Nuns sue strip club, saying it's too close to convent

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freeRadical said:
What about movie theaters? Hooters?
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Here, let’s make it easy for you. Does the place of business support and promote grave sins? If so, then yes, it should be shut down.
freeRadical said:
What you are supporting is theocracy. I never thought I’d see someone on CAF supporting theocracy but I guess there is always a first time for everything.
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Actually, I’d consider myself more of a monarchist, but I’d take theocracy over democracy. My faith is far more important than my freedom, and I would hope most Catholics would feel the same way.

I think many Catholics nowadays consider themselves American first and Catholic second. This is one reason why our country is becoming more and more depraved.
 
larsont7 said:
Here, let’s make it easy for you. Does the place of business support and promote grave sins? If so, then yes, it should be shut down.

Actually, I’d consider myself more of a monarchist, but I’d take theocracy over democracy. My faith is far more important than my freedom, and I would hope most Catholics would feel the same way.

I think many Catholics nowadays consider themselves American first and Catholic second. This is one reason why our country is becoming more and more depraved.
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But you would only approve of a theocracy of it was a Catholic theocracy right?

Monarchist huh? But only a Catholic monarch right?
 
Peter_Plato said:
So you don’t think the omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent Creator of all that exists would be a good candidate for leading a country?
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Are you saying that God will personally lead a theocracy? Until Jesus comes back, I don’t see that happening. Until then, a human being will be in charge.
 
freeRadical said:
Are you saying that God will personally lead a theocracy? Until Jesus comes back, I don’t see that happening. Until then, a human being will be in charge.
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Makes no difference who is in charge as long as ultimately the will of the omniscient omnibenevolent, omnipotent God is being carried out. That, ultimately, is what a true theocracy is and what the Kingdom of Heaven signifies - rule by God. The most viable system of governance possible.
 
freeRadical said:
But you would only approve of a theocracy of it was a Catholic theocracy right?

Monarchist huh? But only a Catholic monarch right?
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Yes, yes, and yes. Granted, I will not likely see one of these in my lifetime, but it won’t stop me from praying for a government that will uphold Catholic principles and denounce moral depravity.

As a Catholic, I desire the salvation of all mankind. The more a nation allows “freedom” of sinful activity, and actually begins promoting it, the more the citizens become slaves to those sins and risk losing their salvation.
 
freeRadical said:
Another thing, since you’re for equal rights,why should the strip club be put out of the way?
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Because it’s the law. From the article:
The suit, filed against the club and the village of Stone Park, states that the club violates a state law against operating adult entertainment within 1,000 feet of a school or place of worship.
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larsont7 said:
Yes, yes, and yes. Granted, I will not likely see one of these in my lifetime, but it won’t stop me from praying for a government that will uphold Catholic principles and denounce moral depravity.

As a Catholic, I desire the salvation of all mankind. The more a nation allows “freedom” of sinful activity, and actually begins promoting it, the more the citizens become slaves to those sins and risk losing their salvation.
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As a Catholic, you should desire freedom for God’s children, not subjugation. Hasn’t history talk us the dangers of powerful central governments, theocracy or otherwise? As long as man is in charge of government, government is flawed, even under a theocracy. All men sin and fall short of the glory of God, even popes.

The danger of your thinking is that you would have to ban everything that you deem a moral depravity. Does that mean you would make adultery, premarital sex, and masturbation illegal? Would you put people in jail for that?
 
Peter_Plato said:
Makes no difference who is in charge as long as ultimately the will of the omniscient omnibenevolent, omnipotent God is being carried out. That, ultimately, is what a true theocracy is and what the Kingdom of Heaven signifies - rule by God. The most viable system of governance possible.
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You assume that the person in charge would follow God’s will. But the person in charge would still be a man and, thus, would still be flawed, would still sin, and would still fall short of the glory of God. A theocracy will only work once Jesus comes back and personally leads it.

Look at all the kings in the Old Testament that disobeyed God and abandoned Him, and their people suffered for it. David, Solomon, etc. And you think that wouldn’t happen again in a modern theocracy?
 
freeRadical said:
You assume that the person in charge would follow God’s will. But the person in charge would still be a man and, thus, would still be flawed, would still sin, and would still fall short of the glory of God. A theocracy will only work once Jesus comes back and personally leads it.

Look at all the kings in the Old Testament that disobeyed God and abandoned Him, and their people suffered for it. David, Solomon, etc. And you think that wouldn’t happen again in a modern theocracy?
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If Jesus came back to personally lead us and he explicitly stated that in his Kingdom adultery, SSM, sodomy, masturbation, etc. were not permitted, it sounds like you would reject his leadership because his laws do not permit the kind of “license” you believe humans ought to be free to engage in.

It sounds like it wouldn’t make a difference to you WHO was in charge of the government because you have your own take on what humans should be allowed to do. Read the Beatitudes and the “correctives” that follow them. Do you think Jesus would allow license or is self-control a principal hallmark of his moral view? Why do you think that is so? Isn’t he laying down the way to ultimate happiness and his way is NOT the way of “freedom” as you envision it? It is God’s knowledge of human nature that will guide us and that knowledge gives clear indication that self-indulgence is only an apparently effective means to happiness, one that will lead to sadness in the end. Again, read the Beatitudes in Matthew to frame what a Theocracy run by God would be like and what the means to ultimate human happiness is really about.
 
Peter_Plato said:
If Jesus came back to personally lead us and he explicitly stated that in his Kingdom adultery, SSM, sodomy, masturbation, etc. were not permitted, it sounds like you would reject his leadership because his laws do not permit the kind of “license” you believe humans ought to be free to engage in.

It sounds like it wouldn’t make a difference to you WHO was in charge of the government because you have your own take on what humans should be allowed to do. Read the Beatitudes and the “correctives” that follow them. Do you think Jesus would allow license or is self-control a principal hallmark of his moral view? Why do you think that is so? Isn’t he laying down the way to ultimate happiness and his way is NOT the way of “freedom” as you envision it? It is God’s knowledge of human nature that will guide us and that knowledge gives clear indication that self-indulgence is only an apparently effective means to happiness, one that will lead to sadness in the end. Again, read the Beatitudes in Matthew to frame what a Theocracy run by God would be like and what the means to ultimate human happiness is really about.
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You are making a lot of unwarranted and uncharitable assumptions and generalities about me.

To me, the point of the whole matter is this: God gives us free will and he gives us choice. We can choose to sin or not to sin and we can choose to follow God and keep his commandments and obey him or we can not. Yet there are many in this thread that advocate a system of government where people don’t have the freedom to choose whether or not they sin, or choose whether or not they follow God and obey him.
 
freeRadical said:
You are making a lot of unwarranted and uncharitable assumptions and generalities about me.

To me, the point of the whole matter is this: God gives us free will and he gives us choice. We can choose to sin or not to sin and we can choose to follow God and keep his commandments and obey him or we can not. Yet there are many in this thread that advocate a system of government where people don’t have the freedom to choose whether or not they sin, or choose whether or not they follow God and obey him.
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So you are advocating a system of government where people should be allowed to do what they want, to obey laws or not and, in short, have the freedom of choice (license) that I assumed you were advocating, but for making that “unwarranted” assumption you say I am being uncharitable. Yet you just confirmed that you, indeed, are advocating for the license on the part of individuals to do what they want regarding God’s laws.

If you are advocating that individuals should only be free to break God’s laws and not those of the state, perhaps you should explain why human made state laws should be accorded that special status, but the laws of the Creator of the universe not so much.
 
The Nuns could have this place shut down in no time if they strategize. Parade in front of the business praying the Rosary and video tape it all comings and goings. They need to be very vocal and upfront. 9 out of 10 guys will stop coming. They will not want the hassle. Without the patronage the business will close down in 8 to 12 months tops.

I pray for you sisters. Don’t use the courts, it will only make these pervs braver when they win. I say expose the darkness to light and watch the roaches scurry for shelter.

Peace:thumbsup:
 
ProdigalSun said:
The Nuns could have this place shut down in no time if they strategize. Parade in front of the business praying the Rosary and video tape it all comings and goings. They need to be very vocal and upfront. 9 out of 10 guys will stop coming. They will not want the hassle. Without the patronage the business will close down in 8 to 12 months tops.

I pray for you sisters. Don’t use the courts, it will only make these pervs braver when they win. I say expose the darkness to light and watch the roaches scurry for shelter.

Peace:thumbsup:
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Good idea. If I could join the sisters outside praying the rosary I would.

Where sin abounds, grace shines even more brightly.
 
larsont7 said:
Here, let’s make it easy for you. Does the place of business support and promote grave sins? If so, then yes, it should be shut down.

Actually, I’d consider myself more of a monarchist, but I’d take theocracy over democracy. My faith is far more important than my freedom, and I would hope most Catholics would feel the same way.

I think many Catholics nowadays consider themselves American first and Catholic second. This is one reason why our country is becoming more and more depraved.
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Peter_Plato said:
So you are advocating a system of government where people should be allowed to do what they want, to obey laws or not and, in short, have the freedom of choice (license) that I assumed you were advocating, .
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That does sound exactly what FreeRad is proposing. A society where there are no laws against rape, murder or theft.

Otherwise, it would fall into the very thing FreeRad spoke against:
Yet there are many in this thread that advocate a system of government where people don’t have the freedom to choose whether or not they sin, or choose whether or not they follow God and obey him.
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Peter_Plato said:
If Jesus came back to personally lead us and he explicitly stated that in his Kingdom adultery, SSM, sodomy, masturbation, etc. were not permitted, it sounds like you would reject his leadership because his laws do not permit the kind of “license” you believe humans ought to be free to engage in.

It sounds like it wouldn’t make a difference to you WHO was in charge of the government because you have your own take on what humans should be allowed to do. Read the Beatitudes and the “correctives” that follow them. Do you think Jesus would allow license or is self-control a principal hallmark of his moral view? Why do you think that is so? Isn’t he laying down the way to ultimate happiness and his way is NOT the way of “freedom” as you envision it? It is God’s knowledge of human nature that will guide us and that knowledge gives clear indication that self-indulgence is only an apparently effective means to happiness, one that will lead to sadness in the end. Again, read the Beatitudes in Matthew to frame what a Theocracy run by God would be like and what the means to ultimate human happiness is really about.
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You do know that Jesus was on earth during an empire which did much worse and he never shut it down. Christian kings often didn’t make prostitution illegal in they’re territory’s I think that you are advocating for a type of Christian government that had never been successfully tried and would require extreme tyranny.
 
Well, if a bunch of wives, mothers or girlfriends were to see where their beloved man-children were hanging out and wasting their money-that would go a long way in solving the problem of “boys being boys.” Surprised that a Rosary Society hasn’t started a prayer chain in the parking lot of said business.
 
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