NY priest under fire

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sskelly said:
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I hope this priest had learned he can’t express his opinions. (OK for the NY Times to drag the Church through the mud during Holy Week though.) There are those who seek vengeance, and then there are Christians who are called to forgive and turn the other cheek. Who’d ya rather sit next to on a plane?
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I’m Catholic and his comments make me want to throw up. Nothing like blaming those who report the sin rather than those who commit it. Guess he never reads it if it doesn’t mention Catholic clergy because I’ve read my share of various reports that involved Jews, Anglicans, Pentecostals, etc.

I know a Catholic photojournalist who, when offered a job filming an ordination, replied, “No, sorry, I’m not interested. I don’t want to find myself doing a job and then possibly having to report on a crime committed by the same guy a few years down the road.” Distortion & hyperbole is not limited to only one group.
 
sskelly said:
There are those who seek vengeance, and then there are Christians who are called to forgive and turn the other cheek. Who’d ya rather sit next to on a plane?
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What does it matter whom you sit next to?? Don’t get your point.
 
Tsk, tsk. A priest should know to be careful of intemperate and inflammatory language.
 
Phemie said:
I’m Catholic and his comments make me want to throw up. Nothing like blaming those who report the sin rather than those who commit it. Guess he never reads it if it doesn’t mention Catholic clergy because I’ve read my share of various reports that involved Jews, Anglicans, Pentecostals, etc.

I know a Catholic photojournalist who, when offered a job filming an ordination, replied, “No, sorry, I’m not interested. I don’t want to find myself doing a job and then possibly having to report on a crime committed by the same guy a few years down the road.” Distortion & hyperbole is not limited to only one group.
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I, too think that Church leaders must be acountable and contrite especially when making public comments. I do believe, however, that this article underscores the frustration most priests feel being linked in any way to this scandal.

It may not be politically correct to acknowledge the fact that the Jews control the press, but it nevertheless is pretty much true.

Unfortunately, to say so in a public manner as this priest did, does not really accomplish anything. Actually, it comes off a bit childish. I think he was humbled because he had to offer a public apology based on orders from the Bishop…Ouch!
 
cargau said:
I, too think that Church leaders must be acountable and contrite especially when making public comments. I do believe, however, that this article underscores the frustration most priests feel being linked in any way to this scandal.

It may not be politically correct to acknowledge the fact that the Jews control the press, but it nevertheless is pretty much true.

Unfortunately, to say so in a public manner as this priest did, does not really accomplish anything. Actually, it comes off a bit childish. I think he was humbled because he had to offer a public apology based on orders from the Bishop…Ouch!
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Do the Jews really control the press? Rupert Murdoch is Jewish, and he controls a lot of different media outlet, but that’s a very different thing from “the Jews” controlling the press. Jeff Zucker is Jewish and the CEO of NBC, but look at how totally different Murdoch’s networks and NBC are; they sure aren’t working together. That second argument is bigotry, and that’s what this particular priest was making.

Jewish people may hold prominent positions in the media, but that’s extremely different from “the Jews” controlling the press, since that implies that they are all working together in a massive conspiracy to…do something.
 
Phemie said:
I’m Catholic and his comments make me want to throw up. Nothing like blaming those who report the sin rather than those who commit it. Guess he never reads it if it doesn’t mention Catholic clergy because I’ve read my share of various reports that involved Jews, Anglicans, Pentecostals, etc.
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Have you ever read a report that claimed that there is something systemic or even deliberate about Judaism, Anglicanism, Pentecostalism or any other religion which encourages, supports and promotes sexual abuse? I haven’t. But that is the implication or even explicit asssertion in almost every secualr media commentary on sexual abuse by someone who happens to be employed by the Catholic Church.
 
Petergee said:
Where did you get that idea? Rupert Murdoch is a Catholic.
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Really? I always thought Rupert Murdoch was Jewish. I have no idea why. He’s the guy I didn’t bother to look up because I was certain that he was.
 
Blaming the “Jewish conspiracy” has been a major faux pas for the past 60 years. I see it’s coming back into style again.

How sickening.
 
Lujack said:
Really? I always thought Rupert Murdoch was Jewish. I have no idea why. He’s the guy I didn’t bother to look up because I was certain that he was.
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Not only a Catholic but a Papal Knight.
 
Petergee said:
Have you ever read a report that claimed that there is something systemic or even deliberate about Judaism, Anglicanism, Pentecostalism or any other religion which encourages, supports and promotes sexual abuse? I haven’t. But that is the implication or even explicit asssertion in almost every secualr media commentary on sexual abuse by someone who happens to be employed by the Catholic Church.
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When you finally discover that one organization has had multiple abusers working for it and that the leader of that organization has been shuffling the abusers throughout it rather than protecting the children therein, you come to the conlusion that it is systemic. Note that I am speaking of individual (arch)dioceses here. At that level there is documented proof of such orchestrated coverups.

Now when this happens in multiple (arch)dioceses, it raises the obvious question as to whether there has been some sort of coverup at the next level up.

This doesn’t appear to have happened in the case of most other denominations or even schools. There have been incidents where a particular school district has been found to be complicit in abuse by multiple teachers/principals, but nothing to indicate that there may have been collusion among multiple districts to hide the problem.

The only similar situation is the coverage of the BSA and the centralized files they had on abuse and leaders. Now that those files have been made accessible to investigators we will be able to see what sorts of coverups existed and how much was to prevent individuals from becoming leaders in another jurisdiction-the reason given by BSA for keeping the records.

It is important to note that a good deal of the anger generated by the situation goes beyond the actual abuse itself to the coverups that occurred. An institution can be excused for something that happens when caused by an employee, but when the institution’s leadership actively participates in the action by covering it up, that taint travels from the individual to the organization until there is clear proof that all who supported the coverup have been dealt with. Otherwise it is entirely possible that it will happen again.
 
Non_Serviam said:
When you finally discover that one organization has had multiple abusers working for it and that the leader of that organization has been shuffling the abusers throughout it rather than protecting the children therein, you come to the conlusion that it is systemic. Note that I am speaking of individual (arch)dioceses here. At that level there is documented proof of such orchestrated coverups.

Now when this happens in multiple (arch)dioceses, it raises the obvious question as to whether there has been some sort of coverup at the next level up.

This doesn’t appear to have happened in the case of most other denominations or even schools. There have been incidents where a particular school district has been found to be complicit in abuse by multiple teachers/principals, but nothing to indicate that there may have been collusion among multiple districts to hide the problem.

The only similar situation is the coverage of the BSA and the centralized files they had on abuse and leaders. Now that those files have been made accessible to investigators we will be able to see what sorts of coverups existed and how much was to prevent individuals from becoming leaders in another jurisdiction-the reason given by BSA for keeping the records.

It is important to note that a good deal of the anger generated by the situation goes beyond the actual abuse itself to the coverups that occurred. An institution can be excused for something that happens when caused by an employee, but when the institution’s leadership actively participates in the action by covering it up, that taint travels from the individual to the organization until there is clear proof that all who supported the coverup have been dealt with. Otherwise it is entirely possible that it will happen again.
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You are mistaken. Exactly the same sort of shuffling accused and even proven perpetrators around, ignoring/minimising/dismissing the problem, discouraging reporting to police etcx, has occurred in every major organisation involving young people, educational, social, sporting, religious, secular and governmental. Government-run school systems/education bureacrats/politicians have been some of the worst such offenders. As have ironically the medical profession especially psychiatrists and psychologists who until recent years were telling bishops and leaders of other groyups taht a perpetrator was “cured” and no longer a danger. And in most cases these organisaitions did so to a worse degree than Catholic bishops did and have taken longer to bring inrules to stop it happening. That is one reason why the focus on the Catholic Church is so hypocritical.

The seciond readson is that the implicit or explicit aim of the campaign is to undermine the Church’s efforts to promote sexual morality. The subtext is. “look even the Catholic bishops are hypocrites, you may as well fornicate, adulterate, contracept, abort, sodomise as much as you like because everyone else is doing it”.
 
Petergee said:
I didn’t say he was a GOOD Catholic.
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This article, amongst others, says he is NOT a Catholic, good or bad. His second wife, Anna, however is.

I have seen nothing that suggest that he has become a member of the Church since this article was written.

Have you read something somewhere that says he IS a Catholic? Because I cant find it.
 
Marie5890 said:
This article, amongst others, says he is NOT a Catholic, good or bad. His second wife, Anna, however is.

I have seen nothing that suggest that he has become a member of the Church since this article was written.

Have you read something somewhere that says he IS a Catholic? Because I cant find it.
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Sorry, I stand corrected. He appears to be a non-practising protestant (albeit he seems concerned about the encroachment of Islam against Christian civilisation.) He did marry Anna in the Catholic Church apparently. At any rate, he has never had any connection with Judaism.
 
I should add that although Murdoch’s publications in Australia are by no means Catholic-friendly, his main daily newspapers (including The Australian, the Sydney Daily Telegraph, the Brisbane Courier-Mail and the Melbourne Herald-Sun) have rarely descended to the muckracking viciously anti-Catholic campaigns we have seen in recent years from their major competition (the Sydney Morning Herald, the Melbourne Age, the ABC [Australain Broadcasting Corporation]).
 
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