Where was Sister’s “peacekeeping” mission then? Why was she not standing up for those coerced against their will?
For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. Let’s get the facts straight here. Religious orders are not under investigation by the Vatican. The religious congregations of women religious who belong to the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) are being investigated and the Legionaires of Christ. No other group is under investigation. All other groups are considered to be orthodox and in good standing with the Church.
Which congregations are the ones associated with the LCWR? I’m not familiar with that group.Let’s get the facts straight here. Religious orders are not under investigation by the Vatican. The religious congregations of women religious who belong to the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) are being investigated and the Legionaires of Christ. No other group is under investigation. All other groups are considered to be orthodox and in good standing with the Church.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
Here is their website. I don’t know if it lists the congregations that belong. If you notice, men religious are not included and neither are the traditional religious communities of women, nor religious orders of nuns. The only groups being investigated are congregations of sisters, not orders of sisters, not institutes and societies of sisters, not secular orders of women, nor orders of nuns. This investigation is not as big as the media and some people on CAF have made it out to be. It only covers about 60,000 women religious from more than 100,000 religious in the USA.Which congregations are the ones associated with the LCWR? I’m not familiar with that group.
LOL. Nope. They are not interchangeable. Each group has a very specific place in the Church and very specific bonds, rights, obligations, boundaries and lifestyles.
Where?Here is their website. I don’t know if it lists the congregations that belong. If you notice, men religious are not included and neither are the traditional religious communities of women, nor religious orders of nuns. The only groups being investigated are congregations of sisters, not orders of sisters, not institutes and societies of sisters, not secular orders of women, nor orders of nuns. This investigation is not as big as the media and some people on CAF have made it out to be. It only covers about 60,000 women religious from more than 100,000 religious in the USA.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
Hi, Brother……The religious congregations of women religious who belong to the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) are being investigated and the Legionaires of Christ. No other group is under investigation. All other groups are considered to be orthodox and in good standing with the Church.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
wow, I never knew it was so complicated. I always thought a nun and a sister were the same thing. How would you address a nun, then? Would she still be Sister Jane or something else?LOL. Nope. They are not interchangeable. Each group has a very specific place in the Church and very specific bonds, rights, obligations, boundaries and lifestyles.
Religious men and women come in the following sizes, LOL
Orders
Congregation
Society
Institute
Women religious are either sisters or nuns. They are not the same.
Men religious are: monks, friars, clerks and canons. they are not the same.
The vows are not the same either.
Some communities make solemn vows and some make simple vows.
The governance is not the same either. Orders are governed by a rule and constitutions. All the rest are governed by constitutions or statutes.
Some communities are of Pontifical Right and others are of Diocesan Right. The canons that govern them are very different. Communities of Pontifical Right are subject ONLY to their major superior and the Vatican. Communities of Diocesan Right are subject ot their major superior, the local bishop and the Vatican.
Among women religious only nuns can make solemn vows. Sisters make simple vows.
Among men religious orders of monks and orders of friars always make solemn vows, the others depend on when they were founded. The Church forbade the founding of new religious orders after the foundation of the Franciscans in the 1200s. All other communities of men founded after that were clerks regular, canons, congregations and societies. They usually make simple vows, though the Jesuits are a society of clerks regular and they make solemn vows. Congregations never make solemn vows.
Religious in solemn vows may never own property. Religious in simple vows may own property if the constitution of their community allows it.
Religious in solemn vows may never express their opinion without the permission of their superior. Said another way, the superior can mandate that they reserve their opinions to themselves. We may not ask questions, unless we’re allowed to do so by our superiors. We must always obey. We have no voice in our future or the selection of oiur assignments.
Religious in simple vows have more flexibility in the area of obedience, according to the constitution of their community. It depends on what is allowd by their founder and their constitutions.
And yes, I’m a friar in solemn vows. I’m one of those who have no opinions, no options, no questions, no property, and no desire to have any of it. LOL
Does this help?
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
A nun would still be referred to as “Sister”.
It’s not that difficult for us. Yes, you usually call a nun, Sister. They were always called Sister. When the first communities of sisters were founded, people did not know anything but nuns, so they called these women, Sister. The title stuck.
A nun would still be referred to as “Sister”.
Thanks for clearing that up.It’s not that difficult for us. Yes, you usually call a nun, Sister. They were always called Sister. When the first communities of sisters were founded, people did not know anything but nuns, so they called these women, Sister. The title stuck.
By the way, if a nun is Eastern Catholic, you call her Mother, not Sister. In the Eastern Churches there are no sisters. All religious women are nuns. What happens is that women who want to be active sisters join Western communities. Now we are seeing some Byzantine communities of sisters; but they are rare. Usually, they are houses that belong to a Western congregation.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
If you read the article carefully, you should have your answer.
Aside from what Sr. Donna is doing, which is wrong, the purpose of the investigation into the American sisters is not punitive. I can’t understand for the life of me how Catholics have turned so punitive. We’re not a punitive faith folks. We don’t hunt people down so we can punish them. We investigate situations so that we can help people find their way. There is a big difference.