Have you been watching the news?Dr. Carson said:
" But there are people who are claiming that they can lead this country who dare not call this tragedy an act of racism, a hate crime, for fear of offending a particular segment of the electorate."
To whom is Dr. Carson referring? Which candidates have been reluctant to call it racism? And please, do not answer, “because they are vague on taking down the Confederate flag”
Ishii
I don’t think there is a problem with what Santorum said though. The article is June 18, the day after the shootings of June 17th, if I have the timeline correct. The gunman might not have even been apprehended by the time Santorum was speaking, is this not so. Are we to jump to conclusions?Have you been watching the news?
I could start with Sen. Santorum who simultaneously declared “we don’t know the rationale”
and labeled it a hate crime as well as an assault on religious liberty. Link
The rationale was clearly stated. Avoiding the issue is just a stupefying response.
Seekerz - “never waste a tragedy” - exploit the shooting for maximum political gain - is a political strategy I’ve come to expect from the Democrat left, but I didn’t expect to see it coming from ben Carson. Very disappointing. I am even less likely to support him now than before.What do you mean by “playing the race card”? Is nobody ever allowed to call out racism even when it introduces itself by name?
Try again. We knew what the police was saying almost immediately, regardless of the suspect’s apprehension. And he was caught early the next morning.I don’t think there is a problem with what Santorum said though. The article is June 18, the day after the shootings of June 17th, if I have the timeline correct. The gunman might not have even been apprehended by the time Santorum was speaking, is this not so. Are we to jump to conclusions?
In fact, this schedule seems to show Piscopo comes on early in the morning; 8 AM EST. This would clearly be before the suspect was apprehended. am970theanswer.com/Shows/L1673
If my time line is off, I apologize for any error that could mislead people. If I am correct, his statement we didn’t know the rationale was probably correct for when he said this, Thursday morning. We may have suspected the rationale for the crime but this was still within 12 hours of the shooting.
I have come to expect this type of response that Carson is getting, so I’m not surprised. The truth hurts…so sad.Seekerz - “never waste a tragedy” - exploit the shooting for maximum political gain - is a political strategy I’ve come to expect from the Democrat left, but I didn’t expect to see it coming from ben Carson. Very disappointing. I am even less likely to support him now than before.
Ishii
No, I’m not going to try again. I have no reason to.Try again. We knew what the police was saying almost immediately, regardless of the suspect’s apprehension. And he was caught early the next morning.
Besides, if he didn’t know it was race-motivated, how could he jump to the conclusion that it was an attack on faith?
It did happen in a Church, the day this happened, we suspected it was a racist attack but I don’t think we were fully sure of this fact. He attended the Bible study, people kill others for a whole myriad of reasons.Besides, if he didn’t know it was race-motivated, how could he jump to the conclusion that it was an attack on faith?
I questioned your reasoning - not your honesty. I follow the news 24/7. The police gave the rationale for the shooting almost immediately - it isn’t multiple choice.No, I’m not going to try again. I have no reason to.
You want to make premature judgements, be my guest but please don’t question my honesty or that of others.
The shooter gave his reason, right then, right there.It did happen in a Church, the day this happened, we suspected it was a racist attack but I don’t think we were fully sure of this fact. He attended the Bible study, people kill others for a whole myriad of reasons.
So Santorum alludes to both situations as if this is some great crime. I certainly did not see Rick Santorum ever commemorate the Confederate Flag as some politicians did.
Those are your facts, mine are different. We know a white youth killed people in a historical African American Church, beyond that we don’t know much more and I also follow the news 24/7 as anecdotal as that is.I questioned your reasoning - not your honesty. I follow the news 24/7. The police gave the rationale for the shooting almost immediately - it isn’t multiple choice.
“Your facts”? I’ll take the facts given by the police, thank you very much. Unless you have a source that they don’t…Those are your facts, mine are different. We know a white youth killed people in a historical African American Church, beyond that we don’t know much more and I also follow the news 24/7 as anecdotal as that is.
Okay, provide the facts by the police and we will see.“Your facts”? I’ll take the facts given by the police, thank you very much. Unless you have a source that they don’t…
Sorry I don’t have the cable news transcripts, but a CAF thread as a source is no better than my own memory. Police were calling it a hate crime from the night it happened and they were reporting witnesses statements (he said he was there to kill black people and made comments about rape and women) next morning - well before he was apprehended.Okay, provide the facts by the police and we will see.
I see in this thread on the original event, no one here following the story called it racist for the first few pages up until noon on the 18th: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=965539&page=4
Meaning people here probably had the same impression as Rick Santorum.
So, if you care to actually provide the facts the Police said instead of just your own opinion, maybe we can find some agreement.
It is a shame that people would exploit this tragedy for political gain. I half expect to see someone claim the shooter was a member of the tea party. It looks like Bill Mahr has said something to the effect that obviously the shooter got his information and news from Fox. Despicable and really sad that some look at a tragedy and think, “how can we get more votes from this?”I have come to expect this type of response that Carson is getting, so I’m not surprised. The truth hurts…so sad.
Despicable and sad is right on…these days people don’t even seem to be able to say “good morning” or even “God bless you” to a person of a different political persuasion. Immediately something happens they trot off to google the talking points of the hour (or maybe it finds them by email?). Terribly sad.It is a shame that people would exploit this tragedy for political gain. I half expect to see someone claim the shooter was a member of the tea party. It looks like Bill Mahr has said something to the effect that obviously the shooter got his information and news from Fox. Despicable and really sad that some look at a tragedy and think, “how can we get more votes from this?”
Ishii
You have provided no links, since you talked of “reason” and a lack of per another poster here, I will settle for the other thread and any links, press stories. Since you have provided no links, no proof, no stories, there is no reason to continue this conversation if it is just about accusing others.Sorry I don’t have the cable news transcripts, but a CAF thread as a source is no better than my own memory. Police were calling it a hate crime from the night it happened and they were reporting witnesses statements (he said he was there to kill black people and made comments about rape and women) next morning - well before he was apprehended.
Accusing Ben Carson is warranted and proven?You have provided no links, since you talked of “reason” and a lack of per another poster here, I will settle for the other thread and any links, press stories. Since you have provided no links, no proof, no stories, there is no reason to continue this conversation if it is just about accusing others.
I think the negative words per Senator Santorum are unwarranted and definitely unproven.