Nuns get involved in the battle for the White House

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Thanks for the reassurance…it is very timely.😉
Thank you for your posts. Great job. Just at a time when I was starting to need it again, like our good Sister Simone, you provided some inspiration. 👍 I’ll just think about maybe calling you partially “Christ-like”. Figuratively speaking of course. 😉 God bless!
 
Do I think that the uninsured/under-insured should continue to suffer, die or go destitute just to NOT prevent something that people have been doing legally for decades anyway? My answer is a resounding, “No”. 🤷
Your answer is my answer. seekerz. NO. :amen:
So in these statements, I gather you two think the rest of us want this? This is the disconnect.
 
No Lapey it is not false and yes it does make it so that Sister Simone is a Catholic. If you have difficulty with this teaching of your church, you’ll have to take it up with the Pope or Someone higher than me. Because changing your church’s teaching on who is Catholic in order to say it doesn’t make it so for Sister, is to use a phrase of Sister Simone’s, beyond my pay grade.
Who said she or you or any one wasn’t Catholic…I’m lost.
 
Nice to know a Non-Catholic agrees with you on what Catholic teachings is? Is he a higher authority than the Church?
Non Catholic Christians and Catholics agree on a lot of things. But no I am not a higher authority than your church to speak on your church’s teachings. Never have claimed to be. Seeker though has been helpful to me in discussing your church’s teaching in relation to how Sister Simone and the nuns on the bus can be involved in the battle for the WH.
 
Disdain for the poor is a generalization?

All this leaves me to wonder is: how is it possible to genuinely care for the babies of those for whom such contempt is expressed? Who is fooling who here?
Excellent post! :clapping:
How is this an excellent post? first prove the disdain for the poor is real, which is sad that you would be that cynical, second, please show how i showed any notion of lack of genuine concern for the unborn. Both false statements about me and others whom you disagree with, this is the rhetoric which needs to stop.

This unfortunately is modern times politics, blast the dissenters. It is not possible for someone to disagree with you and not be evil.
 
She’s a fraud, and embarrassing for sisters. Actually, all Catholics. Take a hard stand on “social justice” but refuse to take a stand on abortion and consequences? That’s pathetic.
Left wing politics disguised as religion…very old story.🤷
 
Who said she or you or any one wasn’t Catholic…I’m lost.
I’m obviously not a Catholic or the word Catholic would be part of my religion. But as far as Sister Simone, we just had the discussion about you saying she could call herself whatever she wants but it would false. That would have been you. But nevermind. Moving on.
 
How is this an excellent post? first prove the disdain for the poor is real, which is sad that you would be that cynical, second, please show how i showed any notion of lack of genuine concern for the unborn. Both false statements about me and others whom you disagree with, this is the rhetoric which needs to stop.

This unfortunately is modern times politics, blast the dissenters. It is not possible for someone to disagree with you and not be evil.
Lapey, I’m sure and Seekerz I’d say thinks so too, that as a deacon of your church you have a concern for the poor and concern for the unborn. But I think you actually have to read and absorb what Seekerz wrote to understand how the post was excellent. He/she (sorry seeker, I think I remember but unsure of your gender to specify here) said and I’ll quote: “Call it a generalization if you like, I call it an ideological stance”. Seeker spoke of Romney and then went on to speak of an ideology.

Your last paragraph though had me :rotfl: Great line! “Blast the dissenters”. It would be even funnier if it wasn’t so true. I can’t begin to tell you how many times I’ve been blasted here because I disagree. The word “evil” for something I said might even have been thrown in for good measure. I’ve been called a heretic and told I was on my way to hell and so on. I never have suggested something someone said was evil just because they disagreed with me nor have I resorted to such attacks. Nor has Seekerz to my knowledge. God bless Lapey and peace.
 
Disdain for the poor is a generalization? I’ve been posting my views about it for months on this forum and the attitudes I criticized seemed rather specific. Besides, in how many ways does Romney have to say it? Before the 47% comment there was, the not caring about the poor because they have a ‘safety net’ (which incidentally, is up for the axe), and liking to fire people (unemployment tends to contribute to poverty) - a repetitive theme, not just one statement. Romney was not alone either, during the primaries, Gingrich was actually the worst in his condescending attitude to the poor.

Call it a generalization if you like, I call it an ideological stance which goes something like this: the poor are losers (victims…choose your synonym), their predicament is their fault (they are lazy, lack ambition, lack work ethic, are jealous of the ‘haves’) or perhaps even a result of not being ‘blessed’ by God; helping them is voluntary* for Christians* (we can skip the major prophets and all the Gospels 'cause only the Bible had genuinely poor people)…I could go on: just from this forum alone I have learned that some posters do not even believe that the poor are really poor because they are not thin as rakes…and on and on.

All this leaves me to wonder is: how is it possible to genuinely care for the babies of those for whom such contempt is expressed? Who is fooling who here?
And you accused me just recently of misrepresenting you? Where did I say that those who have a different solution are disdainful? I gave crystal clear, concrete examples which you choose to not deal with. Instead you are placing yourself alongside St Paul (of all people!) as being guilty of something alleged by nobody in this conversation (that I am aware of).

I guess the basic salient theological facts on the evaluation of the presidential candidates is less interesting than fending off non-existent charges of ‘guilt’…
I guess the basic salient theological facts on the evaluation of the presidential candidates is less interesting than fending off non-existent charges of ‘guilt’…
  1. The disdain you perceive is just that, your perception. I ask again, how does it feel to believe that half of your fellow Americans are mean and/or evil?
  2. Do you truly that the 47% comment by Romney meant he holds disdain for them? Do we who disagree with you on how to help the poor want their “safety net” to go away?
  3. In what statement or actions by Mitt Romney has he shown that he would fire the nations workforce or part of it? Bain Capital you may be planning to respond with; check the record of jobs saved, Obama’s own phrase here. Truth is the vast majority of the companies Bain capital purchased were saved; from numbers that have not been reported it is in the 82% or more. Saying he is guilty of “liking to fire people” is just plain cynical and lacks appearance of intelligence.
  4. You are right, unemployment contributes to poverty, what exactly again has this administration done again to curve this problem? Oh, yes, highest rate of welfare program use with food stamps and other safety net programs, thankfully for these people it’s available because jobs sure are not available.
  5. The generalization I was specifically talking about but you have purposely ignored is the use of the words in the debate. To through a generalization like labeling all opposition to your ideas as “a disdain for the poor” is a generalization on your part. Now one could say that Obama has shown a disdain for the rich, but I guess that you would see as a virtue because “they didn’t build that!”
  6. More generalizations based on your disdain for anyone who disagrees with you, “the poor are losers (victims…choose the synonym)”. I could quote more but it is all the same, an illustration of how you dislike the people who believe in different ways of helping the poor than you.
  7. Your last statement is the one I truly take offence to. So you are saying that because I listen to the Church and place a higher moral standard to abortion than I do helping the poor through government, this means my judgment is skewed so I am not truly worried about babies. Do I have this about right?
Second post quoted.
  1. You lumped me into the category which you hold disdain for, so I don’t see how I misrepresented you.
  2. You have treated with disdain every person who has opposed you, even as far as to say their expression of contempt for the loss of the unborn is not genuine.
  3. You gave hyperbole to make people’s opposing views to show they are less important than your views.
  4. So using sacred scripture to illustrate a point is to place, “yourself alongside St Paul (of all people!) as being guilty of something alleged by nobody in this conversation (that I am aware of).”
  5. What does the comment you made under your breath mean, “(of all people)” How should I read this?
  6. Your last statement is simply further evidence that you cannot own up to your words. Please teach me about these “basic salient theological facts on the evaluation of the presidential candidates…” which up to now, I have missed.
 
I’m obviously not a Catholic or the word Catholic would be part of my religion. But as far as Sister Simone, we just had the discussion about you saying she could call herself whatever she wants but it would false. That would have been you. But nevermind. Moving on.
I never said she wasn’t Catholic, I did say the social justice she believes in is not Catholic social justice as taught by the Church. I did make the comment you mention here, but this is not what I meant. I was talking about if memory serves me, the comment she made about being a “pro-life” person. Sorry, but you cannot support a party platform like the democrat platform and be prolife. Furthermore, to say you are pro-life and vote for a candidate whose platform is the democrat’s you support both, to say otherwise is not intellectually honest. If I vote for a democrat I own what he stands for. Same is true where it comes to the death penalty, I preach against it but the candidate I will vote for is for it as far as I know. In this case I am voting for the lesser of two evils. Abortion is greater than the death penalty according to the church.

If I called her non-Catholic it was a typo, I am a firm believer in the fact that once a person is a baptized Catholic they are always a Catholic, this is in line with Church Doctrine. I have argued this with many, including a priest recently who thinks differently.
 
Non Catholic Christians and Catholics agree on a lot of things. But no I am not a higher authority than your church to speak on your church’s teachings. Never have claimed to be. Seeker though has been helpful to me in discussing your church’s teaching in relation to how Sister Simone and the nuns on the bus can be involved in the battle for the WH.
You’re on a Catholic forum telling us what you believe Catholics should think. It sounds like you think you’re a higher authority to me. You want a Christianity that doesn’t exclude or drive away liberals. I don’t know of any form of Christianity that excludes liberals. As far as driving liberals away, it’s my opinion that the arrogance of liberals thinking that they know better than the Church that drives them into self-exile.
 
I never said she wasn’t Catholic, I did say the social justice she believes in is not Catholic social justice as taught by the Church. I did make the comment you mention here, but this is not what I meant. I was talking about if memory serves me, the comment she made about being a “pro-life” person. Sorry, but you cannot support a party platform like the democrat platform and be prolife. Furthermore, to say you are pro-life and vote for a candidate whose platform is the democrat’s you support both, to say otherwise is not intellectually honest. If I vote for a democrat I own what he stands for. Same is true where it comes to the death penalty, I preach against it but the candidate I will vote for is for it as far as I know. In this case I am voting for the lesser of two evils. Abortion is greater than the death penalty according to the church.

If I called her non-Catholic it was a typo, I am a firm believer in the fact that once a person is a baptized Catholic they are always a Catholic, this is in line with Church Doctrine. I have argued this with many, including a priest recently who thinks differently.
Good for you Lapey. Because let me assure you a lot of people think differently. Again God bless and peace (do I say “be with you” or as a deacon, “with your spirit”?) 🙂 In any case peace.
 
I ask again, how does it feel to believe that half of your fellow Americans are mean and/or evil?
I’ve been wondering the same, regarding those condemning anyone considering voting for anyone but Obama. (The Left, in the lamestream media, is fond of demonizing those who disagree with them, calling them “hateful” toward the poor.)
So using sacred scripture to illustrate a point is to place, “yourself alongside St Paul (of all people!) … What does the comment you made under your breath mean, “(of all people)” How should I read this?
I’ve been wondering the same, regarding the poster’s opinion of St. Paul. :eek:
 
Lapey, I’m sure and Seekerz I’d say thinks so too, that as a deacon of your church you have a concern for the poor and concern for the unborn. But I think you actually have to read and absorb what Seekerz wrote to understand how the post was excellent. He/she (sorry seeker, I think I remember but unsure of your gender to specify here) said and I’ll quote: “Call it a generalization if you like, I call it an ideological stance”. Seeker spoke of Romney and then went on to speak of an ideology. No need to get too defensive or to take it so personally.

Your last paragraph though had me :rotfl: Great line! “Blast the dissenters”. It would be even funnier if it wasn’t so true. I can’t begin to tell you how many times I’ve been blasted here because I disagree. The word “evil” for something I said might even have been thrown in for good measure. I’ve been called a heretic and told I was on my way to hell and so on. I never have suggested something someone said was evil just because they disagreed with me nor have I resorted to such attacks. Nor has Seekerz to my knowledge. God bless Lapey and peace.
I hear you Matt, my objection as I illustrated in another post was about throwing the term “disdain” around, making those type generalizations. Also thinking for others. Mitt Romney holds the poor in disdain, really? We can talk about ideology if you like but every time someone opposes he/she, sorry couldn’t resist, it gets old simply being dismissed. There are legitimate apposing ideologies to liberalism, conservatives are not as bad and dumb as some liberals may think, and I know the same is true about liberals.

Yes, I kind of got a kick out of that line too when it came to me. Lol. It is a shame that it is so true, from both sides. I try my best to keep on the issues, especially if I am using a term as caustic as “evil”, abortion is evil, the person who chooses it is not. They may be mislead or feel they have no other choice, but to believe they are evil is just cynical.
 
You’re on a Catholic forum telling us what you believe Catholics should think. It sounds like you think you’re a higher authority to me. You want a Christianity that doesn’t exclude or drive away liberals. I don’t know of any form of Christianity that excludes liberals. As far as driving liberals away, it’s my opinion that the arrogance of liberals thinking that they know better than the Church that drives them into self-exile.
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You’re on a Catholic forum telling us what you believe Catholics should think. It sounds like you think you’re a higher authority to me. You want a Christianity that doesn’t exclude or drive away liberals. I don’t know of any form of Christianity that excludes liberals. As far as driving liberals away, it’s my opinion that the arrogance of liberals thinking that they know better than the Church that drives them into self-exile.
No I’m doing no such thing. You can think whatever you want. I am merely discussing different faith beliefs and politics. As far as the liberal thing, from what I’ve gathered here, a person can’t be part of your church if being faithful and practicing means they can’t be a liberal or would have to pretend they’re not or would have to be a Republican or couldn’t vote for Barack Obama. And get nearly crucified otherwise. So yes I seek a Christianity that does not exclude or drive them away. You’re entitled to your own opinion though certainly. Peace.
 
How is this an excellent post? first prove the disdain for the poor is real, which is sad that you would be that cynical, second, please show how i showed any notion of lack of genuine concern for the unborn. Both false statements about me and others whom you disagree with, this is the rhetoric which needs to stop.

This unfortunately is modern times politics, blast the dissenters. It is not possible for someone to disagree with you and not be evil.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Please stop personalizing my comments - I am opposing a mindset not a person; I have been opposing that same mindset before ever exchanging posts with you. No need for martyrs here, just rational debate.

‘Evil’ tends not to be a word I use a lot; I reserve if for real evil, not for run-of-the-mill human imperfections or disagreements. Of course you are free to use whatever words you choose - just refrain from attributing them to me.
 
What the nuns on the bus really want:
“To the old question “Are you better off than you were four years ago?” there are millions who answer “No” — but that’s all the more reason to stick with the party of mass dependency and supersized food-stamp programs. In other words, what conservatives think of as Obama’s “failure” — the moribund economy, flatline jobs market, underwater housing, general sclerosis — the Democrats see as a wildly successful expansion of the base. Or as Hilaire Belloc put it, “Always keep a-hold of Nurse / For fear of finding something worse.”
From Steyn, steynonline.com/5173/the-audacity-of-hopelessness
 
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