Obama Admin knew millions could not keep their health ins.

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It’s one thing to mislead and lie to Americans on Fast & Furious or Benghazi, but to mislead and lie to Americans on their OWN PERSONAL healthcare, it’s just comprehensible. I’m all for coverage of pre-existing conditions, but it doesn’t take a hostile takeover of 1/5 of the US economy by this administration to accomplish it.
 
It’s one thing to mislead and lie to Americans on Fast & Furious or Benghazi, but to mislead and lie to Americans on their OWN PERSONAL healthcare, it’s just comprehensible. I’m all for coverage of pre-existing conditions, but it doesn’t take a hostile takeover of 1/5 of the US economy by this administration to accomplish it.
Imagine what could happen if the Democrats get a majority in both houses of congress in 2014. What other big plans do they have for us?
 
Why not start your own private, personal health insurance business - like this.
If you currently spend $300 per month on health insurance then put that aside in a different bank account and pay into it from your current account every month by standing order.
By the end of one year you’ll have an insurance policy worth $3,600. By the end of 10 years you’ll have a ‘policy’ worth $36,600, in 20 years $72,000. So your best health insurance is your own plus a change to a healthier lifestyle and diet with masses of easy physical exercise to keep you fit and healthy for longer. And the best thing of all is that you don’t lose the money you have paid on your ‘private health policy’ because all that money is still sitting in your 5 or 10 year savings account gathering interest, no less. Everyone could create a policy they could afford, both spouses and even their older children could have their own…🙂
Hi Paddy,

The problem with that is that the $72,000 wouldn’t pay for a major medical issue, and the illness may happen before the money is saved. However, you are close to describing what was put into place in the Bush Administration - health savings accounts. The idea is that you get lower cost, major medical insurance coverage, so the major medical issue will be covered. That coverage would have a high deductible, so you would put money away in a health savings account, which accrues interest tax free. That money is yours. If a major medical issue never comes up, then you keep it or pass it on to your heirs. Also, you can tap that money for minor medical costs, like regular check-ups, if you need to.
 
Hi Paddy,

The problem with that is that the $72,000 wouldn’t pay for a major medical issue, and the illness may happen before the money is saved. However, you are close to describing what was put into place in the Bush Administration - health savings accounts. The idea is that you get lower cost, major medical insurance coverage, so the major medical issue will be covered. That coverage would have a high deductible, so you would put money away in a health savings account, which accrues interest tax free. That money is yours. If a major medical issue never comes up, then you keep it or pass it on to your heirs. Also, you can tap that money for minor medical costs, like regular check-ups, if you need to.
You know that makes too much sense… 👍
 
Hi Paddy,

The problem with that is that the $72,000 wouldn’t pay for a major medical issue, and the illness may happen before the money is saved. However, you are close to describing what was put into place in the Bush Administration - health savings accounts. The idea is that you get lower cost, major medical insurance coverage, so the major medical issue will be covered. That coverage would have a high deductible, so you would put money away in a health savings account, which accrues interest tax free. That money is yours. If a major medical issue never comes up, then you keep it or pass it on to your heirs. Also, you can tap that money for minor medical costs, like regular check-ups, if you need to.
…I’m a genius…😉
 
You know that makes too much sense… 👍
The problem, of course, is that it is something an individual must choose to do. Liberals don’t like giving people the freedom to choose (unless it’s abortion) because some people will choose not to. It is much better to force everyone to do what you want them to do.

I have thought about similar “forced” methods that may actually work. What if we automatically removed x% of paychecks and put them into an HSA sort of account that belonged to the individual? The funds could be invested in various manners and grow tax free, but they could only be used for medical needs. Then, allow people to purchase whatever other insurance they want…low deductible, high deductible, full coverage with copays, etc.

I realize it is still an intrusive reach of the federal government, but at least the funds would still be under the individual’s control. The same could be done with Social Security.
 
I always thought there would be unwelcome unintended consequences from this law, but I didn’t think it would be as blatant and sudden as this. Maybe single payer healthcare would have been a better option – and a harder sell.
 
I always thought there would be unwelcome unintended consequences from this law, but I didn’t think it would be as blatant and sudden as this. Maybe single payer healthcare would have been a better option – and a harder sell.
So partial socialization with Obamacare is a catastrophic failure, and your solution is more govt? Go full-bore with the socialization?

Astonishing.

Could you please point out some areas where govt has shown even marginal competence to be trusted to handle something like this?
 
Now of course, there will be a line of Obamacare apologists who will flock to this thread to apologize and issue their mea culpas. They said that conservative predictions (that have come true) were pure fantasy that were never going to happen. Now that it is happening, I’m sure they will all step up to the plate and admit they were wrong.

Right???
 
Now of course, there will be a line of Obamacare apologists who will flock to this thread to apologize and issue their mea culpas. They said that conservative predictions (that have come true) were pure fantasy that were never going to happen. Now that it is happening, I’m sure they will all step up to the plate and admit they were wrong.

Right???
Yeah. I noticed our liberal CAF posters have been mysteriously quiet as of late when it comes to Obamacare. I’m guessing they are waiting in the hope that it will get better, so they can say “see, evil, racist, bigoted conservatives who hate the poor and elderly…Obamacare does work!”

I hope they aren’t holding their breath waiting for improvement. 😛
 
Yeah. I noticed our liberal CAF posters have been mysteriously quiet as of late when it comes to Obamacare. I’m guessing they are waiting in the hope that it will get better, so they can say “see, evil, racist, bigoted conservatives who hate the poor and elderly…Obamacare does work!”

I hope they aren’t holding their breath waiting for improvement. 😛
Amen!😉
 
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I always thought there would be unwelcome unintended consequences from this law, but I didn’t think it would be as blatant and sudden as this. Maybe single payer healthcare would have been a better option – and a harder sell.
Why have multiple countries with single payer turned to part privatisation? Is it that single payer health care is financially unsustainable?

jhppl.dukejournals.org/content/31/5/981.abstract

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20948446

tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09654313.2011.571056

Privatization may also come to the National Health Service

bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f1848
 
At 55, I was paying about about $400 for myself after COBRA. How’s that?

What do these guys want? Free gasoline too?
In would have preferred to have kept my policy and my premiums the way they were before Obamacare was passed. i would prefer to not have been forced to drop insurance coverage for my employees
 
I always thought there would be unwelcome unintended consequences from this law, but I didn’t think it would be as blatant and sudden as this. Maybe single payer healthcare would have been a better option – and a harder sell.
Why have multiple countries with single payer turned to part privatisation? Is it that single payer health care is financially unsustainable?

jhppl.dukejournals.org/content/31/5/981.abstract

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20948446

tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09654313.2011.571056

Privatization may also come to the National Health Service

bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f1848🤷
 
I always thought there would be unwelcome unintended consequences from this law, but I didn’t think it would be as blatant and sudden as this. Maybe single payer healthcare would have been a better option – and a harder sell.
Why have multiple countries with single payer turned to part privatisation? Is it that single payer health care is financially unsustainable?

jhppl.dukejournals.org/content/31/5/981.abstract

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20948446

tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09654313.2011.571056

Privatization may also come to the National Health Service

bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f1848😦
 
I always thought there would be unwelcome unintended consequences from this law, but I didn’t think it would be as blatant and sudden as this. Maybe single payer healthcare would have been a better option – and a harder sell.
Why have multiple countries with single payer turned to part privatisation? Is it that single payer health care is financially unsustainable?

jhppl.dukejournals.org/content/31/5/981.abstract

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20948446

tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09654313.2011.571056

Privatization may also come to the National Health Service

bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f1848:cool:
 
I always thought there would be unwelcome unintended consequences from this law, but I didn’t think it would be as blatant and sudden as this. Maybe single payer healthcare would have been a better option – and a harder sell.
Why have multiple countries with single payer turned to part privatisation? Is it that single payer health care is financially unsustainable?

jhppl.dukejournals.org/content/31/5/981.abstract

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20948446

tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09654313.2011.571056

Privatization may also come to the National Health Service

bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f1848:eek:
 
I always thought there would be unwelcome unintended consequences from this law, but I didn’t think it would be as blatant and sudden as this. Maybe single payer healthcare would have been a better option – and a harder sell.
Why have multiple countries with single payer turned to part privatisation? Is it that single payer health care is financially unsustainable?

jhppl.dukejournals.org/content/31/5/981.abstract

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20948446

tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09654313.2011.571056

Privatization may also come to the National Health Service

bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f1848:confused:
 
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