Novus Ordo Priest Is Fed Up

[pnewton]

This is your direct quote:

“Surely, as a priest, the man brings a level of education that is of value, when an a point is enhanced by education. However, anecdotal remains anecdotal and poor logic can still remain poor logic.”

You refer directly to him in the first sentence, which can lead readers to believe that the second is also your opinion about him. Not attacking you, but this is what it looked like to me and why I said what I did.

In that first sentence, I commented on the value of education.

If you are having trouble understanding his writings then I believe the Christian thing to do would be to contact him directly and discuss it further with him personally. This would avoid causing any speculation of his intentions or backbiting.
This is the last I will write on this.

Of course I am not going to contact him. That is not what we are about here. It is why these megaposts of blogs are discouraged in the forum rules, for those that choose to abide by them. We are supposed to discuss, not just rob from others. If everyone will note in the rules, one is supposed to only post small sections of blogs and link the rest. If I wanted to post on somebody’s blog, that is where I would be instead of here.

If you are having trouble understanding his writings then I believe the Christian thing to do would be to contact him directly and discuss it further with him personally. This would avoid causing any speculation of his intentions or backbiting.
This is the last I will write on this.

FYI - Let us not fall into the same trap here. The OP stated that everyone who did not see things his way was demonic or insane. One also should not assume that one who does not see like you is lacking in understanding. Such statements make not sense unless one thinks himself as the authority in such matters.

 

[ljubim]

I agree.

What gives me comfort is that communion in the hand is an indult, and backwards altars, a loss of head-covers, the death of Gregorian chant, etc were NOT part of VII. As the expression goes, they were in the spirit of Vatican II. The N.O. mass VII put out still instructed priests when to face the altar and when to face the congregation.

How nice it would be to see a correct Novus Ordo mass… but because of the architecture of modern churches and the habits my generation has unwittingly accepted from your generations as ok, it’s nearly impossible (I don’t mean to accuse, it’s just that from those who remember the transition do I see the most obstinancy in).

That’s why my heart belongs at the TLM, where I see the same loving devotion and respect for the Body of Christ that I hold as well. And thanks be to God, that’s where I’ll be every Sunday when I go to college next fall!

 

[irishcolleen45]

I’m a child of the 50’s and remember well the latin Mass. While I do agree that the TLM is more reverent, I prefer the readings in English.

I would like, though, to see the priest doing the Consecration with his back to the people starting with the offertory. That way he would be leading the people in worshiping God rather than the current feeling I have that the people are focusing on the priest instead of God. I could do without the Sign of Peace among the congregation as well.

My son has been attending Tridentine Mass for more than five years and currently belongs to a Tridentine parish in Texas. While he was visiting us for Christmas in NC, he refused to go to Communion because only Eucharistic Ministers were distributing the Eucharistic. The priest saying the Mass is elderly and unable to stand for long periods. He was visiting family here and was asked to say Mass because our pastor is ill and the other priest was saying the remaining Christmas Eve Masses.

We do have ordained deacons in the parish but none were there at that Mass.

My question is: should my son have accepted Communion from the Eucharistic Minister? Can he accept Communion from an ordained deacon? He attended Mass on Christmas Day at another church so that he could receive Communion.

 

[brotherhrolf]

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My question is: should my son have accepted Communion from the Eucharistic Minister? Can he accept Communion from an ordained deacon? He attended Mass on Christmas Day at another church so that he could receive Communion.

I can understand his reasoning and I normally try to receive from the priest or deacon and avoid the EMHC but Christmas Day?

The pendulum has only recently begun to swing back in the other direction. Many of us have prayed for 40+ years that it would. As Father Z is fond of saying “one brick at a time”. I would have received from the EMHC.

 

[irishcolleen45]

I can understand his reasoning and I normally try to receive from the priest or deacon and avoid the EMHC but Christmas Day?

The pendulum has only recently begun to swing back in the other direction. Many of us have prayed for 40+ years that it would. As Father Z is fond of saying “one brick at a time”. I would have received from the EMHC.

Thank you for your response. I understand his reasoning as well but I thought not receiving Communion from a Eucharistic Minister even though no priest or deacon was available was a bit much.

 

[brotherhrolf]

Thank you for your response. I understand his reasoning as well but I thought not receiving Communion from a Eucharistic Minister even though no priest or deacon was available was a bit much.

We are still part of HMC. We have to work inside HMC “one brick at a time”. The Holy Eucharist is the Holy Eucharist. Christmas? I would have received just as long as they did not insist that I receive in the hand. Domine, non sum dignus means something to me. I have never received in the hand and hope, pray that I am never required to do so.

 

[ProVobis]

Thank you for your response. I understand his reasoning as well but I thought not receiving Communion from a Eucharistic Minister even though no priest or deacon was available was a bit much.

Well, who said the Mass then, Santa Claus?

That would be one less brick, I would think.

 

[irishcolleen45]

Well, who said the Mass then, Santa Claus?

That would be one less brick, I would think.

From my original posting: The priest saying the Mass is elderly and unable to stand for long periods. He was visiting family here and was asked to say Mass because our pastor is ill and the other priest was saying the remaining Christmas Eve Masses.

 

[irishcolleen45]

We are still part of HMC. We have to work inside HMC “one brick at a time”. The Holy Eucharist is the Holy Eucharist. Christmas? I would have received just as long as they did not insist that I receive in the hand. Domine, non sum dignus means something to me. I have never received in the hand and hope, pray that I am never required to do so.

In my parish, you can receive the Holy Eucharist either on the tongue or in the hand. It’s a fairly conservative parish although doesn’t have the Tridentine Mass yet. The younger priest actually says the prayer to St. Michael after daily Mass. I’m in the Charlotte NC Diocese and Bishop Jugis is conservative. There are a number of parishes in the diocese that offer the TM.

 

[brotherhrolf]

The priest was elderly and was saying Mass to help out at the parish. Sorry, Pro Vobis, the Mass was valid as was the Eucharist.

We are not going to swing the pendulum back unless we realize that one brick at a time means just that.

 

[ProVobis]

From my original posting: The priest saying the Mass is elderly and unable to stand for long periods. He was visiting family here and was asked to say Mass because our pastor is ill and the other priest was saying the remaining Christmas Eve Masses.

Bricks, shmicks. I was responding to the poster who claimed there was no priest or deacon. At the churches I attend all (or as many as necessary to save time) the priests (or deacons) are asked to come out and distribute. But let me ask you: Is it a real problem, though, if only one priest distributes communion, even if there’s 500 people in line? Is waiting a half hour in line too long to receive the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ? Why the rush?

 

[pnewton]

But let me ask you: Is it a real problem, though, if only one priest distributes communion, even if there’s 500 people in line? Is waiting a half hour in line too long to receive the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ? Why the rush?

It can be. Time is not unlimited and is a really consideration at my parish. As we have grown so much, like many other parishes, we have no more time for more Masses on Sunday. If Mass took too much longer there would not be enough time to clear out the parking lot for the next one.

As usual, there is no free lunch.

 

[brotherhrolf]

Bricks, shmicks. I was responding to the poster who claimed there was no priest or deacon. At the churches I attend all (or as many as necessary to save time) the priests (or deacons) are asked to come out and distribute. But let me ask you: Is it a real problem, though, if only one priest distributes communion, even if there’s 500 people in line? Is waiting a half hour in line too long to receive the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ? Why the rush?

It is not a real problem to me. We had one priest, and we kneeled to receive way back when and Communion often took 20 minutes or more. Times have changed and we cannot begin to swing that pendulum back until we work within HMC. I yearn for the day when I can once again kneel and receive Our Lord as He ought to be received. Until that day I will pray and work one brick at a time.

 

[irishcolleen45]

Bricks, shmicks. I was responding to the poster who claimed there was no priest or deacon. At the churches I attend all (or as many as necessary to save time) the priests (or deacons) are asked to come out and distribute. But let me ask you: Is it a real problem, though, if only one priest distributes communion, even if there’s 500 people in line? Is waiting a half hour in line too long to receive the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ? Why the rush?

You were responding to my posting which was a response to another poster. I am the original poster. And yes, one priest cannot distribute Communion to 500 people. In my parish, there were 1700 people at the 4 PM Christmas Eve Mass as well as 700 people at the 4:15 Mass which was held at another location. The 6 PM Mass which I attended had over 1,000 people. Even though there were police directing traffic, we had a problem getting into the parking lot for the 6 PM Mass because the 4 PM Mass hadn’t fully emptied the parking lot by 5:45 PM.

 

[crm114]

BBut let me ask you: Is it a real problem, though, if only one priest distributes communion, even if there’s 500 people in line?

In our parish,when there are 500 communicants, the priest and two deacons administer communion. For smaller crowds, the priest and one deacon administer, though there is often a second deacon in the sanctuary, just kneeling through communion along with the altar servers who do not have the patens.

Where are the deacons? Administering communion is an important part of their ministry. Unless you are in Seattle, where deacons ar scarce for historical reasons, there is no excuse!

 

[Judefrancis]

It is not a real problem to me. We had one priest, and we kneeled to receive way back when and Communion often took 20 minutes or more. Times have changed and we cannot begin to swing that pendulum back until we work within HMC. I yearn for the day when I can once again kneel and receive Our Lord as He ought to be received. Until that day I will pray and work one brick at a time.

I agree totally. I never receive from Eucharistic Ministers. Never. They are not necessary. There should be no rush to receive Communion. Do the Orthodox have Eucharistic Ministers in secular clothing who distribute Communion? Not on your life. This is a Protestant invention and it must go. There are too many lay people crowding around the altar, too many busy-bodies. It is not necessary. It does not look very liturgical. It looks Protestant. This is why the Novus Ordo Mass–a Mass which is rarely valid–must be banned forever. The Third Secret of Fatima concerns apostasy in the Vatican (Vatican II), this is why the second half of the Third Secret has not yet been released.

 

[ProVobis]

And yes, one priest cannot distribute Communion to 500 people.

Again, why not? Why the rush to have it done as quickly as possible? Traffic’s no excuse. At my Christmas Mass, it took over a half hour to distribute communion. Gave the choir more of an opportunity to sing and the organ to play. Almost seemed they planned it that way. I didn’t see too many complain.

 

[glenconnor]

I think the problem isn’t the mass, it is “modern life” as it is currently termed. I am fortunate to have a fantastic parish and wonderful priests within. Unfortunately, many people are not so fortunate. I see many people chomping at the bit, as it were, to get communion and leave. Our lives are so “busy” that sometimes it is hard for us to slow down and do the important things. I do not leave myself out of this. I forget to say my prayers and do my rosary more often than I should care to admit (though finally I am getting better). Giving time to the Lord should, can be, and is joyful if you let it be. Being closer to the Lord is the purest joy we can know on this earth. We are blessed that He gives us so many avenues to be closer to Him.

I have found that saying my prayers slowly helps me feel more reverent as I say them. I have found that keeping my prayers next to my bed helps me to remember to say them. I remind myself to say little prayers frequently. It is all a matter of what is important to you. Jesus understands that we are flawed, that we will stumble and fall. The important thing is to try with a willing, happy heart and soul to be closer to Him.

 

[Akini]

It’s indeed good news that the Tridentine Mass is slowly creeping back. Novus Ordo has done so much damage in many so-called developing countries. Now, if you go to a Mass on a Sunday in a developing country, you would think you are in a Pentacostal service. The use of local languages and musical instruments would certainly make you think you are in a tribal singsing gathering or tribal feast. The Mass (Novus Ordo) has certainly lost its solemnity.

The U.S. Bishops seem to have had a lot of influence in the Vatican insofar as adoption of Novus Ordo is concerned.

All other Bishops (from other countries) just seem to sway towards what the US Bishops decide. I rather want to see decisions made in the Vatican are based on All the World’s Cardinals (bishops) rather than based on the influential ones, which in most cases come from the US.

 

[pnewton]

Traffic’s no excuse…

The way it was described, I am familar with. Traffic is not an excuse, it is a reason. If people are not able to park and get to Mass, do you think it is acceptable to start the next Mass with a handful of people as the majority trickle in during the readings over a course of fifteen minutes? Traffic may not be an issue in your parish, but I assure you in mine, it is limiting factor. Thirty minutes are needed between Masses, except for the first two, where fifteen is sufficient and that is all that is allowed.