Nuns get involved in the battle for the White House

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seekerz said:
Which points of mine did you miss? Nobody is asking you to pay for abortions - the president specifically signed a directive to that effect. Increasing insurance coverage will only mean that some people will find it easier to use THEIR own money to pay for abortion. Do I think that the uninsured/under-insured should continue to suffer, die or go destitute just to NOT prevent something that people have been doing legally for decades anyway? My answer is a resounding, “No”. 🤷
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three little words: MONEY IS FUNGIBLE.

If you don’t know the meaning of the word, look it up. Google is your friend.
 
CMatt25 said:
Well that’s a first for me. Huffington Post being used on CAF as a source by someone not an Obama supporter. 😃

But OK sorry I’m still not quite getting the connection but nevermind.
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Yeah, right, and that’s why you commented on it. :rolleyes:

“Cute” has its limits CMatt.
 
seekerz said:
It’s not those who can harm the body I fear, but those with eyes on my immortal soul.
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Sooooooo… let me see if I get this right?

Your eyes on your immortal soul…

Approves of an Administration that forces people / religious to fund the killing of innocent.
Approves of an Administration that forces people / religious to fund illegal human testing against the poor and sick?

Do you think there is a TRUTH to the saying " By their fruits - you will know them"? kimmie phrased ]

1 Timothy 5:8 If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and …
A few days ago I received a call from a man I recently met named George. He was a bit flustered, and soon informed me that his young son was sick with a chest condition. He pleaded with me to send him $1,000 to cover the medical bills. Since George was at the hospital I asked him to let me speak to a nurse, and she confirmed that George’s son was indeed ill. So I agreed to send George the money through Western Union. He was profusely grateful. But before I hung up I asked George, “Why are you coming to me?” He said, “I have no one else to ask.” Then he said something that astounded me, “Dinesh, you are like a brother to me.”
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Actually, George has a real life brother who just happens to be the president of the United States. (George Obama is the youngest of eight children sired by Barack Obama Sr.) George’s brother is a multimillionaire and the most powerful man in the world. Moreover, George’s brother has framed his re-election campaign around the “fair share” theme that we owe obligations to those who are less fortunate.
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One of Obama’s favorite phrases comes right out of the Bible: “We are our brother’s keeper.” Yet he has not contributed a penny to help his own brother. And evidently George does not believe, even in times of emergency, that he can turn to his brother in the White House for help.
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Before I hung up I asked George, “Why are you coming to me?” He said, “I have no one else to ask.” Then he said something that astounded me, “Dinesh, you are like a brother to me.”
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So much for spreading the wealth around.
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foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/16/how-became-george-obama-brother/

In Kenya $5.00 a week could lift this family member out of the poverty he is in now.
 
Lochias said:
So you subject the Gospels to your own law and preference. Nothing new under the sun.
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No to my own God given ability to read, to pray over what I’ve read while asking the Holy Spirit for guidance, to use my God given reasoning to think and ponder about matters of faith and about what I’ve read. And get this. Sometimes I even question myself after all of that. 👍 But I’m ok not thinking a human with a finite mind like myself can know or understand all things of an infinite God. I just don’t have the need to think and believe I know everything I guess. And I’m fine with that. I know others prefer things spelled out and they believe they know all truth which has been revealed. And by all means that’s fine too. It comes down to walking by faith, not by sight in either case. Until in our faith as Christians He comes again. Where I may be wrong, I know an all undertanding and a merciful God will know my heart. And I pray He will have mercy on me. God bless you in your walk with Him. And peace be with you.
 
CMatt25 said:
No to my own God given ability to read, to pray over what I’ve read while asking the Holy Spirit for guidance, to use my God given reasoning to think and ponder about matters of faith and about what I’ve read. And get this. Sometimes I even question myself after all of that. 👍 But I’m ok not thinking a human with a finite mind like myself can know or understand all things of an infinite God. I just don’t have the need to think and believe I know everything I guess. And I’m fine with that. I know others prefer things spelled out and they believe they know all truth which has been revealed. And by all means that’s fine too. It comes down to walking by faith, not by sight in either case. Until in our faith as Christians He comes again. Where I may be wrong, I know an all undertanding and a merciful God will know my heart. And I pray He will have mercy on me. God bless you in your walk with Him. And peace be with you.
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The biggest thing that stands out in your post is: “My, my, my, my.”
 
CMatt25 said:
No to my own God given ability to read, to pray over what I’ve read while asking the Holy Spirit for guidance, to use my God given reasoning to think and ponder about matters of faith and about what I’ve read. And get this. Sometimes I even question myself after all of that. 👍 But I’m ok not thinking a human with a finite mind like myself can know or understand all things of an infinite God.
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Well, since I actually want to know what the passage says – given that an English translation of centuries old texts is insufficient for such knowledge, I’m certainly NOT OK with relying on private reading, praying and “asking the Holy Spirit for guidance,” while using my “God given reasoning.” If I or any other curious Christian wants to discern more objectively and reliably what those messages are, their content will not be accurately assessed by closing one’s eyes tightly, praying real hard for intellectual enlightenment, and assuming that whatever results will be an accurate understanding of the text.

Even most sincere Protestants distinguish what Catholics call lectio divina (prayerful reading) with intellectual understanding of moral truths. Even non-Catholic Christians consult the experts to help illuminate the moral content of the Gospels, Epistles, Pentateuch, Wisdom Books and the rest. They know that mere prayerful reading will not shed light on what exactly Jesus meant by his various exhortations, and what Jesus’ fuller understanding of God’s Law was and was not. They know that investigation of history, of the anthropology of the ancient Mediterranean, of the context of figures of speech, and of textual variations are all critical to an accurate understanding.

The same holds true for a sincere Catholic approach – even before any such Catholic consults any officially Catholic interpretation of passages being read, although in that case the Catholic interpretation, like many non-Catholic interpretations, will derive from the collected elements above, as well.

The Bible – both Testaments – is a prayer book and much more. It is narrative and much more. It is segmented biography and much more. It is a history of a people and much more. It is insufficient and erroneous to base one’s moral discernment on “private interpretation” of Scripture, alone. Private reading and prayer will be spiritual assists, but without illumination as to the content, the accuracy of the theology within Scripture will be missing. And therefore, private interpretation of Scripture is fraught with errors as a guidebook for any honest Catholic or “former” Catholic for purposes of voting decisions.
I just don’t have the need to think and believe I know everything I guess. And I’m fine with that.
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I would think that responsible citizenship – never mind Christianity – demands “thinking” and “knowing” as much as possible before entering the voting booth. If further, they want an informed conscience, they will seek a verifiably accurate understanding of Sacred Scripture.
I know others prefer things spelled out and they believe they know all truth which has been revealed.
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I’m sure I have no idea what you’re referring to, and I doubt most others here do either. The only person who “knows all truth which has been revealed” is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He left this little institution called the Church, to continue, through the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit, to unfold that revelation. Those who have been privileged and blessed to have been baptized within that Church know that full well.
 
CMatt25’s argument here in this thread had been wrecked.
Just a heads up.
 
Lapey said:
I never said she wasn’t Catholic, I did say the social justice she believes in is not Catholic social justice as taught by the Church. I did make the comment you mention here, but this is not what I meant. I was talking about if memory serves me, the comment she made about being a “pro-life” person. Sorry, but you cannot support a party platform like the democrat platform and be prolife. Furthermore, to say you are pro-life and vote for a candidate whose platform is the democrat’s you support both, to say otherwise is not intellectually honest. If I vote for a democrat I own what he stands for. Same is true where it comes to the death penalty, I preach against it but the candidate I will vote for is for it as far as I know. In this case I am voting for the lesser of two evils. Abortion is greater than the death penalty according to the church.
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Not to derail the thread but the Church has always (and still does today) recognized the right of a state to employ capital punishment. Unlike abortion, capital punishment is not an evil.
If I called her non-Catholic it was a typo, I am a firm believer in the fact that once a person is a baptized Catholic they are always a Catholic, this is in line with Church Doctrine. I have argued this with many, including a priest recently who thinks differently.
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Your position is generous but inaccurate. Being Catholic means much more than simply having been baptized or confirmed, and given that the nuns on the bus appear to reject some major aspects of Church teaching it is not inappropriate to question just how Catholic they really are.Actually only those are to be included (annumerandi) as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body (neque a Corporis compage semet ipsos misere separarunt), or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. (Pius XII - Mystici Corporus Christi)
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Ender said:
Actually only those are to be included (annumerandi) as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body (neque a Corporis compage semet ipsos misere separarunt), or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. (Pius XII - Mystici Corporus Christi)
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IMO: One actually can excommunicate ones self?
 
Ender said:
Not to derail the thread but the Church has always (and still does today) recognized the right of a state to employ capital punishment. Unlike abortion, capital punishment is not an evil.
Your position is generous but inaccurate. Being Catholic means much more than simply having been baptized or confirmed, and given that the nuns on the bus appear to reject some major aspects of Church teaching it is not inappropriate to question just how Catholic they really are.Actually only those are to be included (annumerandi) as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body (neque a Corporis compage semet ipsos misere separarunt), or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. (Pius XII - Mystici Corporus Christi)
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Yes, being a faithful Catholic in good standing is much more involved than a baptism, not what is being discussed here.

I never said the death penalty was any where equal to abortion, not even close. It’s still not necessary in America however. Don’t you agree?
kimmielittle said:
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IMO: One actually can excommunicate ones self?
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Yes…and one can be excommunicated by the Church. But I ask you, what is the meaning of indelible mark?

Definition = that cannot be removed, washed away, or erased

Even after excommunication, and outside of the Church, one is still Catholic.

We may be talking semantics, but once a Catholic always a Catholic.
 
Lapey said:
Yes, being a faithful Catholic in good standing is much more involved than a baptism, not what is being discussed here.

I never said the death penalty was any where equal to abortion, not even close. It’s still not necessary in America however. Don’t you agree?

Yes…and one can be excommunicated by the Church. But I ask you, what is the meaning of indelible mark?

Definition = that cannot be removed, washed away, or erased

Even after excommunication, and outside of the Church, one is still Catholic.

We may be talking semantics, but once a Catholic always a Catholic.
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Hmmmm OF the Church but not IN the Church - is what I was meaning.
 
kimmielittle said:
Hmmmm OF the Church but not IN the Church - is what I was meaning.
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Exactly…outside of the Church but as I teach in baptismal seminars, that mark is there forever. We get confused by thinking someone who is excommunicated or chooses to leave they no longer are Catholic, not true. The mark is still there, it may not be obvious because of the obstinate rejection of the fullness of truth but they are still Catholic.
 
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