Nuns misappropriated $500K in school funds, spending some on gambling: Church
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DMorgan56
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PennyinCanada
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More imposters coming into the church to fleece the sheep.
They may fool the people who have put their trust in them but God is not fooled.
The wheat and the weeds will come up together but the Lord will separate them and bring the wheat into his barns.
They may fool the people who have put their trust in them but God is not fooled.
The wheat and the weeds will come up together but the Lord will separate them and bring the wheat into his barns.
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twf
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Based on the photos, they don’t wear habits (or at least not regularly), so its not like someone would have said “hmm, those nuns are here at the casino an awful lot!”.
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graciew
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You know…when I read the article yesterday,my first thought was " And with the habit…?!".
I imagined them gambling around Casinos in their habit,because the article I read showed the back of two nuns( virtually any nuns…not them) walking down a street.
I imagined them gambling around Casinos in their habit,because the article I read showed the back of two nuns( virtually any nuns…not them) walking down a street.
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13pollitos
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These parts of the article stuck out to me
“the Archdiocese did not wish to pursue criminal proceedings”
I wonder if that would have been the case of the theft was done by lay Catholics or non Catholics.
“The half million-dollar figure represents only what auditors have been able to trace in six years’ worth of bank records and may not include cash transaction, the Archdiocese of Los Angeles told parents at an alumni meeting last week, according to The Press-Telegram.”
One had been with the school for 28 years. I doubt it only occurred during the last 6 of them.
“The Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet, the order to which Kreuper and Chang belong – has agreed to arrange for full restitution of the funds, Meyers said. The order will also impose “appropriate penalties and sanctions” on the sisters, in accordance with the policies of the order”
I hope those penalties and sanctions include 28 years of bank records and criminal charges.
“The accused nuns feel a “deep remorse” for their actions and are asking for “forgiveness and prayers,” Meyers wrote in his letter to parents.
“They and their Order pray that you have not lost trust or faith in the educators and administrators of the school,” Meyers wrote in his letter to parents.“
It seems remorse always comes after being caught.
“the Archdiocese did not wish to pursue criminal proceedings”
I wonder if that would have been the case of the theft was done by lay Catholics or non Catholics.
“The half million-dollar figure represents only what auditors have been able to trace in six years’ worth of bank records and may not include cash transaction, the Archdiocese of Los Angeles told parents at an alumni meeting last week, according to The Press-Telegram.”
One had been with the school for 28 years. I doubt it only occurred during the last 6 of them.
“The Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet, the order to which Kreuper and Chang belong – has agreed to arrange for full restitution of the funds, Meyers said. The order will also impose “appropriate penalties and sanctions” on the sisters, in accordance with the policies of the order”
I hope those penalties and sanctions include 28 years of bank records and criminal charges.
“The accused nuns feel a “deep remorse” for their actions and are asking for “forgiveness and prayers,” Meyers wrote in his letter to parents.
“They and their Order pray that you have not lost trust or faith in the educators and administrators of the school,” Meyers wrote in his letter to parents.“
It seems remorse always comes after being caught.
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bbc version
the news just gets worse BY THE HOUR.
the news just gets worse BY THE HOUR.
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13pollitos
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Once again in this article it says
“On Monday, St James’ Catholic Church said the nuns had expressed “deep remorse” over their actions, adding that while the police had been informed, no criminal charges would be brought against the pair.”
Why will they not be prosecuted? If they were lay faculty members I guarantee they would be. We aren’t talking pocket change here. It’s a half a million dollars, possibly more! They only have 6 years of records but think it spanned at least a decade or more. They were with the school nearly 30 years. Who knows really how much they stole.
“On Monday, St James’ Catholic Church said the nuns had expressed “deep remorse” over their actions, adding that while the police had been informed, no criminal charges would be brought against the pair.”
Why will they not be prosecuted? If they were lay faculty members I guarantee they would be. We aren’t talking pocket change here. It’s a half a million dollars, possibly more! They only have 6 years of records but think it spanned at least a decade or more. They were with the school nearly 30 years. Who knows really how much they stole.
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Beryllos
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This saddens me greatly. In several respects it reminds me of the plundering of another charitable organization which I had supported for years.
The two nuns stole the money, but someone else let them do it. I would like to know who was supposed to be watching the finances and neglected to do his/her/their job, year after year. Don’t they have a Treasurer, or a Director? Who was in charge? Didn’t they have annual audits?
The diocese, the sisters’ order, and the school all seem to be saying that the school was not harmed. I don’t believe it. I don’t think they are being truthful. If a half-million was siphoned off the school budget, something was lost and the students suffered.
If I were one of those parent who has been paying tuition, donating money, and helping their children participate in school fundraising programs, I would feel absolutely betrayed. I would feel like I was punched in the gut, and I would feel it again every time I had to write another check or respond to another fundraising appeal, and every time it was mentioned in the news or among friends. The effect on the school will be lasting.
I’m not feeling much like “forgiveness and prayers” for the nuns or the administrators, maybe another day, but for now will pray for the children and families who have been robbed.
The two nuns stole the money, but someone else let them do it. I would like to know who was supposed to be watching the finances and neglected to do his/her/their job, year after year. Don’t they have a Treasurer, or a Director? Who was in charge? Didn’t they have annual audits?
The diocese, the sisters’ order, and the school all seem to be saying that the school was not harmed. I don’t believe it. I don’t think they are being truthful. If a half-million was siphoned off the school budget, something was lost and the students suffered.
If I were one of those parent who has been paying tuition, donating money, and helping their children participate in school fundraising programs, I would feel absolutely betrayed. I would feel like I was punched in the gut, and I would feel it again every time I had to write another check or respond to another fundraising appeal, and every time it was mentioned in the news or among friends. The effect on the school will be lasting.
I’m not feeling much like “forgiveness and prayers” for the nuns or the administrators, maybe another day, but for now will pray for the children and families who have been robbed.
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13pollitos
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I would like to know as well. The first article did say that there was a “secret account” that only the two sisters knew about. It also said that one sister handled all the checks and cash and only turned over what she wanted to the finance dept. some checks and possibly cash went directly to the secret account instead.
It doesn’t add up. And the fact that no one wants to prosecute makes it even more suspicious. What are they hiding that they don’t want revealed?
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7_Sorrows
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I read this story last night and was saddened. It makes me wonder how they
were able to get away with it for so long and not raise suspicion. Nuns traveling to
Las Vegas? I feel sorry for the students
and wonder the long term effect on them knowing what the Nuns did? The young
people in our Church certainly don’t need to be faced with more scandals.
were able to get away with it for so long and not raise suspicion. Nuns traveling to
Las Vegas? I feel sorry for the students
and wonder the long term effect on them knowing what the Nuns did? The young
people in our Church certainly don’t need to be faced with more scandals.
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13pollitos
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...las-vegas-church-doesnt-want-them-prosecuted/
This article says the parents and others knew about the trips and gambling. The sisters apparently told them they had a “rich uncle” that paid for it all.
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“Parents told the Press-Telegram that they knew the nuns went on gambling trips, but the two said the jaunts were gifts from a wealthy uncle.
“These nuns took a vow of poverty and said, ‘Oh, no, we’ve got a rich uncle,’ ” Alexander told the paper. “The rich uncle was the parents of the St. James students.”
This article says the parents and others knew about the trips and gambling. The sisters apparently told them they had a “rich uncle” that paid for it all.
From the article
“Parents told the Press-Telegram that they knew the nuns went on gambling trips, but the two said the jaunts were gifts from a wealthy uncle.
“These nuns took a vow of poverty and said, ‘Oh, no, we’ve got a rich uncle,’ ” Alexander told the paper. “The rich uncle was the parents of the St. James students.”
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Joe_5859
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You would think so, but you’d be surprised how many places still aren’t up to speed on these types of best practices.
I bet this particular school will be much better about such things going forward.
Yes, this has to be particularly hard for the parents. I pray the school can recover.
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Beryllos
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Justice may be served by this. It is also the best way to rebuild trust with the school families and community.
Also a full investigation may reveal whether other persons were involved. I know the two sisters said there were no others, but I wondered if they intend to take the fall to protect someone else. In their moral framework, such as it is, they may think taking the full blame would be a Christ-like sacrifice of love, but in truth it would not serve truth, justice, or love. They need to clean house.
Also a full investigation may reveal whether other persons were involved. I know the two sisters said there were no others, but I wondered if they intend to take the fall to protect someone else. In their moral framework, such as it is, they may think taking the full blame would be a Christ-like sacrifice of love, but in truth it would not serve truth, justice, or love. They need to clean house.
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exnihilo
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I find that appalling. Justice needs to be served. If this is policy then thieves will target the Church. It isn’t good and right for those who give their hard earned money to the Church to not prosecute. The laity sure pay a lot to cover thievery and other crimes.
There is always that possibility.
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13pollitos
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I am glad they are reconsidering this. It seems it may be at least partially due to several of the parents seeking a way to file charges themselves.
The article mentions a former lay principal at another school that stole a much smaller amount. She also paid restitution and faced criminal charges. It makes complete sense that these two sisters would as well.
The article mentions a former lay principal at another school that stole a much smaller amount. She also paid restitution and faced criminal charges. It makes complete sense that these two sisters would as well.
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twf
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According to this article, a lay school administrator in the Archdiocese of LA did spend some time in jail for stealing far, far, far less than these Sisters did…
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exnihilo
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The whole issue of ‘pressing charges’ is complicated and often inaccurately reported and portrayed in the media. I don’t know about California, but in gerneral it is only the District Attorney who presses charges. The victim doesn’t get to choose what happens.
The victim’s desires and willingness to cooperate can be a factor. In this case I would have hoped the DA would have wanted to seek criminal charges on a half a million dollar theft from a school regardless of the Archdiocese desire.
Anyway, glad the Archdiocese is now on board with the criminal prosecution of an enormous and unconscionable theft.
The victim’s desires and willingness to cooperate can be a factor. In this case I would have hoped the DA would have wanted to seek criminal charges on a half a million dollar theft from a school regardless of the Archdiocese desire.
Anyway, glad the Archdiocese is now on board with the criminal prosecution of an enormous and unconscionable theft.
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FirstFiveEighth
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It sounds like their was an old bank account that was no longer used and therefore no longer monitored by the school/diocese. The nuns, being long tenured teachers/residents, were the only ones with the remaining institutional knowledge about it. So sounds to me like the older nun realized no one was supervising the account and started using it for personal use, meanwhile the bank thought it was being used by the church.
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