Nra calls for armed police officer in every school

[TimeEntrance]

The more guns in the system, and the more people have guns, the less likely a criminal is going to attempt a crime in an public area. If you were a criminal, and you’re walking down a street, and you are aware that EVERY SINGLE PERSON has a gun, you are not gonna start shooting; you’ll get shot.

The Police Chief of Milwaukee would disagree with you.

Mainly because the majority of people shot in Milwaukee have criminals records and the vast majority of them are shot by people who have criminal records, he would tell you.

Basically, if you’re truly a so-called “law abiding citizen” you don’t really need a gun per the odds. Because criminals typically shoot criminals (many of whom use or have guns themselves) and not law abiding citizens with no guns.

Robbery without being shot is another matter I suppose. The British (even their atheists) might tell you your pocket wallet with a few bucks or few hundred bucks in it or your watch or earrings are not worth killing another person (robber) over.

One of the first steps in killing people–gang members and military troops like using this all the time–is to dehumanize the other person you regard as enemy. You give them labels and ignore their humanity.

But I’m kind of with you on shooting or even killing people. I like to think of myself above the usual immature polemics of labels and fully realize the person I kill is human and if he has a mother or child I’m going to put him in a casket and cause his mother and child to be broken in tears crying over him.

Most petty criminals I don’t think I want to kill. Actually, I’m pretty certain I don’t. I don’t even desire to injure them severely with a bullet. Prior to being shot myself I didn’t feel this way. But due to my pathetic weakness–which leaves me vulnerable at times to urban predators–I don’t want to see most others go through the physical (which becomes psychological due to the level of pain, not being able to drink water, eat, get out of bed, defecate, or pass wind, at least when shot in the ab) pain I went through. I especially hate for that to happen to a small child.

But there are some criminals or persons with no criminal records my heart does not care about shooting and/or killing. Actually, my heart is not saintly and some of these I would prefer to tear apart with something more personal like a knife, bat, or my bare hands.

But I’m aware of that darkness in my heart and I’m trying to battle it and work on it. The path to salvation says the Lord is narrow, and the path to destruction wide.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

You are really going to pretend to be this obtuse? You never heard of Andrea Yates? Drove her 5 kids into a lake killing them all in Texas? or the other instances of this happening?

Exactly two pages of googling “women drowned kids” turned up…(not all results were women, but they usually do this)

Lashandra Armstrong, drowned herself and her 3 kids in the Hudson river

Sonia Blanchette of Quebec, drowned her 3 kids.

Susan Smith drowned her two sons

Lorna Valle of Los Angeles drowned one daughter, the other was saved in time but suffered brain damage.

Julia Murray drowned her two kids

Derrick Ivory drowned two twins, a boy and a girl

Chelsea Thornton drowned her daughter

Leonardo Espinal of the Bronx drowned his son

Allyson McConnel of Alberta Canada drowned her two sons

And saving the worst for last, Tiffany Hall, who after cuttung the unborn child from another women then drowned that womens three kids in the tub.

Thats 25 dead CHILDREN, by means of water, so again I ask you; what proposed regulations do you have to end this horrible scourge of lungs failing when filled with water?

Requiring a permit to keep over 500mL of water in your home at any time? Draining all bodies of water large enough to accept a vehicle?

Your ideas have been genius thus far, I’m sure you have the solutions.

I remember a couple of those, now that you bring them up. Once again, water was not designed to kill, as guns were. These recent events have shooters going after their victims with GUNS.

Now, we can’t control that which God has made; e.g. WATER. We can however control guns, through several controls.

Lastly, let’s end our discussion. I grow tired of your condescension, and those ‘wild’ comparisons. I sense you only quote me for some other reason.

God bless you on your journey.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

You know, prodigal, I think you’re just trying to find reasons to disagree with me at this point. If you want to find proof for my points, just go look up cities with extremely high gun ownership rates; and their crime rates.

I need to stop posting, heh, this thread is sucking up my day!

I wasn’t trying to argue. I was only pointing out that two of those killed were policemen.

 

[Blacksword]

I’m not reading 47 pages of posts so I don’t know if this has been brought up or not yet, but while the thread seems to have wandered from the NRA’s actual suggestion here, I have a very practical question: how much, precisely, would having a cop in EVERY school in America cost the average taxpayer? Has anyone considered the lunacy of this idea? Would the NRA’s overwhelmingly conservative right-wing base really sign on to such a massive growth in state and local government and tax increases that this would entail? Seriously, that’s ALOT more cops on the city payroll folks.

In fact, when one considers this, and the political makeup of the NRA’s membership and their feelings about public expenditures (i.e. taxes), well, I don’t want to sound cynical or anything, but one might almost suspect they weren’t being altogether genuine with this idea of theirs…

 

[dshix]

I’m not reading 47 pages of posts so I don’t know if this has been brought up or not yet, but while the thread seems to have wandered from the NRA’s actual suggestion here, I have a very practical question: how much, precisely, would having a cop in EVERY school in America cost the average taxpayer? Has anyone considered the lunacy of this idea? Would the NRA’s overwhelmingly conservative right-wing base really sign on to such a massive growth in state and local government and tax increases that this would entail? Seriously, that’s ALOT more cops on the city payroll folks.

In fact, when one considers this, and the political makeup of the NRA’s membership and their feelings about public expenditures (i.e. taxes), well, I don’t want to sound cynical or anything, but one might almost suspect they weren’t being altogether genuine with this idea of theirs…

It would cost less than what Planned Parenthood gets. Or the 6-figure retirement pensions teachers get. (up to a max of 250k)

 

[SamH]

I’m not reading 47 pages of posts so I don’t know if this has been brought up or not yet, but while the thread seems to have wandered from the NRA’s actual suggestion here, I have a very practical question: how much, precisely, would having a cop in EVERY school in America cost the average taxpayer? Has anyone considered the lunacy of this idea? Would the NRA’s overwhelmingly conservative right-wing base really sign on to such a massive growth in state and local government and tax increases that this would entail? Seriously, that’s ALOT more cops on the city payroll folks.

In fact, when one considers this, and the political makeup of the NRA’s membership and their feelings about public expenditures (i.e. taxes), well, I don’t want to sound cynical or anything, but one might almost suspect they weren’t being altogether genuine with this idea of theirs…

A conservative group makes a suggestion that would save lives and cost a few dollars and liberals suddenly become tight fisted Scots. I guess when the money is truly spent “For the childen” instead of the teachers’ unions their concern wains…

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

A conservative group makes a suggestion that would save lives and cost a few dollars and liberals suddenly become tight fisted Scots. I guess when the money is truly spent “For the childen” instead of the teachers’ unions their concern wains…

Why not tax guns and ammo, to contribute to those salaries?

 

[InigoMontoya]

It would cost less than what Planned Parenthood gets. Or the 6-figure retirement pensions teachers get. (up to a max of 250k)

ROFL, six figure retirement packages for teachers… Oh my…

I’m not reading 47 pages of posts so I don’t know if this has been brought up or not yet, but while the thread seems to have wandered from the NRA’s actual suggestion here, I have a very practical question: how much, precisely, would having a cop in EVERY school in America cost the average taxpayer? Has anyone considered the lunacy of this idea? Would the NRA’s overwhelmingly conservative right-wing base really sign on to such a massive growth in state and local government and tax increases that this would entail?

There’s already a few studies out, it’s surprisingly reasonable on a property tax levy basis. One must remember though that many schools already have officers stationed in them, while other schools used to have them but asked that they leave - as some didn’t want even pice officers armed.

 

[Blacksword]

It would cost less than what Planned Parenthood gets. Or the 6-figure retirement pensions teachers get. (up to a max of 250k)

Six figure retirement pensions, lol!! Yeah, it’s those fat-cat teachers who make out like bandits in America today!.

 

[InigoMontoya]

Six figure retirement pensions, lol!! Yeah, it’s those fat-cat teachers who make out like bandits in America today!.

Shh… Don’t let out our secret plan for world domination!

Dshix, outside of a handful of places like Manhatten and a few Cali locations with exceptionally high costs of living… Most teachers earn a paltry salary and paltry pension. Honestly, I struggle to grasp how many of them raise families.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I’m not reading 47 pages of posts so I don’t know if this has been brought up or not yet, but while the thread seems to have wandered from the NRA’s actual suggestion here, I have a very practical question: how much, precisely, would having a cop in EVERY school in America cost the average taxpayer? Has anyone considered the lunacy of this idea? Would the NRA’s overwhelmingly conservative right-wing base really sign on to such a massive growth in state and local government and tax increases that this would entail? Seriously, that’s ALOT more cops on the city payroll folks.

In fact, when one considers this, and the political makeup of the NRA’s membership and their feelings about public expenditures (i.e. taxes), well, I don’t want to sound cynical or anything, but one might almost suspect they weren’t being altogether genuine with this idea of theirs…

You’re right. We are basically saying that if liberals want to disarm America, then we need to turn this country into a bonafide police state, complete with armed paramilitary units wandering the streets asking everyone for their papers.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

A conservative group makes a suggestion that would save lives and cost a few dollars and liberals suddenly become tight fisted Scots. I guess when the money is truly spent “For the childen” instead of the teachers’ unions their concern wains…

Right. Basically the NRA in one small public conference put the liberals on notice that they are control-freak hypocrites.

 

[Blacksword]

A conservative group makes a suggestion that would save lives and cost a few dollars and liberals suddenly become tight fisted Scots. I guess when the money is truly spent “For the childen” instead of the teachers’ unions their concern wains…

I’m no “liberal” thank you. I’m happily undefinable by the pathetic tribalistic political camps in contemporary American politics. I try to align with Church teaching on all matters of social justice rather, so I can’t speak for whether “liberals” are tight-fisted, but I AM Scots, and a little offended at this ethnic slur! Most who know me would say I’m pretty generous in fact so so much for such nasty stereotypes.

Be that as it may though, the expense of this idea would be absurd and 15 seconds of thought will bear that out. Lets take an average metropolitan statistical area like Minneapolis-St. Paul. There are around 170 public schools in the area…in a larger lace like Chicago or San Francisco easily twice that number…but many metro areas in the U.S. would reflect similar numbers. That’s 170 or so new cops needing hiring in that metro area alone. If they earn around 50,000 in salary a year, and have pensions health care and other benefits costing an additional 25,000 or so a year, that’s 12,750,000 a year in additional city funds needed for the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro region ALONE. Yeah, I think that’s quite a lot more than the fat-cat teacher’s unions are making, lol!

 

[Blacksword]

ROFL, six figure retirement packages for teachers… Oh my…

There’s already a few studies out, it’s surprisingly reasonable on a property tax levy basis. One must remember though that many schools already have officers stationed in them, while other schools used to have them but asked that they leave - as some didn’t want even pice officers armed.

This is interesting to hear. I cannot really see how this wouldn’t be a massive public expense for taxpayers to bear, I’d be interested in seeing some reliable numbers on what most could expect to pay in additional property or city taxes.

 

[InigoMontoya]

This is interesting to hear. I cannot really see how this wouldn’t be a massive public expense for taxpayers to bear, I’d be interested in seeing some reliable numbers on what most could expect to pay in additional property or city taxes.

There’s been a number of local news agencies who’ve already estimated the math. The lowest figure I heard was in Oklahoma, approximately $15 million a year. With just under 4 million people, would average out to about $5 a person in additional state taxes. I wouldn’t bet on that being an exceptionally accurate number though.

I’ve seen a few urban cities state it’d be close to $200 a year per student, if the school district handled it.

Personally, I don’t think placing officers in every school is really a worthwhile option, although I do think a few teachers at each school should be allowed to conceal carry. Albeit with even further background checks and regular documented professional training and qualifying.

 

[SamH]

I’m no “liberal” thank you. I’m happily undefinable by the pathetic tribalistic political camps in contemporary American politics.

 

[SamH]

Be that as it may though, the expense of this idea would be absurd and 15 seconds of thought will bear that out. Lets take an average metropolitan statistical area like Minneapolis-St. Paul. There are around 170 public schools in the area…in a larger lace like Chicago or San Francisco easily twice that number…but many metro areas in the U.S. would reflect similar numbers. That’s 170 or so new cops needing hiring in that metro area alone. If they earn around 50,000 in salary a year, and have pensions health care and other benefits costing an additional 25,000 or so a year, that’s 12,750,000 a year in additional city funds needed for the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro region ALONE. Yeah, I think that’s quite a lot more than the fat-cat teacher’s unions are making, lol!

Source?

 

[dshix]

Shh… Don’t let out our secret plan for world domination!

Dshix, outside of a handful of places like Manhatten and a few Cali locations with exceptionally high costs of living… Most teachers earn a paltry salary and paltry pension. Honestly, I struggle to grasp how many of them raise families.

Oh, I do not of course deny that there are teacher families that struggle. However, I am making reference to the fact that in certain locations, teachers are getting ridiculously high pensions, and still demanding more!!

It just goes to show how bad things are going.

 

[TimeEntrance]

Shh… Don’t let out our secret plan for world domination!

Dshix, outside of a handful of places like Manhatten and a few Cali locations with exceptionally high costs of living… Most teachers earn a paltry salary and paltry pension. Honestly, I struggle to grasp how many of them raise families.

One of my brothers is a public school teacher and with the combined income of his and his wife they don’t earn all that much. He has a master degree in fine arts and is working on a second masters but this time in education. His wife is a course shy of her bachelor degree I think.

They have three kids and can afford much less than what our grandparents could in the trades and factory work of breweries with either no diploma from grade school or no education beyond high school. And our grandparents were one income households with large families (7 and 12 kids or so).

Frankly, I think elementary and high school teachers–and they often incur debt through college–should be well compensated for their knowledge and labor. Anyone with a Ph.D. (which I don’t habe and may never have) rates, or at least is not wrong, if earning in the six figures.

 

[Moore11]

I’m no “liberal” thank you. I’m happily undefinable by the pathetic tribalistic political camps in contemporary American politics.

That is exactly what an elitist, NPR, Obama supporter would say!

I see that you are just too good for all that “tribalistic” nonsense. those of us who are not enlightened should take heed.