Obama and Romney Hit Final Stretch Part 3

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Tampa_Dave said:
What would Biden, Obama, Sebelius and Pelosi know about Catholicism? Obama is purportedly a Protestant of some faith, so I understand his position. The others should sign up for Catechism refresher classes.
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Ryan could use a refresher as well.
 
ringil said:
Ryan could use a refresher as well.
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Why? Subsidiarity issues? I’m not sure to what you’re referring to. I’m not that up to date on liberal Catholic objections to Paul Ryan (as a matter of my own ignorance). :confused:
 
Seriously:

If Romney is going to be a runaway winner as a number of posters on this Forum declare (EstesBob, and Abbysinia as just two examples, e.g.) what difference does it make if a Catholic votes for Obama at this point? He’s sure to lose. Probably going to be trampled by the Republicans.

I understand the exhortations to vote GOP when Obama was ahead, but now that he’s a goner, I fail to see the requirement to kick him when he’s down. It ought to be enough that his term is over for good come January, no? 🤷

Any comments?
 
Tampa_Dave said:
Why? Subsidiarity issues? I’m not sure to what you’re referring to. I’m not that up to date on liberal Catholic objections to Paul Ryan (as a matter of my own ignorance). :confused:
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Distorting Subsidiarity to fit concepts of US Conservative policy is so tiresome.

The government has a place to to aid in the contribution to it’s citizenry- especially in matters where it is the most effective vehicle of intervention.

Ryan stance on the “border fence”, DREAM act, his advocacy of drastic cuts to government aid to the poor, do not fit with Catholic social doctrine.

His economic and social policies are more shaped by his narrow reading of the Constitution and founding documents than by Catholic Social Teaching.

He displays the same old Protestant Work Ethic so lauded by the far Right.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Seriously:

If Romney is going to be a runaway winner as a number of posters on this Forum declare (EstesBob, and Abbysinia as just two examples, e.g.) what difference does it make if a Catholic votes for Obama at this point? He’s sure to lose. Probably going to be trampled by the Republicans.

I understand the exhortations to vote GOP when Obama was ahead, but now that he’s a goner, I fail to see the requirement to kick him when he’s down. It ought to be enough that his term is over for good come January, no? 🤷

Any comments?
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Let me give you an anecdote:

In 1968, the Ohio State Buckeyes, en route to a national championship, defeated their bitter rival, the Michigan Wolverines, 50-14. Late in the game, Ohio State held a commanding 44-14 advantage and scored one final touchdown. Rather than taking the more common extra point kick, Ohio State head coach Woody Hayes opted for a two-point conversion, which was unsuccessful. When asked later why he went for two points, Hayes said, “Because I couldn’t go for three!”

That’s why, Rich! Its Woody Hayes time! 👍
 
ringil said:
Distorting Subsidiarity to fit concepts of US Conservative policy is so tiresome.

The government has a place to to aid in the contribution to it’s citizenry- especially in matters where it is the most effective vehicle of intervention.

Ryan stance on the “border fence”, DREAM act, his advocacy of drastic cuts to government aid to the poor, do not fit with Catholic social doctrine.

His economic and social policies are more shaped by his narrow reading of the Constitution and founding documents than by Catholic Social Teaching.

He displays the same old Protestant Work Ethic so lauded by the far Right.
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I do not like the DREAM Act as proposed. I like a strong border. Government aid programs can certainly be streamlined, scrutinized for fraud, waste and abuse (like the DOD budget). In comparative terms, I believe the ‘Obama Catholics’ are much more anti-Catholic than Paul Ryan. By scads!
 
ringil said:
Distorting Subsidiarity to fit concepts of US Conservative policy is so tiresome.

The government has a place to to aid in the contribution to it’s citizenry- especially in matters where it is the most effective vehicle of intervention.

Ryan stance on the “border fence”, DREAM act, his advocacy of drastic cuts to government aid to the poor, do not fit with Catholic social doctrine.

His economic and social policies are more shaped by his narrow reading of the Constitution and founding documents than by Catholic Social Teaching.

He displays the same old Protestant Work Ethic so lauded by the far Right.
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The Church does not say that the Federal Government should be the sole giver of “charity”

The Church does recognize the right of a nation to protect it’s borders.

Much of what you say is up for debate and is left to the prudental judgement of the eleectorate.

Ryan is not distoring church teaching.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
I do not like the DREAM Act as proposed. I like a strong border. Government aid programs can certainly be streamlined, scrutinized for fraud, waste and abuse (like the DOD budget). In comparative terms, I believe the ‘Obama Catholics’ are much more anti-Catholic than Paul Ryan. By scads!
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Well, I’m not an “Obama Catholic” but he’s what I’ve got so. . . . .

I like Biden, even with his quirks. He’s the most “human” out of the four of them. I know- let the insults come!

Yes, he is wrong on abortion, but I believe he is a good man who does practice his faith.

Like many, I do have real problems with Pelosi.
 
ringil said:
Well, I’m not an “Obama Catholic” but he’s what I’ve got so. . . . .

I like Biden, even with his quirks. He’s the most “human” out of the four of them. I know- let the insults come!

Yes, he is wrong on abortion, but I believe he is a good man who does practice his faith.

Like many, I do have real problems with Pelosi.
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How can Biden be a good man yet support unrestricted access to abortion?

Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?
 
ComputerGeek25 said:
How can Biden be a good man yet support unrestricted access to abortion?

Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?
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How can we determine good or bad without judging? Even if his views are erroneous, we cannot see the intent of the man’s heart. What does the Church teach in that instance? Something, something, invincible ignorance. We shouldn’t place personal judgments on people, even if we disagree with their views.
 
ringil said:
Well, I’m not an “Obama Catholic” but he’s what I’ve got so. . . . .

I like Biden, even with his quirks. He’s the most “human” out of the four of them. I know- let the insults come!

Yes, he is wrong on abortion, but I believe he is a good man who does practice his faith.

Like many, I do have real problems with Pelosi.
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Biden is a vicious and vulgar man. Google Clarence Thomas hearings. Listen to what he said to Charles Woods, father of slain Seal Tyrone Woods.
Charles Woods, the father of former Navy Seal Tyrone Woods who was killed in the terrorist attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, said when his son’s body came home, Vice President Joe Biden asked him, “Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?”
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ComputerGeek25 said:
The Church does not say that the Federal Government should be the sole giver of “charity”

The Church does recognize the right of a nation to protect it’s borders.

Much of what you say is up for debate and is left to the prudental judgement of the eleectorate.

Ryan is not distoring church teaching.
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Ryan ran his plan through his bishop. All but two US Bishops approve of it.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
How can we determine good or bad without judging? Even if his views are erroneous, we cannot see the intent of the man’s heart. What does the Church teach in that instance? Something, something, invincible ignorance. We shouldn’t place personal judgments on people, even if we disagree with their views.
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:rolleyes:

I find it hard to believe that Biden, Sebelieus and Pelosi are ignorant that abortion is an intrinsic evil.

Sebelius was advised by her Bishop not to recieve and Pelosi had an audience with the Pope. As to my knowledge, neither have retracted their positons.

Naive much?
 
Romney Touts Support From CEOs on Jobs Council
Mitt Romney’s White House bid comes down to business experience – i.e. he has it, the president doesn’t.
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To that end, the Romney campaign trotted out a roster of well-known business leaders Thursday who are backing the Republican presidential nominee. Supporters include Charles Schwab, Cisco Chief Executive John Chambers and Bernie Marcus, the co-founder of Home Depot. The newest name on the list belongs to Intel CEO Paul Otellini, a member of President Barack Obama’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.
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Romney to campaign in Pennsylvania on Sunday

Ryan going to PA on saturday

Survey USA poll: freakout time for dems
 
qui_est_ce said:
Ryan ran his plan through his bishop. All but two US Bishops approve of it.
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There is much more to the story.

One Bishop had an issue with two line items:
  1. 8% increase in Food Stamps vs. a 12% increase. We need to control spending
  2. $1000 voucher for children of illega immegrants. This could be made moot by immagration reform.
Lastly, this was a private correspondence.
 
ComputerGeek25 said:
:rolleyes:

I find it hard to believe that Biden, Sebelieus and Pelosi are ignorant that abortion is an intrinsic evil.

Sebelius was advised by her Bishop not to recieve and Pelosi had an audience with the Pope. As to my knowledge, neither have retracted their positons.

Naive much?
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Where did you receive power, or ability, to see the intent in another person’s heart? Can we just rip the invincible ignorance teaching out of the Catechism now and refer all people to you for judgment?
 
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