Nuns get involved in the battle for the White House

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CMatt25 said:
It is not the bus but her words at the DNC which inspired me so that I was on my feet in my living room along with the DNC delegates in the hall giving her a standing O.
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Hitler inspired a lot of applause, too. What’s your point?
 
Nimzovik said:
Kinda missing the point eh? The HHS Mandate and rabid it’s abortion for all impetus does indeed assault the rights of the Preborn to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness eh?:cool:
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That is your opinion. In mine, the HHS has the potential both to help and to hurt and it is up to the people to whom it applies to make the choice for life or against it.

Easing the burden of health insurance (a major issue for many parents and caregivers) can only ease the concerns over ability to provide for a child - a common contributor to decisions for abortion - particularly in families who already have sick kids or a history of hereditary illness. On the other hand, making it easier to pay for an abortion could have the opposite effect, making the choice against life an easier one. Ultimately, people motivated by financial concerns will generally find a way to pay for an abortion regardless. So from my viewpoint the potential benefits outweigh the risk.

You may not agree, but I’m not clear on which point you think I’ve missed.
 
seekerz said:
That is your opinion. In mine, the HHS has the potential both to help and to hurt and it is up to the people to whom it applies to make the choice for life or against it.

Easing the burden of health insurance (a major issue for many parents and caregivers) can only ease the concerns over ability to provide for a child - a common contributor to decisions for abortion - particularly in families who already have sick kids or a history of hereditary illness. On the other hand, making it easier to pay for an abortion could have the opposite effect, making the choice against life an easier one. Ultimately, people motivated by financial concerns will generally find a way to pay for an abortion regardless. So from my viewpoint the potential benefits outweigh the risk.

You may not agree, but I’m not clear on which point you think I’ve missed.
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“Making the choice against life an easier one”? What is this? So you are totally pro-abortion?

Planned Parenthood Clinics are 83% of the time in minority neighborhoods. You don’t include that in your equation, you don’t include that a black woman is 5 times more likely to get an abortion than a white woman. African Americans are only 13% of the population but get 1 in 3 abortions. Hard to see how this Affordable Care Act is going to do anything but produce more abortions and spread the cost around to everyone. Planned Parenthood advises 90% of the women they see to get abortions.

At least you are sincere in saying this is largely about people’s income level but this kind of tap dancing around the issue also says “yes, this is to abort poor babies”.
 
Nimzovik said:
At what price do we endorse Social Justice? Do we pay for it with allowing rampant Abortion on demand? With allowing the loss of Religous Freedoms?
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This is the wrong question to ask. We do not need to choose between social justice and abortion; there is no reason to cede to liberals the “right” position on social justice. Choosing between social justice and abortion is their dilemma, not ours, and they have chosen social justice … or rather they have chosen their perception of how to achieve it. We should not for a moment accept or allow to be accepted the idea that the liberal approach to solving social problems is morally preferable to the conservative approach.

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I doubt that there is a special place in heaven reserved for you if you vote to do good deeds with someone else’s money.
 
Ender said:
This is the wrong question to ask. We do not need to choose between social justice and abortion; there is no reason to cede to liberals the “right” position on social justice. Choosing between social justice and abortion is their dilemma, not ours, and they have chosen social justice … or rather they have chosen their perception of how to achieve it. We should not for a moment accept or allow to be accepted the idea that the liberal approach to solving social problems is morally preferable to the conservative approach.

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CMatt25 said:
Well from my observation, indeed I think that’s what the practicing faithful Catholics on the forum who weigh the many issues and have decided upon their candidate for the White House just as the nuns have, are trying to do. 🤷
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My apologies, but I don’t understand your response.

Let me rephrase: Do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

Faithful Catholics must follow their conscience and be both pro social justice and pro life?
 
Ender said:
This is the wrong question to ask. We do not need to choose between social justice and abortion; there is no reason to cede to liberals the “right” position on social justice. Choosing between social justice and abortion is their dilemma, not ours, and they have chosen social justice … or rather they have chosen their perception of how to achieve it. We should not for a moment accept or allow to be accepted the idea that the liberal approach to solving social problems is morally preferable to the conservative approach.

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BroomWagon said:
“Making the choice against life an easier one”? What is this? So you are totally pro-abortion?

Planned Parenthood Clinics are 83% of the time in minority neighborhoods. You don’t include that in your equation, you don’t include that a black woman is 5 times more likely to get an abortion than a white woman. African Americans are only 13% of the population but get 1 in 3 abortions. Hard to see how this Affordable Care Act is going to do anything but produce more abortions and spread the cost around to everyone. Planned Parenthood advises 90% of the women they see to get abortions.

At least you are sincere in saying this is largely about people’s income level but this kind of tap dancing around the issue also says “yes, this is to abort poor babies”.
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The head of planned parenthood spoke at the democrat party national convention. 405 of the abortions performed by planned parenthood are of african american babies even though african-americans make up only 12% of the population. It boggles the mind that the first african american president enthusiastically supports an organization that is slaughtering hundreds of thousands of african americans a year.
 
seekerz said:
I have no idea what you mean about a whistle. The nuns were all over that Paul Ryan budget, with a special spurt of energy (it seemed to me) coming just days before he was chosen as VP. I just thought that reflected good intuition (or perhaps something more ;)) on their part.

How do people respect life before conception? That’s easy: when we respect all life, and especially when we make provision for those among us who are most vulnerable (and therefore perhaps least likely to feel/be respected), we help make it more likely that they in turn will value their own lives and those lives that they conceive.
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These nuns do not promote the sanctity of life, they in fact support planned parenthood and the like. Most importantly, the support politicians who promote and protect a woman’s right to choose death. Nothing these women say will be taken with any degree of credibility where it comes to life. I was trying to be nice, but never mind.

What is so evil about Paul Ryan’s budget, especially compared to the budget proposed by the president, or the one currently in affect, oh yea, there’s none currently in affect and hasn’t been one for years. Paul Ryan’s budget starts to address what needs to be done, CUT SPENDING!!! if we do not cut spending drastically, we will all be on the welfare rolls. Then, guess what, there will be no more rich people to tax; they will all have left the country for cheaper living expenses.

PS. The whistle comment was carried over from another thread, goes with the tin foil hat…
 
seekerz said:
Indeed. I was impressed by their foresight in zoning in on Paul Ryan even before he was selected VP. Many nuns, like some people in my acquaintance, see everyday the real roots of abortion. I don’t blame anybody who thinks that respect for life begins pre-conception.
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Not foresight. The DNC slandered every potential Repub VP candidate before his selection. He was just one of them.
 
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