for those who agree with us.
 
Unfortunately, Catholic Universities are usually only nominally so. Notre Dame is a well known example. The Catholic University system, by and large, has caved into to secular demands.

Not so with many Protestant Christian universities. Many of them actually make moral demands of their students, and truly seek to mold them to Christian living.

So, I’m not surprised the Notre Dame would invite abortion supporter Obama.
 
We must know what is in our hearts before we stand up for anything. Society will always crumble. I do not have faith in a social solution to our problems. I do have faith in God providing a conversion of heart that affects social change. I returned to our faith right in the middle of the sexual abuse evil in our faith; so it was God and not a human intervention that converted me. No human could have converted me. As a matter of fact if it were only human beings influencing me to return I would not have returned no matter how much EWTN or anyone else might have tried to convert me.
I wrote a letter to Pope Benedict in Sept of '06 asking him to lead us on a pilgrimage to Darfur to care for the suffering innocents to show the world what our faith represents–a self-sacrificial act. I received a letter in return stating that he also shares concern for those suffering and that he will be praying for them. He also suggested I read his first encyclical God Is Love.
We must stand up in a way that represents love for all and not only for those who agree with us.
I agree. We can pray while we protest.😉
 
Bravo to the ND student groups! They’re taking the bull by the horns!

Reese is a typical liberal idiot…please St. Ignatius of Loyola, reach down from heaven and SLAP THIS [so-called] SON OF YOURS SILLY!

We Catholics have to stand up for the Faith-we are called ‘the Church MILITANT’, not the ‘Church WIMP’!

Our Lord and Our Lady came from the tribe of Judah, King David’s tribe. Our Lord is called ‘the Lion of Judah’, and Our Lady is ‘the Valiant Virgin, terrible as an army set in array’. We should stand for Their honor-and They will lead us to the final victory!

I put no trust in venal politicians like BO…I’m sorry I’m being so blunt, but I’m JUST THAT MAD!!! :mad: :banghead: :mad: …arrgh…
 
We must know what is in our hearts before we stand up for anything. Society will always crumble. I do not have faith in a social solution to our problems. I do have faith in God providing a conversion of heart that affects social change. I returned to our faith right in the middle of the sexual abuse evil in our faith; so it was God and not a human intervention that converted me. No human could have converted me. As a matter of fact if it were only human beings influencing me to return I would not have returned no matter how much EWTN or anyone else might have tried to convert me.
I wrote a letter to Pope Benedict in Sept of '06 asking him to lead us on a pilgrimage to Darfur to care for the suffering innocents to show the world what our faith represents–a self-sacrificial act. I received a letter in return stating that he also shares concern for those suffering and that he will be praying for them. He also suggested I read his first encyclical God Is Love.
We must stand up in a way that represents love for all and not only for those who agree with us.
By inviting Obama to speak and honoring him is validating his stance on Abortion!
Abortion is the killing of GOD"S children it is an intrinsic evil. we as Catholics are to uphold our faith and defend it when it is being attacked.
We are in essence God’s warriors, and as such need to take a stand and voice our outrage at anything than deminishes Catholicism. We are not to remain silent, Obama speaking at ND is an outrage and I greatly admire the students who are standing up and saying so.
If some of the saints behaved the way you say we should, they would never have been saints in the first plaace. We are NOT to remain silent.

The reason we are in this very situation, why Obama is even President is exactly because of the feel good religion you are talking about. The 50% of Catholics who voted him in did not know enough about their faith to know that he was taking huge pokes at it and had no respect for what the Catholic Church is. The Bishops etc: did not voice their opposition clearly enough and or the people who voted for him were poorly taugh their religion.

It is clearly time now for Catholics to open their mouths and be heard!
 
By inviting Obama to speak and honoring him is validating his stance on Abortion!
Abortion is the killing of GOD"S children it is an intrinsic evil. we as Catholics are to uphold our faith and defend it when it is being attacked.
We are in essence God’s warriors, and as such need to take a stand and voice our outrage at anything than deminishes Catholicism. We are not to remain silent, Obama speaking at ND is an outrage and I greatly admire the students who are standing up and saying so.
If some of the saints behaved the way you say we should, they would never have been saints in the first plaace. We are NOT to remain silent.

The reason we are in this very situation, why Obama is even President is exactly because of the feel good religion you are talking about. The 50% of Catholics who voted him in did not know enough about their faith to know that he was taking huge pokes at it and had no respect for what the Catholic Church is. The Bishops etc: did not voice their opposition clearly enough and or the people who voted for him were poorly taugh their religion.

It is clearly time now for Catholics to open their mouths and be heard!
I guess you would rather listen to your outrage rather than the wisdom of our faith. I am pro-life. Do you want conversion or do you want to satisfy the lust of outrage? I love the Beatitudes taught straight from Our Lord’s mouth and I am not going to be swayed by the aggression of a rationalized self-righteous indignation. It looks and sounds like a weak faith.
 
I guess you would rather listen to your outrage rather than the wisdom of our faith. I am pro-life. Do you want conversion or do you want to satisfy the lust of outrage? I love the Beatitudes taught straight from Our Lord’s mouth and I am not going to be swayed by the aggression of a rationalized self-righteous indignation. It looks and sounds like a weak faith.
Then all the Martyrs who died defending their faith , had weak faith!
 
Then all the Martyrs who died defending their faith , had weak faith!
That is your thinking. Martyrs do not defend the faith, they live the faith. They are not outraged with their persecution they experience joy in their persecution and welcomed it. The huge mistake we make is saying that we must defend our faith. When we defend something it means there is a perceived threat. When we live our faith there is no threat, there is only conversion.
 
This is exactly what saddens and frustrates me. The Church had its greatest conversion when in persecution. The Cross shows us how to relate to the world. My faith is not the “feely good interpretation” as you presumed. You showed prejudice by that statement and not an openness to discussion. You exhibited a threatened response when I expressed an alternate viewpoint.
You are rationalizing your anger as righteous indignation and giving yourself permission to act out this anger. Abortion starts with fear and anger causes fear. We do not stop abortion with fearful and angry demonstrations; that is the way of the world.
Relativism also applies to how we live our faith. If we live our faith less than what Our Lord proclaimed in His actions and His words in the beatitudes, then we live it in a relativistic manner. John Paul II always wanted to know how he was being perceived by those outside the faith in order to know if he was presenting the faith to the world as it should be, which is a light that draws people to it.
Abortion simply is the result of a loss of love. Do you want to add to that dynamic that is so prevalent in the world today or do you want to be part of the culture of life that brings more love into the world? If you choose love then you must give up yourself and look to Christ and His Mother for the solution.
The woman who wrote about her survival during the Rawanda genocide said that while she was in hiding and praying the Rosary she was given the insight that if everybody prayed for the leader of the genocide instead of hating him that the killing would stop.
We must stop using the words and methods of the culture in order to stop abortion.
Have you listened to or watched ETWN, priests for life, Fathers Corapi,
Pavone and Eutenauer? I think their method is great. They pray, pray, pray, but they also defend the Faith and the unborn VERY VOCALLY.

Somehow, I don’t think the Apostles, or St. Paul kept their mouths shut, but preached the Gospel. Otherwise, how would we know it?

Perhaps you are saying enough prayers that will make up for we who pray a lot, but mouth off even more. And I say that with no disrespect. :gopray2:
 
Have you listened to or watched ETWN, priests for life, Fathers Corapi,
Pavone and Eutenauer? I think their method is great. They pray, pray, pray, but they also defend the Faith and the unborn VERY VOCALLY.

Somehow, I don’t think the Apostles, or St. Paul kept their mouths shut, but preached the Gospel. Otherwise, how would we know it?

Perhaps you are saying enough prayers that will make up for we who pray a lot, but mouth off even more. And I say that with no disrespect. :gopray2:
I respect their work and they are great for those who agree with them. Do they know how to reach those who disagree? Methods that are the same as the non-believers show a conformity to the world. Their results are limited. If you have the Magnificat read the meditation for 3-30 and let me know what you think.
I reject being VERY VOCAL because it is the way of the world. You want to save the unborn then go on a walking pilgrimage across the U.S. and pray the Rosary silently. Get one million Catholics who can make a leap of fatih to do this and you will see abortion stop. If you say this is not practical then you are conformed to the ways of the world.
 
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