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cathgal
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and it took the bishops this long to finally complain about ND??
They’re decades too late
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050601.html
They’re decades too late
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050601.html
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tm30
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This is truly a turning point for Notre Dame. I don’t know if they can every recover their prestige after this. May as well replace Mary on the Dome with Bob’s Big Boy…
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Catholic20064
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Can I suggest we sometimes are going to far when we come to conclusions like this? There are people on campus fighting to reinvigorate the Catholic character of Notre Dame. I wouldn’t give up over this unfortunate Obama incident. Both the Catholic Church and Notre Dame are bigger than this one instance. I think for people who are actually here we feel the Catholic character of the place all of the time whether attending mass every day at the Basilica or seeing the students doing service work during their fall breaks. I see it when I see the pro-life stance over at the Notre Dame Center for Ethics and Culture:
ethicscenter.nd.edu/
Don’t give up on the place yet!
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cathgal
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Of course there will always be a good and a bad guy to any battle. If history has anything to say about ND, I’d say the win is looking very dim for the good guy right now.
We have to ask ourselves how it got to this point in the first place. Didn’t happen overnight that’s for sure.
You are very optimistic…
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Catholic20064
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That’s what a Christian is called to be! It’s easier for me to go the other way.
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cathgal
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It would be easier if ND is stripped of its Catholic identity. A lesson to the dissidents.
Can a Christian hope for this?
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Havard
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“Notre Dame is a truly great university, and I say that sincerely. I am confident it will see better days.” - Father Jonathan Morris
I agree with Fr. Jonathan, and will keep Notre Dame in my prayers.
I agree with Fr. Jonathan, and will keep Notre Dame in my prayers.
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Catholic20064
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I think it would be better to encourage them to live their Catholic identity before stripping them of it. They are still better than most of the Jesuit schools which still have their Catholic identity. Their theology department is making strides in becoming more orthodox rather than less orthodox. They may have learned a lesson from this Obama incident even if they won’t say so publicly. Burning bridges doesn’t seem to be the way to go at this point in my humble opinion.
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Mark77
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These situations are often the catalyst for people to get off the fence and choose right or wrong!
"So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth." (Rev 3:16).
It is easier to deal with someone who has taken the wrong stance than it is to convince so many of our cafeteria catholics who are “lukewarm!”
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
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"So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth." (Rev 3:16).
It is easier to deal with someone who has taken the wrong stance than it is to convince so many of our cafeteria catholics who are “lukewarm!”
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
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cathgal
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After 30+ years and they’re just not getting better, ye just keep on encouraging them now, ye hear?
In the meantime, other universities will follow their footstep…
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Havard
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It is up to the Vatican, and to the Superior General of the Congregation of Holy Cross to handle this matter, not us. Trust in their judgment, and pray for all those interested.
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edwest2
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To Havard,
That is exactly right.
I watched American society gradually, very gradually, slide into the mess it’s in now, and that includes Catholics. In 1970, a number of dissidents left the Church and not long after that, more secular people filled the ranks in Catholics institutions of higher learning. As I read from one Church leader: How can someone give to his students something authentically Catholic if he doesn’t have it to give?
In 1968, Humanae Vitae warned Catholics about The Pill and the consequences of sex without love. Had Catholics listened to the Pope then, things would not be where they are today. But with Adult Bookstores appearing everywhere in the 1970s, followed by porn on cable in the 1980s and No-Fault Divorce, followed by internet porn in the 1990s - sex became divorced from its true purpose. The National Organization for Women putting the fear of men into all women didn’t help either.
Secular College and University campuses became worse and worse, while instructors were increasingly liberal and left leaning.
Too many Catholics gradually, very gradually at first, began to start imitating the world more and more, stopped going to Church and in many ways, are now no different than their neighbors. If the salt loses its savor, it is thrown out and men trample it underfoot.
Have faith and hope. Pray. And be the salt of the earth. Do not hide your light under a bushel but put it on a candlestick. I encourage you.
Peace,
Ed
That is exactly right.
I watched American society gradually, very gradually, slide into the mess it’s in now, and that includes Catholics. In 1970, a number of dissidents left the Church and not long after that, more secular people filled the ranks in Catholics institutions of higher learning. As I read from one Church leader: How can someone give to his students something authentically Catholic if he doesn’t have it to give?
In 1968, Humanae Vitae warned Catholics about The Pill and the consequences of sex without love. Had Catholics listened to the Pope then, things would not be where they are today. But with Adult Bookstores appearing everywhere in the 1970s, followed by porn on cable in the 1980s and No-Fault Divorce, followed by internet porn in the 1990s - sex became divorced from its true purpose. The National Organization for Women putting the fear of men into all women didn’t help either.
Secular College and University campuses became worse and worse, while instructors were increasingly liberal and left leaning.
Too many Catholics gradually, very gradually at first, began to start imitating the world more and more, stopped going to Church and in many ways, are now no different than their neighbors. If the salt loses its savor, it is thrown out and men trample it underfoot.
Have faith and hope. Pray. And be the salt of the earth. Do not hide your light under a bushel but put it on a candlestick. I encourage you.
Peace,
Ed
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Catholic20064
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That’s why I am actually optimistic about Notre Dame’s future. The younger priests who will eventually fill positions at Notre Dame are more orthodox than the priests my age. They will eventually be the ones to bring Notre Dame back into line. It may take 10 years, but it will happen.
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Bennie_P
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It is not just ND it is most Catholic Universities and colleges:
For example:
According to reports, a “Trans-gender Awareness Week” was held at Jesuit-run Seattle University during Lent. The event promoted a “Trans-gender Bible” study and encouraged students to dress in “gender bending outfits.”
When you drop a frog into boiling water, it jumps right out. But when you put the same frog in lukewarm water and increase the temperature slowly, the frog cooks to death without reacting.
Using the slow-cooking approach, the homosexual movement has been able to establish pro-homosexual clubs at 96 Catholic universities in the United States.
That’s 45% of the Catholic universities. Here’s the full report.
These clubs sponsor events that promote the homosexual movement’s radical agenda, while gagging 2,000 years of Catholic moral teaching.
Our Lady of Fatima told Blessed Jacinta that “the sins which lead most souls to hell are sins of the flesh.”
For example:
According to reports, a “Trans-gender Awareness Week” was held at Jesuit-run Seattle University during Lent. The event promoted a “Trans-gender Bible” study and encouraged students to dress in “gender bending outfits.”
When you drop a frog into boiling water, it jumps right out. But when you put the same frog in lukewarm water and increase the temperature slowly, the frog cooks to death without reacting.
Using the slow-cooking approach, the homosexual movement has been able to establish pro-homosexual clubs at 96 Catholic universities in the United States.
That’s 45% of the Catholic universities. Here’s the full report.
These clubs sponsor events that promote the homosexual movement’s radical agenda, while gagging 2,000 years of Catholic moral teaching.
Our Lady of Fatima told Blessed Jacinta that “the sins which lead most souls to hell are sins of the flesh.”
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edwest2
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Catholics need to realize that our sense of compassion for our neighbor and the stranger has been taken advantage of. Wolves have entered into the flock, telling stories.
God bless,
Ed
God bless,
Ed
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manualman
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Interesting perspectives! I think it is most accurate to say that ND today is a secular institution with a strong catholic subculture. Sadly, that makes it no better off and in some cases worse than secular universities like the University of Illinois (Champaign) with its excellent Newmann Center.
Certainly ND is NOTHING like Franciscan University of Steubenville (OH) where there is a palpable sense that the entire purpose of the place is to strengthen the Church through education and formation.
The best point made here so far is that maybe the future holds better promise now that all the hippie priests are retiring and their example has generally NOT inspired anyone of similar mindset to want to take their place. If the religious order hangs on to control of the place long enough that younger and better priest filter in there may yet be hope. But that’s a LONG process.
Certainly ND is NOTHING like Franciscan University of Steubenville (OH) where there is a palpable sense that the entire purpose of the place is to strengthen the Church through education and formation.
The best point made here so far is that maybe the future holds better promise now that all the hippie priests are retiring and their example has generally NOT inspired anyone of similar mindset to want to take their place. If the religious order hangs on to control of the place long enough that younger and better priest filter in there may yet be hope. But that’s a LONG process.
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janman55
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The direction of any organization is determined by its leadership. Until the leadership changes it will not matter what the students or teachers do. ND will continue to wallow in secular excellence and spiritual mediocrity.
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alekzander
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Toatally agree! The wolves are now in the hen house. How do u expect a catholic university to remain truely Catholic when you have secular humanists as professors? It’s great to have open arms but not to those who are trying to destroy you.
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onetruechurch
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I would like to propose a new category for semi-Catholic Universities. I propose that schools such as Notre Dame, the Jesuit universities and other semi-Catholic Universities become Hybrid Catholic Universities. Students can get a “Catholic degree” or a secular degree according to the classes chosen and activities attended during the four years on campus. The Newman Center can then be brought to these schools where those interested in a Catholic degree can become active members. Those students who do not attend Sunday mass and receive the sacraments would not be deserving of the “Catholic” degree. If their parents are spending their hard-earned money just for the prestige and not for the Catholic influence they will get their money’s worth. When their offspring leave the church and join the Obama worshippers they won’t be surprised.
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