O.C. voters were duped into GOP registration

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LCMS_No_More:
Only in Central OC. Some of the most rabidly right-wing congresspersons are from OC and there is only ONE Democrat congressperson from Santa Ana/Anaheim…and truth to tell, that sticks in the craw of most Anaheim residents who make Rush Limbaugh look like Karl Marx.
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Rabid or not, the county is not as right wing as you are making it out to be.

30% of the population is hispanic. Only 51% of the population is white. See:
fullerton.edu/cdr/cities/Orange%20County.pdf

Now if you are saying there are a lot of hispanic Republicans in Orange County… OK, say it.
 
Morning Glory said:
**I see people blaming the Republicans. I see people blaming the Democrats. Unfortunately, you will fighting this “war” forever.

What about the people who didn’t take the time to read what they were signing? Not having the backbone to say no, until after the deed was done? The ones responsible here are the signers of the petitions.**
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The circumstances around the whole thing are filthy. As an example, a signature gatherer would bait a person with a reasonable sounding petition for a proposition. They’d then say, oh, you have to sign this other form, too. The wouldn’t let the person read it but say that their signature on the petition wouldn’t count unless they signed the second form. I’ve worked in that area and know that it’s dirty pool to do that but most Americans are not well educated in how their government works (as one who works in public service, I hear it on the phone…every single day I’m at work), so they just go along to get along and sign.

Bad idea? Absolutely. Does it happen anyway? All the time.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Only in Central OC. Some of the most rabidly right-wing congresspersons are from OC
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This person actually foams at the mouth? I’m curious, how do you define a *rabidly right-wing congressperson?
and there is only ONE Democrat congressperson from Santa Ana/Anaheim…and truth to tell, that sticks in the craw of most Anaheim residents who make Rush Limbaugh look like Karl Marx.
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How do you know what sticks in the craw of these residents? Also, how can you explain the notion these residents make Rush Limbaugh look like Karl Marx? What do these residents do or have they done to lead you to such a conclusion?
 
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bapcathluth:
Thank you, Semper Fi, for speaking out against this action. I don’t condone it by Republicans or Democrats. The fact that these people were paid per signature probably accounts for their stooping to these tactics, and if Democrats pay per signature, could do the same thing.
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No problem, I think it was rude of you to ask as if all Republicans supported this however. It’s like asking, “have you stopped beating your wife yet?” 😉 I don’t want Democrats to vote in Republican primaries. 😃
 
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bapcathluth:
And that should be denounced as well. We shouldn’t just say, “Oh, well what’s the big deal, they will vote Republican anyway.”
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All criminal behavior has been denounced on this Catholic site. You seem to think we all agree with the actions and I don’t know why you would think that.
 
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Geldain:
This person actually foams at the mouth? I’m curious, how do you define a *rabidly right-wing congressperson?

How do you know what sticks in the craw of these residents? Also, how can you explain the notion these residents make Rush Limbaugh look like Karl Marx? What do these residents do or have they done to lead you to such a conclusion?
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Because I have lived in Southern California ALL MY LIFE (save for a two years up north). It’s called experience.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Because I have lived in Southern California ALL MY LIFE (save for a two years up north). It’s called experience.
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Interesting. Please elaborate. What do your fellow residents actually say that leads you to make the comment they “Rush Limbaugh look like Karl Marx”, specifically?

Will you answer my other question, please? How do you define a *rabidly right-wing congressperson?
 
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Geldain:
Interesting. Please elaborate. What do your fellow residents actually say that leads you to make the comment they “Rush Limbaugh look like Karl Marx”, specifically?

Will you answer my other question, please? How do you define a *rabidly right-wing congressperson?
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Try this word: hyperbole

This is so typical of the mode with which the right argues. They argue the minutae instead of the substance.

Obtuseness seems to be a character trait for the right.

To be honest, I’d rather argue with a brick wall…I’d get more responses to what I say instead of how I say it.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Try this word: hyperbole
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Hyperbole being a rhetorical style. Note style, not substance.
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LCMS_No_More:
This is so typical of the mode with which the right argues. They argue the minutae instead of the substance.
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This is merely an unsubstantiated attack on those composing the right. It has nothing to do with what they have to say. Therefore it is an ad hominem attack. Moreover, as I have demonstrated, it is stylistic, not substantive.

Please given an example of where “the right” have argued the minutiae (note spelling) instead of the substance. In that way, we can respond. Without you specifying, it is merely you talking and not you contributing to an open discussion.
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LCMS_No_More:
Obtuseness seems to be a character trait for the right.
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Another ad hominem attack. Do you have some kind of special privilege to post thus? If so, please describe same.
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LCMS_No_More:
To be honest, I’d rather argue with a brick wall…I’d get more responses to what I say instead of how I say it.
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Please feel free.

If you want to have a response to what you say, then please say something of substantive note rather than something of stylistic note.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Personal attack.
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Did you post this?
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LCMS_No_More:
rabidly right-wing congressperson
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Did you post this?
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LCMS_No_More:
Anaheim residents who make Rush Limbaugh look like Karl Marx.
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Are these posts noted for their substantive contributions to the discussion? Or are they stylistic? Inflammatory? Personal attacks?
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Try this word: hyperbole

This is so typical of the mode with which the right argues. They argue the minutae instead of the substance.
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So it’s your exerience these residents make these statements out of a need for hyperbole?

Words mean things. From where I sit, you’ve not presented anything to argue. Make a substantive argument and I sure someone will have an equally substantive response.
Obtuseness seems to be a character trait for the right.
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Name calling is not permitted in these forums. You might want to read the forum guidelines.
[To be honest, I’d rather argue with a brick wall…I’d get more responses to what I say instead of how I say it.
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Who’s forcing you to argue in these forums?
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Semper Fi:
I don’t want Democrats to vote in Republican primaries. 😃
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Around my parts, lots of democrats vote in the republican primary. In local elections, it can happen that only one party even will put up a candidate, so the real election is the primary, so if they want to have a say, they vote in the (republican) primary.

No, I don’t particularly like this either.

Registering people to vote against their will is evil. Heck, they may get called to jury duty as a result. It has actual consequences. For all I know, in some states the primaries are not open, in which case you deprive them of the right to vote in their chosen primary. Anyone else know about this (open primaries)? Also, if the person alters their address, then they can’t vote in the local elections, thus actually depriving someone of the vote.
 
  1. I posted a story from the Orange County Register. A paper well known for its right-wing/libertarian bias.
  2. Someone complains about the “MSM” reporting a negative story about the action of Republcians.
  3. I reiterate the OC Register bias and state that OC is one of the most conservative counties in the US.
  4. Someone says that OC has a lot of latinos (as though that has anything to do with it).
  5. I make hyperbolic statements about how right-wing many OC residents are.
  6. I’m asked to prove my hyperbolic statements.
  7. After this kind of discussion in thread after thread after thread, I see a pattern of obtuseness, usually by “conservative” posters. I comment on it.
  8. I’m the bad guy.
Noted.
 
See my other post. I’m tired of this. It’s obtuse and ridiculous. I make a statement about HOW right wing MANY OC residents (especially Anaheim residents) are and I’m asked to prove my statement beyond the shadow of the possibility of any doubt whatsoever.

How does claiming that the “MSM” reported this when the “MSM” did NOT report it, a paper known for its right-wing/libertarian bias did.
 
Orange County is known to be a bastion Republican politics in a state that is generally Democratic. In the last presidential election, California was strongly blue and for Kerry, but Orange County was strongly red and voted for Bush. This was not an anomoly but the trend for many decades. I don’t see how the Hispanic population of Orange County is at all relevant.
 
No one here condones the actions of the person that did this. No one here knows why they did it. We can all speculate. However, there is not need for anyone to mad at us for our reactions. We have all seen dumb actions in both parties when elections are involved. As one poster alluded to, in Chicago many dead Democrats vote. Every time someone really does the research, they come up with abuses. I think these type of thing are sick and not to be tolerated. The abuses in Chicago are well, legendary. The fact that this guy did this in OC is actually not unheard of. I just don’t know what he thought he would gain. Will these people be able to switch back in time for the next election? I believe they will be able to. So he will be in trouble with the law, and they will get their party of choice back. It is unfortunate that these things continue to happen. It is unfortunate that things like this from either party are not rare. Being Catholic, we all know that these things should not happen. More people of faith need to be involved in politics- people that don’t leave their faith at home.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
1. I posted a story from the Orange County Register. A paper well known for its right-wing/libertarian bias.
  1. Someone complains about the “MSM” reporting a negative story about the action of Republcians.
  2. I reiterate the OC Register bias and state that OC is one of the most conservative counties in the US.
  3. Someone says that OC has a lot of latinos (as though that has anything to do with it).
  4. I make hyperbolic statements about how right-wing many OC residents are.
  5. I’m asked to prove my hyperbolic statements.
  6. After this kind of discussion in thread after thread after thread, I see a pattern of obtuseness, usually by “conservative” posters. I comment on it.
  7. I’m the bad guy.
Noted.
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Your assessment of the posts questioning your behaviour is erroneous. Noted.
 
Ani Ibi:
Your assessment of the posts questioning your behaviour is erroneous. Noted.
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Then show me where I err. I await enlightenment from your superior intellect.
 
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