Nuns Group Sanctioned by Vatican to Meet this Month

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tm30 said:
That they do not humbly submit to this investigation is proof of their duplicity and shines a light on who their real master is.
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Also true of the many priests and other clergy who have been guilty of what many might see as far worse–the molestation of young children and the higher ups that covered it up, or flaps like the recent one involving John Corapi.
 
tm30 said:
That they do not humbly submit to this investigation is proof of their duplicity and shines a light on who their real master is.
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I missed this earlier. Are you suggesting that a group of women who have in many cases consecrated their life to the Church, and are planning to meet with Cardinal Levada to fraternally discuss their differences is actually under Satanic leadership?

Meanwhile, the OP’s link to the Chicago Trubune article no longer works, but the LCWR has just put up its press release about the meeting last week:

LCWR Board Meets to Review CDF Report
 
Many of these leaders were in open defiance of the teachings of the Church. Should anyone be surprised that they would defy the Church when it comes to correcting that?
 
Sister Theresa Kane, LCWR president at the time, famously and publicly confronted Pope John Paul II in 1979 in a formal address welcoming him to the Washington DC’s Shrine of the Immaculate Conception. She urged him to open all ministries of the Catholic Church to women. The incident made headlines all over the world.

From a 2009 article in the National Catholic Reporter, we have this:

“Kane, as the nation’s most identifiable advocate of women’s ordination, has been repeatedly asked if she fears a Vatican excommunication. Her response:
“I’m not out of communion. The institution got out of communion with me.””
This sort of thing had been going on for a very long time with the LCWR leadership.
 
JimG said:
Sister Theresa Kane, LCWR president at the time, famously and publicly confronted Pope John Paul II in 1979 in a formal address welcoming him to the Washington DC’s Shrine of the Immaculate Conception. She urged him to open all ministries of the Catholic Church to women. The incident made headlines all over the world…

This sort of thing had been going on for a very long time with the LCWR leadership.
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To be fair, the Church in 1979 was at a different place than it is now. The role of women in the Church was more restricted, and no definitive statement against women’s ordination had been made.

Since that time, the Church has acted to open a number of ministries to women - altar servers, heads of Vatican dicasteries, etc. I’m not certain, but I suspect the role of parish administrator was closed to women prior to the 1983 CIC. So by its actions, the Church seems to have agreed with the idea that many of its ministries needed to be opened up to women.
 
Digitonomy said:
To be fair, the Church in 1979 was at a different place than it is now. The role of women in the Church was more restricted, and no definitive statement against women’s ordination had been made.

Since that time, the Church has acted to open a number of ministries to women - altar servers, heads of Vatican dicasteries, etc. I’m not certain, but I suspect the role of parish administrator was closed to women prior to the 1983 CIC. So by its actions, the Church seems to have agreed with the idea that many of its ministries needed to be opened up to women.
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No magisterial statement against women’s ordination was necessary. Women could not be ordained; that has been the case since the beginning of the Church. It was never a possiblity.

In the same way, no statement was ever made that the Eucharist could not be confected using potato chips and gatorade. It was never a possibility!

And making a public statement to the pope at a public event in favor of women’s ordination was a huge source of scandal in the Church.
 
JimG said:
No magisterial statement against women’s ordination was necessary. Women could not be ordained; that has been the case since the beginning of the Church. It was never a possiblity.
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Hindsight is 20/20, but it was also never a real possibility that women could be altar boys, or parish administrators, or heads of Vatican dicasteries. With so much impending change, it’s easy to see how people might not have known where the true boundaries were.
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JimG:
And making a public statement to the pope at a public event in favor of women’s ordination was a huge source of scandal in the Church.
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That might have been a bit more public than was warranted. I was too young to remember this detail of the 1979 visit, and I didn’t see anything in a quick search of Kane’s name. Is there an online source that recounts this event?
 
Here’s a link wherein the event is recounted by the Women’s Ordination Conference:
womensordination.org/content/view/8/59/1/2/

The event did make a lot of newscasts at the time. I haven’t followed the LCWR very closely because it was apparent from early on that their leadership was often in full dissent from Church teaching.

PS–girls still can’t be altar boys. 🙂
 
JimG said:
From a 2009 article in the National Catholic Reporter, we have this:
“Kane, as the nation’s most identifiable advocate of women’s ordination, has been repeatedly asked if she fears a Vatican excommunication. Her response:
“I’m not out of communion. The institution got out of communion with me.””
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:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
_Abyssinia said:
How are they bulling the sisters when it is clear the LCWR are not following the Church’s teachings in many cases:

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=3754

The keynote speaker for the 2012 LCWR assembly is trying to spread new age transhumanism which is heretical:

patheos.com/blogs/godandthemachine/2012/04/exhibit-a-for-explaining-the-lcwr-report

Read about some of the radical people within the LCWR; supporting ordination of women to the priesthood, gay ‘marriage,’ abortion, sterilization of women etc:

wdtprs.com/blog/2012/04/nuns-gone-wild-a-trip-down-memory-lane

How the LCWR has gone off the rails:

catholicworldreport.com/Item/650/in_denial.aspx
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Yeah, any group that has Cokie Roberts speak for them must be a group of reeeaaalllll winners.

What part of “shut up and do what you’re told?” is unclear?
 
Speaking at a Jesuit parish in Charlotte, the executive director of the social justice lobby Network disparaged Vatican officials and US bishops as “inexperienced” in pastoral work and …

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From the article:
“Sister Simone Campbell dismissed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s efforts to reform the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) as a “Vatican kerfuffle” and, in the words of the Charlotte diocesan newspaper, “scorned the US bishops for their continued opposition to the health insurance law.””
It sounds as though she is quite willing to ally with the administration on the HHS mandate, and take the chance that religious liberty will not be further eroded. Personally, I think that if the Church caves in on this issue, this will be only the beginning of loss of religious liberty.
 
I saw Lawrence O’Donnell discussing the situation between the Vatican and the nuns on his MSNBC show the other day. He had some interesting points to make about each of their crusades and how they relate to Christ’s crusade. As for myself who is now looking from further away, all I know is I never imagined I’d ever live to see a day when these women doing such good work in the social justice arena, which definitely has pro life implications for the many lives they serve as they help the poor and the sick, would come under any criticism.
 
CMatt25 said:
I saw Lawrence O’Donnell discussing the situation between the Vatican and the nuns on his MSNBC show the other day. He had some interesting points to make about each of their crusades and how they relate to Christ’s crusade. As for myself who is now looking from further away, all I know is I never imagined I’d ever live to see a day when these women doing such good work in the social justice arena, which definitely has pro life implications for the many lives they serve as they help the poor and the sick, would come under any criticism.
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Because doing a few good things erases rejecting Christ and His Church…
 
CMatt25 said:
I saw Lawrence O’Donnell discussing the situation between the Vatican and the nuns on his MSNBC show the other day. He had some interesting points to make about each of their crusades and how they relate to Christ’s crusade. As for myself who is now looking from further away, all I know is I never imagined I’d ever live to see a day when these women doing such good work in the social justice arena, which definitely has pro life implications for the many lives they serve as they help the poor and the sick, would come under any criticism.
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I would never imagine the day when sisters would disparage the Church.

I heard recently there is another group of women religious that are faithful. That group is growing in numbers.
 
I remember a leading theology teacher in Ireland telling me the Church authorities were out of touch with pastoral work “on the ground” and through his pastoral work, he realised that the Church shouldn’t be about the salvation of souls anymore. My jaw hit the floor when he said that. It’s not about saving souls, he said. Eeek! The very purpose of the Church as laid out in document after document, Dei Verbum from Vatican II to name just one. The same fella laughed when he told us that some Catholics “still believe in mortal sin”!!! I began to wonder which Church I was a member of then.

I wept with frustration at his arrogance after the class.
 
She has avoided framing social justice concerns as “pro-life” issues, she said, “because I don’t want to be thought of as in (the pro-life) camp. Because of my pride, as opposed to my faith.”
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Hmmm, what did Proverbs say about Pride?
 
The secular media has portrayed the LCWR censure issue as one of “you’re spending too much time on social justice issues and not enough on our political agenda.” This is distortion to the point of deception.

The real issue is that the LCWR has utterly failed to conduct basic recognition of moral priorities when it sets it’s agenda for social justice. To very nearly ignore the abortion issue and spend massive organizational resources resisting “unjust patriarchal structures” is akin to a doctor who is inordinately concerned about a patient who is behind on her vaccination schedule, but pretends not to notice the bruises, broken bones and scars that indicate onging domestic abuse in her life!

The CDF correction of the LCWR is very analagous to a medical licensing board censoring such a doctor and demanding that he begin to properly prioritize the health issues confronting his patients instead of pretending the most serious ones don’t exist in order to focus on far lesser issues that are of more interest to him personally. The LCWR is broken in that it has lost all ability to recognize and prioritize the moral issues that are tearing our society apart, not the least of which being our need to depend on the Mercy and Grace of God to overcome our human failings.
 
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