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Moore11
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how dare you attack teachers! You puppy kicker! Teachers are above criticism.
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InigoMontoya
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That’s an absolutely trivial percentage of teachers, and the cost of livIng does change dramatically across the nation. Please don’t attack the 95%+ teachers who never earn anything close to that yet alone, have pensions such as that.
Cheers for your brother and his wife. It’s a noble profession, that requires significant sacrifice. I’m not sure if you meant to say that having a doctorate brings a six figure income in education, but it certainly doesn’t,. While I teach at the university level, I’m very familiar with the regional schools and can absolutely guarantee that’s not the case. I know many people with doctorates, who from working in education, are only bringing home 45-60k a year.
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Blacksword
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Sorry, but what’s funny?
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SamH
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Your comment.Sorry, but what’s funny?
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Blacksword
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Source? Umm, math?
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SamH
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Source of the number of schools. What school districts make up the area included in claim. The population base that supports those districts. Source of the $50,000 a year salary for the police officer.
Math is easy when you don’t do any.
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InigoMontoya
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You should be easily able to google the number of schools yourself and the population if you don’t already have an approximate idea. Honestly though, that’s a fairly reasonable estimate for a metro area of that size. As for the salary and benefit compensation figures, any googling will lead you to the knowledge you seek.
It really befuddles me, why so many people here cry source, when the answers are basically at their fingertips.
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SamH
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I didn’t make the completely unsubstantiated claim.
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centurionguard
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Being one who lives outside the United States, but has many American relatives, I have tried long and hard to understand the “American Gun Culture”. In the United States today, I would think it’s futile to think that it’s possible to eliminate and/or prevent criminals and deranged individuals from acquiring guns. I think most law abiding Americans wish there were controlled restrictions in place considering the culture of violence and death ingrained in many local high populated societies. There are far too many easy resources to gun ownership both by legal process and the black market.
In reality Police Forces in the U.S. have become stretched to a point where their pooled resources are far more engaged as an investigative force rather than a crime prevention organization. In his book “More Guns, Less Crime” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime popular American economist John Lott has compiled extensive data initially to prove as ludicrous as it sounds that “More Gun Ownership actual equates to Less Crime.” In short the author found in studies that the higher the gun ownership amongst citizens, the less crimes per capita in certain cities.
Take Washington, D.C. for example. They presently have the strictest gun laws than anywhere in the American nation. Conversely however; Washington, D.C. also has the highest statistical rate of gun-related crimes anywhere on U.S. soil. Author John Lott also presents evidence that government enforced gun control laws simply don’t work.
A criminal is more likely to pick a crime that will meet the least amount of resistance and the risk of getting caught. It is also important to understand the history behind the so called U.S. gun culture.
Many U.S. citizens have used this term “Gun Culture” to describe their views against gun ownership. Every culture within society has a history which directly reflects the current state of that said society. In this case, in order to understand the preferences to “gun ownership”, we must delve into past history.
When one looks at the history of United States, we see a nation which was settled by individuals whose only means of survival and protection was from that of a gun. We see a nation that has won the right of freedom by war.
The United States, Second Amendment was penned and adopted on Dec. 15th, 1791 as a result of this freedom gained. Every generation since that event has taught their children and grandchildren of the price paid to be free today and to protect that right at all costs.
This mindset is very much ingrained in American culture to present day.
As for myself living outside the United States, I don’t profess to have all the answers to solving unending gun crimes. It’s obvious from a grave moral stance our societies are changing not only in America but all over the world. Essentially; we have completely lost fear and belief in God let alone Faith.
We live in a society today where it’s unacceptable to say Merry Christmas. And to think that United States aside from the rest of North America was settled by mostly Christian settlers.
Strange when one reads a popular circulated Facebook post that even made news in major global media on television and newspapers; a T-shirt that reads; Dear God, why do you allow so much violence in our schools? “Signed, Concerned Student”. I’m not allowed in schools. “Signed, God”. The problems in society today are much bigger than just inanimate material objects we see within the gun culture.
Has God turned a blind eye on us? Or is it that (“we”) in our societies and culture wars mixed with arrogance and flaunting egos have turned a blind eye on God?
Fraternally In the Peace of Christ Jesus
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Blacksword
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Wow, “elitist”! Um, I didn’t vote for Obama, I wrote in a Republican as Romney I found unacceptable as well. I’m pro-life and have marched in the right to life march twice actually, I do not support gay marriage, embryonic stem cell research, or “right to die” measures. I generally support capitalism as an overall better economic approach on the macro-level than anything else ever invented. I distrust and am wary for the most part of government intervention and growth…so how am I a liberal exactly? But thanks, glad you think you know me!
That is exactly what an elitist, NPR, Obama supporter would say!
I see that you are just too good for all that “tribalistic” nonsense. those of us who are not enlightened should take heed.
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wondrousgnat
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There are more than 100,000 schools in America. Will we use billions in tax dollars to fund the armed guards or will the NRA pay for them?
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SamH
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How much do you think we’ll spent enforcing laws that don’t do anything and imprisoning people like David Gregory?
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Scott_Lafrance
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No. I think that the people who want America to be unarmed should pay for them.
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Blacksword
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Ah, ok. A simple Google search brings you the number of schools in the Minneapolis public school district and St. Paul public school district: it’s 100 for Minneapolis and 67 for St. Paul. The average salary is $50,454 according to Salary Wizard and total compensation is $72K: swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/police-officer-Salary-Details-Minneapolis-St.-Paul-MN.aspx
The Internet is truly awesome, isn’t it?
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SamH
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Just wanted to know where your numbers came from.Ah, ok. A simple Google search brings you the number of schools in the Minneapolis public school district and St. Paul public school district: it’s 100 for Minneapolis and 67 for St. Paul. The average salary is $50,454 according to Salary Wizard and total compensation is $72K: swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/police-officer-Salary-Details-Minneapolis-St.-Paul-MN.aspx
The Internet is truly awesome, isn’t it?
So you now have a national average for a police officer (including BATF and FBI agents), what is the cost for an officer on limited guard duty in Minnesota? How many of those schools already have a resource officer? Average cost per resident in St Paul-Minneapolis $3 per person using your inflated numbers. Average tax burden for the school districts is $660 per household.
Cost to implement and enforce laws that won’t stop school shootings?
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dshix
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Heh, if you think I was attacking teachers, you missed what I was trying to say.
I have nothing against teachers, (except the ones which demand more benefits after they are already loaded with benefits) but rather I was attempting to bring attention to the fact that the government is badly corrupted. I have not recently done much searching in this area, being quite busy, but I am and have been in the past aware that government for some reason gives out a LOT of money for all kinds of ridiculous things. These things soak up and waste that money, and it ends up not being used on worthy things.
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Blacksword
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Well I don’t think my numbers are inflated, they seem pretty reasonable to me. You’d need some pretty serious policy wonks and statisticians to really get an accurate picture of what this might cost for a typical family. I suspect it would be considerably more than $3 per person though at the end of the day, but that’s a suspicion only.
The point is this seems a huge growth in government, and armed government agents at that, suggested by a group whose membership are generally not fans of government growth, to say the least.
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InigoMontoya
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My apologies, for the misunderstanding. Cheers
It’s true, people in government waste a lot of money on ridiculous things. The notion that businesses are less wasteful has always perplexed me though. Having worked in the private sector with and for several Fortune 300 companies, major consulting firms, and government institutions… I’ve seen pretty much equal waste everywhere, outside of best-in-class businesses or departments. With just the common denominator of big organizations and bureaucracies tend to become a bit heavy and wasteful regardless of their private/government/non-profit status. Yet at the same time, it’s been exceptionally rare that I’ve seen many small/mid sized outfits even be aware yet alone adhere to their industries regulatory legislation.
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mary_bobo
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But the difference is that if businesses are wasteful the fact remains that it is their money. The government is wasteful with our money.My apologies, for the misunderstanding. Cheers
It’s true, people in government waste a lot of money on ridiculous things. The notion that businesses are less wasteful has always perplexed me though. Having worked in the private sector with and for several Fortune 300 companies, major consulting firms, and government institutions… I’ve seen pretty much equal waste everywhere, outside of best-in-class businesses or departments. With just the common denominator of big organizations and bureaucracies tend to become a bit heavy and wasteful regardless of their private/government/non-profit status. Yet at the same time, it’s been exceptionally rare that I’ve seen many small/mid sized outfits even be aware yet alone adhere to their industries regulatory legislation.
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dshix
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