Nra calls for armed police officer in every school

[oldcatholicguy]

I would like to think that the police officer should be undercover that way he is more effective that way than a uniformed officer.

Where are you less likely to speed-
a- a part of the road that routinely has highly visible police patrols and or marked police vehicles on the side of the road

or

b- a part of the road you never see a marked police car on

If the purpose of a police presence at school is to deter attacks than the police need to be visible (in uniform).

 

[dshix]

That is why we need massive gun searches. Random neighborhoods should be searched daily. We might need an amendment for this.

Any illegal gun should carry an automatic sentence of five years hard labor. We should also give tax credits to people who turn in people with illegal guns. Bonuses should be given to people who turn in family members, and special bonuses for kids who turn in their parents. No need for an amendment for these.

Are you advocating communism?

 

[oldcatholicguy]

That is why we need massive gun searches. Random neighborhoods should be searched daily. We might need an amendment for this.

Any illegal gun should carry an automatic sentence of five years hard labor. We should also give tax credits to people who turn in people with illegal guns. Bonuses should be given to people who turn in family members, and special bonuses for kids who turn in their parents. No need for an amendment for these.

So in other words throw out the document our government, society, and legal system are founded upon. Yeah, I think not.

 

[colmywaykurtz]

As a cop who teaches police officers to respond to this kind of violence, this is an excellant solution, however, there are not nearly enough police officers to pull this off.

There’s also another problem: the schools. We’ve had SRO (School Resource Officer) possitions eliminated in my jurisdiction because the SCHOOL didn’t want armed officers in their school. The department was not willing to unarm their officer - which is a good thing - and the School eliminated the possition from their funding.

Then we need something like a Manhattan Project of police training and deployment. SRO directives against armed officers need to be overriden by federal order.

And Congress needs to raise taxes and fund this thing (among others)!

 

[livingwordunity]

That is why we need massive gun searches. Random neighborhoods should be searched daily. We might need an amendment for this.

Any illegal gun should carry an automatic sentence of five years hard labor. We should also give tax credits to people who turn in people with illegal guns. Bonuses should be given to people who turn in family members, and special bonuses for kids who turn in their parents. No need for an amendment for these.

Are you advocating communism?

I think he’s being sarcastic.

 

[dshix]

I think he’s being sarcastic.

Are you sure?

 

[gilliam]

Please define “assault weapon” before calling for a ban on them. What do you mean by that.

And how large is a “large clip”?

Probably any clip over 10 rounds would be a large clip in my view. That is the same as the old Federal Assault Weapons Ban.

I understand assault weapon is not a standard term. We could start with the definition in the law that was in effect in the past though. That criteria is listed here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Criteria_of_an_assault_weapon

 

[Fused_Participl]

Are you advocating communism?

My post says nothing about the means of production.

 

[Fused_Participl]

So in other words throw out the document our government, society, and legal system are founded upon. Yeah, I think not.

I specifically said we might need an amendment. Obviously, I am not calling for throwing out the Constitution. I am calling for only a single amendment.

 

[Tingo]

I think it is obvious that there is something, or things, which sets the US apart from other gun-owning societies, which is responsible for the unusually high, but still rare, incidence of mass shootings of unarmed people, especially school children and students.

Some possibilities are the existence of “gun culture”, the lack of social welfare systems of the west European type (leading to alienation), very large schools, multi-generational drug use, etc.

But it is also obvious that the easy availability of guns contributes to the problem. People without guns don’t use guns to kill people.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

I specifically said we might need an amendment. Obviously, I am not calling for throwing out the Constitution. I am calling for only a single amendment.

Yes because calling for an amendment that would effectively cancel out at least 2 other (2nd and 4th) and possibly 4 (9th and 10th) amendments is in no way throwing out the Constitution. For some reason reading your posts make me glad I’m not a billy goat.

 

[MaryT777]

As a cop who teaches police officers to respond to this kind of violence, this is an excellant solution, however, there are not nearly enough police officers to pull this off.

There’s also another problem: the schools. We’ve had SRO (School Resource Officer) possitions eliminated in my jurisdiction because the SCHOOL didn’t want armed officers in their school. The department was not willing to unarm their officer - which is a good thing - and the School eliminated the possition from their funding.

Any School with out an armed guard, these days, should be sued for not preparing for what, statistically, will be many times more likely to hurt or kill your children in school than anything else: violence.

As I’ve said on several other threads now: We spend MILLIONS of dollars on schools for what is considered ‘overlapping, multi-layered, redunant safety systems’ when it comes to school fire. The floor tiles, the carpet, the chairs, the doors, the paint the wall boards, the desks, the ceiling tiles have only one requirement for your school: That they are FIRE resistant / fire proof.

How many kids have been killed or injured in a school fire in the US in the last 50+ years? NONE ZERO ZILCH NADA. Yet we still have sprinkler systems, fire drills, fire safety awareness…

And howmany children killed or injured in school violence each year? At the time 1999 was an All time record with 35 killed and A QUARTER OF A MILLION INJURED IN SCHOOL VIOLENCE. How many killed / injured in School fire that year? Zero

But wasn’t that the year of Columbine? Yes. So the stastic is skewed? Negative Ghost Rider. 2004 was a new record: 48 killed and still HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS INJURED in SCHOOL VIOLENCE. How many killed / injured in school fire that year? Zero

I could go on and on but I’ll leave it to the experts. Here’s two articles that detail our DENIAL and a soultion: ret. Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is the world’s leading expert in the phychology of human to human agression, i.e. Combat, which is EXACTLY what is happening in our schools: war.

policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Active-shooters-in-schools-The-enemy-is-denial/

policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/6067353-Newtown-shooting-Why-Minutemen-can-protect-against-active-shooters/

GOD HELP US ALL!

Mary: Thank you for this very informative post; I totally agree.

 

[SamH]

That is why we need massive gun searches. Random neighborhoods should be searched daily. We might need an amendment for this.

Any illegal gun should carry an automatic sentence of five years hard labor. We should also give tax credits to people who turn in people with illegal guns. Bonuses should be given to people who turn in family members, and special bonuses for kids who turn in their parents. No need for an amendment for these.

So it will be like Ukrane in 1935?

Will we have to sing the national anthem before we start work each day?

 

[SamH]

Why is it illegal to own bombs? They are “arms” and the constitution apparently gives you the right to own them. This question seems to get ignored.

I guess your right. I’m liberal and an assault weapons ban would make me feel good. There’s no need for them at all. They were designed to kill many people in a short amount of time and should only be available to military and law enforcement.

Why?

 

[J_Peterson]

Why?

Because they make it too easy to kill a large number of people in a short amount of time. Now why wouldn’t me owning a truck bomb not be covered by the 2nd amendment?

 

[shockerfan]

Any gun that can fire more than one shot without being reloaded should be illegal. All handguns should be illegal.

So the people that use hand guns, or something more than muskets, to defend themselves are just out of luck? A study by a criminology professor at Florida State estimated 1.5M to 2.5M defensive gun uses a year.

I would suggest that if you are going to remove law abiding citizens ability to use guns to protect themselves, then you also need to tell those that have already defended themselves that society is better off if they had been raped or murdered. That somehow their ability to defend themselves with a gun is a threat to you.

 

[Schism_hater]

Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Peterson
Why is it illegal to own bombs? They are “arms” and the constitution apparently gives you the right to own them. This question seems to get ignored.

I guess your right. I’m liberal and an assault weapons ban would make me feel good. There’s no need for them at all. They were designed to kill many people in a short amount of time and should only be available to military and law enforcement.

SamH: Why?

Because there is no rational reason for non-military or law enforcement citizens to have the ability to kill large numbers of people. There just isn’t. Obviously.

 

[SamH]

Because they make it too easy to kill a large number of people in a short amount of time. Now why wouldn’t me owning a truck bomb not be covered by the 2nd amendment?

Why do you fear law abiding citizens owning firearms that shoot multiple rounds? What are you doing that makes you think law abiding citizens might be a threat to you?

 

[SamH]

Because there is no rational reason for non-military or law enforcement citizens to have the ability to kill large numbers of people. There just isn’t. Obviously.

Just curious, would it have been rational for a law abiding citizen to use such a weapon against Adam Lanza when he killing 5 and 6 year olds?

 

[Cider]

I think that an armed police officer in every school would be a great idea. I also think that the number of armed police officers should increase per school depending on the size of the school.

Yes I agree.

I also think we should severely limit gun free zones.