Now we have a open lesbian working for the USCCB, advising them on health care! When does this stop?

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JacktheCatholic said:
I agree… or maybe there are things happening that we are not with knowledge of?

I pray our Pope has been making strides to correct any evils in our Church in regards to the USCCB.

That also makes me think about our so called Catholic politicians that repeatedly vote for anti-Catholic legislation and why I have not heard of any Church action against their continued and ongoing claims of being Catholic.
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I don’t know. I can only hope that there is action taking place behind the scenes that we are not aware of. But it would definitely be of some consolation to know that some sort of action is taking place whether it is behind the scenes or not.
 
bpbasilphx said:
You’re right.

Every single person who works for the USCCB should be spiritually, doctrinally, and morally pure, and they should all glow in the dark like St. Seraphim of Sarov.

And if they don’t, fire them at once.

And while we’re at it let’s examine all the ordinary faithful, starting with you, to make aure they are pure enough, too.

And if not, get the stakes and pile on the faggots (and I don’t mean to have a barbecue for bassoonists).
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***Is this a joke?? How incredibly tasteless, and how does this slip by the moderators? Selective bigotry??

Limerick***
 
Mark77 said:
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves." (Mt 7:15)

Jesus loves everyone & his Mercy is infinite. He ate with sinners, but they repented & asked for forgiveness. They didn’t flaunt their sins in His face!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

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"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

You couldn’t have said it better. And sometimes those false prophets happen to be Bishops.
My contention with this story has more to do with USCCB who hired this lesbian in the first place. Similar stories of questionably moral responsibility happen with the Canada’s Bishop’s.
 
LittleBits said:
When does what stop? Hiring qualified ppl 2 do jobs? I am gay, and Catholic, and I deserve whatever job I am qualified 4. I have a better question, when does bigotry and hate stop?
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Here in is the problem. A person who is mired down in any unrepentant mortal sin must fall into one of two categories. Either they recoginize that the sin they engage in as a grave, disordered sin, or they do not. If they understand that they sin gravely and then are unrepentant and continue unapologetic in their sin, then that shows that they have no regard for God, His commandments or His Church.

The more likely scenario are those who do not see their sin as gravely disordered. These people have a seriously deformed conscience, made more distorted every day that passes and they continue down the path apart from the Grace of God.

In both cases, the deformed conscience or the hater of God, the person is qualified to advise anyone of anything relating to Moral teaching, even remotely. I guess such a person could be a typist as long as they did not ever speak on the subject.

Note I did not identify the sin, as it could apply to anyone; a homosexual, adulterer, thief or murderer. All would be equally unqualified to consult in this area.
 
“Is there anyone who works at the UCCB in a position of influence tisn’t either gay or pro-abortion or a Democrat or an Obama cronie or has ties to the liberal left-wing Solowinski (sp?)-style Acorn groups or a combination of all the above?”

Now wait just a minute here. This guy is implying that a person should not be employed by the UCCB because they are a Democrat?

WHAT???

Hello! That is one of the most prejudiced statements I’ve ever heard, bordering on bigoted.

Whoever this Michael Vortis guy is, he needs to go back to wherever he got his STB degree and get his money back. Being a member of the Democratic party is not a reason for Scandal, which is what he is saying.

The other groups he mentions, Pro-Abortionists, Pro-gay, etc, yes…in positions of authority in the UCCB, yes, easily considered scandalous.

But he lost all credibility with me when he automatically disqualifies Democrats as unsuitable for authority positions in the UCCB. I’m a conservative Catholic, conservative Republican, but I’m in total disagreement with this guy. Such extreme positions only add fuel to the “Religious Right nut job” fire.
 
glenconnor said:
So because she’s a lesbian she can’t be an expert on health care? I mean, would you react the same way if she was an open pre-marital fornicator? It’s not like she is a practicing abortionist, which is antithetical to our health care stance.
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I’d agree to some extent, although the appearance of an openly gay person in a position of authority in the UCCB, as some have suggested, is a cause for scandal.

On the flip side, again, perhaps by being in such an environment she might be in a better position to see the error of her ways. If we looked at St. Augustine in his early life would we let him be associated with the UCCB? If this woman were to become “un-gay” during her tenure at the UCCB, would it not speak volumes for the power of the Holy Spirit? Something to think about while we pray for her and for the discernment of the UCCB brass.
 
glenconnor said:
So because she’s a lesbian she can’t be an expert on health care? I mean, would you react the same way if she was an open pre-marital fornicator? It’s not like she is a practicing abortionist, which is antithetical to our health care stance.
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And there is nothing in homosexual intercourse that is antiethical to our health care stance?
 
lizaanne said:
When is this going to end? How much worse does have to get before this garbage gets cleaned up??

youtube.com/watch?v=Rq-KeN0-QSE&feature=autofb

It is really making me sick to my stomach to continue to hear these stories - they are becoming more and more prevalent, and it is ever more glaringly obvious that something has got to be done.
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~Liza
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Hm showing the sin of anger. You should be precluded from serving in anything in the church ,afterall you are sinning too.
 
aspawloski4th said:
Hm showing the sin of anger. You should be precluded from serving in anything in the church ,afterall you are sinning too.
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If he is sinning I suspect he acknowledges same. I wonder is an “out” homosexual such as the lady in question regards herself as in sin or whether she supposes the Church is wrong.
 
bpbasilphx said:
You’re right.

Every single person who works for the USCCB should be spiritually, doctrinally, and morally pure, and they should all glow in the dark like St. Seraphim of Sarov.

And if they don’t, fire them at once.

And while we’re at it let’s examine all the ordinary faithful, starting with you, to make aure they are pure enough, too.

And if not, get the stakes and pile on the faggots (and I don’t mean to have a barbecue for bassoonists).
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All of us are sinners. If I were a murderer, I could be forgiven if I were truly contrite and asked forgiveness. If I am a murderer and go into a church and say, “Murder is my right and I disagree with the church” don’t you think that shows a rebelliousness toward the teachings of Christ? I see the argument is always: don’t judge others. Where does that end? There is sin. There is forgiveness. And there is outright flouting of God’s laws. There’s no way to get around that by being “nice” and “tolerant” and “non-judgmental”. If someone sees a rape taking place, do they do nothing because to call the police means that they are “judging”?
We’re so damn tolerant of everything in this country that we’re damning ourselves to hell.
 
lizaanne said:
When is this going to end? How much worse does have to get before this garbage gets cleaned up??
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A lot worse. And the apologists and enablers just make it better and better. It’s moral quicksand and all I can advise you to do is enjoy the ride, disappointing though it may be.
 
glenconnor said:
So because she’s a lesbian she can’t be an expert on health care? I mean, would you react the same way if she was an open pre-marital fornicator? It’s not like she is a practicing abortionist, which is antithetical to our health care stance.
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Isn’t the act of homosexuality antithetical to the teachings of the Church? (Having homosexual tendencies is not, when one is chaste and celibate.)
 
gardienbleu said:
the lavender mafia has promoted and protected its own since its ascendancy into the american catholic church hierarchy. In my opinion, this is why pederasts had been shuffled from parish to parish instead of having been laicized; why some religious orders and seminaries had become havens for sodomites; why limp-wristed liturgists had been empowered to give us limp-wristed liturgies (to paraphrase peter kreeft); why people like mary kay henry are employed by the church.

At the council of nicaea, saint athanasius was credited with stating, “the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops,” in reference to scandal caused by the heretical shepherds of his time. We need to pray for our own shepherds.
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HEAR, HEAR!!!!!:thumbsup:
 
lizaanne said:
we are all called to judge - how else would we ever know the difference between sin and holiness if we never had the gift of judgment? This situation must be judged against what is right and wrong - there is no gray area here, how she is living her life is wrong. Does that mean we don’t pray for her? No. Does that mean we don’t wish she ends up in heaven? No. But it does mean that this is a sign of deeper issues within the usccb if they would employ anyone who openly flaunts a morally sinful lifestyle.

Think of it this way. You own a company that makes widgets. You have an employee who hates and despises widgets and talks about his dislike for them all over town, has a sign on his car about how horrible they are, and posts on the internet about how he feels that it is perfectly ok to speak out about widgets. This guy happens to be who you go to for advice on how to run your company. Why in the world would you ever employ such a person? 🤷 It simply does not make sense.

If this woman wants to do her job, fine, she can do it somewhere else. If she wants to live a morally sinful life in total opposition of the catholic faith, then fine, let her do that elsewhere. She should absolutely not be doing it within the usccb!!! It is beyond scandalous, it is embarrassing and makes a mockery of everything the church teaches on homosexuality.

And i want to know who within the usccb thinks it is perfectly acceptable to have her there. Their presence there also needs to be questioned.

~liza
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amen and amen!!!!!!
 
What if the unrepentant sinner hired by the USCCB was, instead of a practicing homosexual, a pornographer who declared that there was nothing wrong with pornography, they were proud to be a pornographer, and they don’t care what the Church says? Would that be OK too?

The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches “2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.” Pornography and homosexual practices are in the same category of sins. So, why is it acceptable to have a practicing homosexual working for the USCCB if it would not also be acceptable to have a pornographer?

The Church teaches that homosexual practices are grave matter for sin. So why hire someone for a high visibility, very public job who is flaunting that teaching - by their actions saying that the Church is wrong in what it is teaching.
 
Moscati said:
Has anyone seen this yet?

catholicnewsagency.com/news/usccb_clarifies_involvement_with_controversial_expert/

It seems to me that this woman is not an employee of the USCCB–she works for a labor union. A USCCB subcommittee consulted with the labor union on healthcare, and she was who the labor union sent as a representative. That’s not the same thing as “the bishops hired a lesbian”, IMHO. She’s not in a position of authority.
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Yes, this is the important fact. She’s not an employee. She’s a committe member. Did the rest of the posters not get this?

I certainly hope that the Bishop’s don’t only consult people that agree with them. If everyone agreed with them, there would be no need for consultation, right? I think the Bishops need to know everyone’s struggle for access to quality health care. They are smart enough to know Church policy and canons and filter the things they don’t agree with, but still have to deal with.

If you present a policy suggestion in Washington that can’t live on it’s own because it doesn’t deal with the real world, it will die. It’s different if you present a policy suggestion that people don’t agree with but is rooted in reality. Then you can persuade people.
 
Judge not lest you be judged. However I think something should be done by those in the Vatican and the Pope.

We should pray for our Bishops , it seems to me that there going against alot of what the Church teaches on morality.
 
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