Nuns get involved in the battle for the White House

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CMatt25 said:
No I’m doing no such thing. You can think whatever you want. I am merely discussing different faith beliefs and politics. As far as the liberal thing, from what I’ve gathered here, a person can’t be part of your church if being faithful and practicing means they can’t be a liberal or would have to pretend they’re not or would have to be a Republican or couldn’t vote for Barack Obama. And get nearly crucified otherwise. So yes I seek a Christianity that does not exclude or drive them away. You’re entitled to your own opinion though certainly. Peace.
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You might try the Unitarian Universalist Church. Here are their principles, as taken directly from their website:

*There are seven principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote:
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The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
Unitarian Universalism (UU) draws from many sources:
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Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;
Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;
Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;
Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;
Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit;
Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature.
These principles and sources of faith are the backbone of our religious community.*

Sounds like a great place for liberals. I think you receive a free copy of the lyrics and sheet music for “Kumbaya” upon admission to the congregation (just kidding :)).
 
CMatt25 said:
No I’m doing no such thing. You can think whatever you want. I am merely discussing different faith beliefs and politics. As far as the liberal thing, from what I’ve gathered here, a person can’t be part of your church if being faithful and practicing means they can’t be a liberal or would have to pretend they’re not or would have to be a Republican or couldn’t vote for Barack Obama. And get nearly crucified otherwise. So yes I seek a Christianity that does not exclude or drive them away. You’re entitled to your own opinion though certainly. Peace.
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I’m sorry, but I find your post to be utterly ridiculous. Of course, this is just my opinion.
 
Lapey said:
  1. The disdain you perceive is just that, your perception. I ask again, how does it feel to believe that half of your fellow Americans are mean and/or evil?
  2. Do you truly that the 47% comment by Romney meant he holds disdain for them? Do we who disagree with you on how to help the poor want their “safety net” to go away?
  3. In what statement or actions by Mitt Romney has he shown that he would fire the nations workforce or part of it? Bain Capital you may be planning to respond with; check the record of jobs saved, Obama’s own phrase here. Truth is the vast majority of the companies Bain capital purchased were saved; from numbers that have not been reported it is in the 82% or more. Saying he is guilty of “liking to fire people” is just plain cynical and lacks appearance of intelligence.
  4. You are right, unemployment contributes to poverty, what exactly again has this administration done again to curve this problem? Oh, yes, highest rate of welfare program use with food stamps and other safety net programs, thankfully for these people it’s available because jobs sure are not available.
  5. The generalization I was specifically talking about but you have purposely ignored is the use of the words in the debate. To through a generalization like labeling all opposition to your ideas as “a disdain for the poor” is a generalization on your part. Now one could say that Obama has shown a disdain for the rich, but I guess that you would see as a virtue because “they didn’t build that!”
  6. More generalizations based on your disdain for anyone who disagrees with you, “the poor are losers (victims…choose the synonym)”. I could quote more but it is all the same, an illustration of how you dislike the people who believe in different ways of helping the poor than you.
  7. Your last statement is the one I truly take offence to. So you are saying that because I listen to the Church and place a higher moral standard to abortion than I do helping the poor through government, this means my judgment is skewed so I am not truly worried about babies. Do I have this about right?
Second post quoted.
  1. You lumped me into the category which you hold disdain for, so I don’t see how I misrepresented you.
  2. You have treated with disdain every person who has opposed you, even as far as to say their expression of contempt for the loss of the unborn is not genuine.
  3. You gave hyperbole to make people’s opposing views to show they are less important than your views.
  4. So using sacred scripture to illustrate a point is to place, “yourself alongside St Paul (of all people!) as being guilty of something alleged by nobody in this conversation (that I am aware of).”
  5. What does the comment you made under your breath mean, “(of all people)” How should I read this?
  6. Your last statement is simply further evidence that you cannot own up to your words. Please teach me about these “basic salient theological facts on the evaluation of the presidential candidates…” which up to now, I have missed.
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Deacon, deacon…this is NOT about YOU. Maybe once you digest this, we can move on to discuss IDEAS and IDEOLOGIES on which we agree or disagree.
 
CMatt25 said:
Thank you for your posts. Great job. Just at a time when I was starting to need it again, like our good Sister Simone, you provided some inspiration. 👍 I’ll just think about maybe calling you partially “Christ-like”. Figuratively speaking of course. 😉 God bless!
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You are too kind Sir, I’m honored. 😉
 
Lapey said:
So in these statements, I gather you two think the rest of us want this? This is the disconnect.
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No, I’m figuring mostly we just want to be left in peace to want what we perceive to be right without being chastised for it.

My motto: do the most good that you can, to the extent that you can. Pretty simple.
 
seekerz said:
No, I’m figuring mostly we just want to be left in peace to want what we perceive to be right without being chastised for it.

My motto: do the most good that you can, to the extent that you can. Pretty simple.
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It is surely a strange way to proceed if wanting to be left in peace.-that is openly rejecting church teaching in catholic forum. Surely there are easier ways to be ignored.
 
estesbob said:
It is surely a strange way to proceed if wanting to be left in peace.-that is openly rejecting church teaching in catholic forum. Surely there are easier ways to be ignored.
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Who’s openly rejecting Church teaching? Did the Church recently change the order of priority of the 10 Commandments to allow man’s concerns to usurp the importance of God’s unique and unsurpassed Divinity?
 
seekerz said:
No, I’m figuring mostly we just want to be left in peace to want what we perceive to be right without being chastised for it.
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C’mon…if this were so - why make unsupportable claims about your political party?
My motto: do the most good that you can, to the extent that you can. Pretty simple.
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Here’s a start;

Let’s make it simple:

Are taxes used to pay for abortions?
Yes
No

If NO; please provide verifiable evidence supporting your claim.

You seem NOT to want to answer this?
 
seekerz said:
Who’s openly rejecting Church teaching? Did the Church recently change the order of priority of the 10 Commandments to allow man’s concerns to usurp the importance of God’s unique and unsurpassed Divinity?
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I have no idea what you are trying to say. Or its relevance.
 
seekerz said:
Who’s openly rejecting Church teaching? Did the Church recently change the order of priority of the 10 Commandments to allow man’s concerns to usurp the importance of God’s unique and unsurpassed Divinity?
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Again if you want to be left in peace why are you engaging us in this debate?

Those who claim that it is licit for catholic to support a candidate who wholeheartedly endorses unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand are rejecting church teaching. Its nice to talk about God’s unique and unsurpassed divinity, especially when one has been blessed with the right to life and can see all the wonders of Gods world. It is God’s plan is that all those conceived have the opportunity to observe, first hand, these wonders-not just those that the Left deems to be “wanted”.
 
seekerz said:
Deacon, deacon…this is NOT about YOU. Maybe once you digest this, we can move on to discuss IDEAS and IDEOLOGIES on which we agree or disagree.
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seekerz, seekerz, this is precisely what I am talking about. You dismiss me and anything I have to say as undigested, meaning I’m slow I guess. Everything I wrote in that post is on and about your ideas and ideology, but instead it is my inability to digest your message that you mention. Again, this is a poor and inappropriate assumption on your part.

You are right about one thing, this is not about me. It is about you and the inability to own what you say, and inability to treat others with anything but contempt.

This is what I am talking about, definition of “disdain”- a feeling or show of superiority and dislike; contempt; scorn

I’ll use it in a sentence. Seekerz response to Deacon Lapey shows the disdain that he/she holds for him and his opinions. It shows that seekerz holds a sense of contempt, and dislike for him and/or his conservative views; almost to the level of scorn.

Now if you truly want to discuss the ideology concerning these nuns, lets please start now. But please leave the partisan rhetoric aside.
 
seekerz said:
No, I’m figuring mostly we just want to be left in peace to want what we perceive to be right without being chastised for it.

My motto: do the most good that you can, to the extent that you can. Pretty simple.
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And St. Francis’ was: First, do what’s necessary; then, what’s possible; and suddenly, you are doing the impossible.

I like his a lot better.
 
Let’s make it simple:

Are taxes used to pay for abortions?
Yes
No

If NO; please provide verifiable evidence supporting your claim.

^^^^^ Crickets chippering ^^^^^ :confused:
 
stevegravy said:
I get it! What oozes from Obama every pore.
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Remember when Obama told Hillary she was “likeable enough”? Remember the look of contempt and utter disdain on his face? I believe that was a glimpse of the real Obama.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
Remember when Obama told Hillary she was “likeable enough”? Remember the look of contempt and utter disdain on his face? I believe that was a glimpse of the real Obama.
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And that was just one shining moment among hundreds.
 
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