Obama and Romney Hit Final Stretch Part 3

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**For me it is simple math. **

Obama won by about 7.5% in 2008. And, that was against a very weak candidate (McCain), and Obama won in time when the outgoing incumbent was being nearly historically maligned.
It was unlikely that any Republican could win in 2008 since the nation had so much Bush hatred. And yet, even against that backdrop, and even though Obama was young and fresh and really completely unknown, he still only won by 7.5%. Today, everyone knows Obama, he no longer has the “fresh” and “unknown” traits to help him, he will win or lose this time based on how people perceive his job performance.
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Now, let’s consider:**

– People who voted for McCain in 2008 will vote for Romney. Obama will not get those votes, so Romney starts with a high vote base (45.60%).

– 54% of the electorate in 2008 were Protestants and most of them voted for McCain (by 54% to 46%). More Protestants will vote this time, and they are very motivated this time—and it seems likely that they will vote in even higher percentages for Romney. So, just looking at the Protestant vote, we can easily see a shift of 3-5,000,000 votes to the Romney column (more Protestant voters, and higher percentages voting for Romney equals a significant vote swing).

– Catholics helped elect Obama in 2008 by giving him 54% of the Catholic vote–that will not happen, we will see around 45-46% (far less than the 54% he received last time). This shift can easily equate to a 3,000,000 vote swing to Romney. We must recall that George W. Bush won the Catholic vote in 2004 by 5% and this time around things are far different, for Catholics, than they were then.

– Historically undecided voters rarely break for the incumbent (if they were happy with the incumbent, they would not be undecided), which means Romney will get a heavy percentage of the undecided voters.

– The economy is a mess and people will remember that when they enter the voting booth.

– Obama cannot break the 50% on the major polls…a very bad sign for his campaign.

– Republicans are energized–Democrats are not.

Romney by 6-10%.
 
Those Nov. 6th polls always tend to be eerily accurate. Fraud, perhaps? Because I mean, c’mon, you can’t have such a low margin or error.
The last few elections for this office have caught my attention. What happened to change every election to be so close? Media ratings?
 
I know that he is winning for certain and that is going to be a great blessing.

VICTORY TO OBAMA!! GOD BLESS AMERICA WITH ANOTHER TERM FOR OBAMA!!
You have no skin in the game,since you don’t reside in the USA,your opinion is worthless.
 
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In the last few days, I don’t think there is much to be done to influence the vote on Tuesday…heck, millions, including me, have already voted.
My Romney vote in Virginia will likely be as futile as my McCain vote. I can’t shake the feeling that Obama will win re-election. Perhaps I’ll send him my Form DD-214 (Honorable Discharge) as an inauguration gift. I want nothing to do with Obama’s America.
 
I know that he is winning for certain and that is going to be a great blessing.

VICTORY TO OBAMA!! GOD BLESS AMERICA WITH ANOTHER TERM FOR OBAMA!!
I’ll tell ya what. When Obama is out of a job, he can be President of India:)
 
Ignore the PA poll I posted earlier, somebody emailed Susquehanna poll I sent
Jeryl Bier forwarded us the following email from Jim Lee of Susquehanna:
This poll is three weeks old, Jeryl. Not sure why this poll is still being circulated as “new”. Tomorrow the Pittsburgh tribune review will release a new poll they commmissioned us to do “post hurricane sandy”. It shows a tighter race. Jim
twitchy.com/2012/11/02/new-poll-shows-romney-up-by-4-in-pennsylvania
 
NBC’s Ohio Poll: 45% of Likely Voters Conservative, 23% Liberal–And Obama’s Up 6%
By Terence P. Jeffrey
November 3, 2012

(CNSNews.com) - An NBC-Wall Street Journal-Marist poll of likely Ohio voters published on Nov. 3 shows that 45 percent say they are conservative, 23 percent say they are liberal and Barack Obama is leading Mitt Romney by 6 points, 51 percent to 45 percent.

The poll said that in calculating that Obama is up 51 percent to 45 percent in Ohio it included what it called “leaners.” “Leaners,” the polls says, “are defined as voters who are undecided yet leaning toward a candidate.”

The NBC-WSJ-Marist poll of 971 likely voters, which had a margin of error of +/-3.1 points, also listed 3 percent of likely Ohio voters as “undecided” (and apparently not “leaning”) and 1 percent as intending to vote for someone other than Obama or Romney for president.

The likely voter pool in this survey included 38 percent who said they were Democrats, 29 percent who said they were Republicans, 32 percent who said they were Independents and 1 percent who said they had another affiliation.

Five percent of these likely voters described themselves as “very liberal” and 18 percent described themselves as “liberal” for a total of 23 percent liberal. Eleven percent described themselves as “very conservative” and 34 percent as “conservative” for a total of 45 percent conservative.

Thus, in this NBC-WSJ-Marist poll of likely Ohio voters, self-described conservatives outnumbered self-described Democrats by 7 points but self-described Obama voters out-numbered conservatives by 6 points. According to this poll, Obama is outpolling the Democratic Party by 13 points.



I wonder if the “leaners” are so enthused they will actually show up on election day. The Democrat (38%) vs Republican (29%) sample seems slightly Democrat-heavy, but I’m not that familiar with party make-up in Ohio these days.
Abyssinia posted links to to pro-Romney polls:

New poll shows Romney up by 4 in Pennsylvania
Miami Herald FL Poll: Romney 51%-Obama 45%


Yet today we have this from the Wall Street Journal:

The NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist College survey of likely voters put Obama ahead of Romney in Ohio, 51 percent to 45 percent, and in Florida, 49 percent to 47 percent.

I’m losing faith in polling (faulty sampling, methodology, bias). I want Romney to win, but I refuse to live in despair or elation based on disparate polling results. Personally, I believe Ohio is out of Romney’s grasp by the narrowest of margins. I also believe Hurricane Sandy stalled Romney’s momentum due to Obama’s perceived handling of the crisis. Finally, I believe liberal media bias is giving Obama a decisive advantage among the American electorate. Is the election over? No. Can Romney surprise us with a Reaganesque finish on Tuesday? Yes. Nonetheless, I am bracing for the real possibility that Obama will retain the Oval Office. 😦 :mad:
Marist Ohio poll is democrat plus 9. Democrats had plus 5 in Ohio in 2008 when democrat enthusiasm was huge. Marist poll assumes democrats will have nearly double the turn out advantage they had in 2008. Republicans had a plus 4 advantage in 2004
 
Marsist Ohio poll is democrat plus 9. It was democrat plus 5 in Ohio 2008 when democrat enthusiasm was huge. Marsist poll assumes democrat will have nearly double the turn out advantafe they had in 2008. Republicans had a plus 4 advantage in 2004
Thanks for the update.
 
Marist Ohio poll is democrat plus 9. Democrats had plus 5 in Ohio in 2008 when democrat enthusiasm was huge. Marist poll assumes democrats will have nearly double the turn out advantage they had in 2008. Republicans had a plus 4 advantage in 2004
Exactly. Gallup apparently is (going to) use 2008 numbers.

Look at crowd sizes.🙂
 
Oh Marist, You Scamp: Obama Wins 36 of 37 Battleground Polls
When you think of the expense of polling (national polls run ~$50k, state polls a bit less) NBC and WSJ should have to file the cost of these polls with the Federal Elections Commission. I’m genuinely flummoxed. I can’t decide whether to mock these polls or bury them. I’m feeling generous since I have a home today but really if Romney wins on Tuesday Marist should no longer remain a polling organization. These aren’t independent snap-shots of states, they are press releases on behalf of a preferred candidate.
It bears repeating what I wrote on early voting in my last
Marist undressing
:
Early voting is creating a unique problem for polling organizations this year in that the results will skew in favor of the party with the higher early turnout, in this case the Democrats. This built in early voting bias to polls greatly diminishing the polls actual value since you know up front one party’s partisans are over-sampled. Since Democrats tend to vote early, you see the Democrat candidate typically leading by wide margins in early voting according to many polls. When it comes to polling results, all voters who said they already voted make it through the likely voter screen and end up in the final results. This means a sizable pro-Democrat segment of those polled are guaranteed to make it through the likely voter screen. This inherently over-samples Democrats which practically guarantees a favorable result for Democrats. This is how a poll consistently shows Democrat turnout levels at or greater than the best in a generation turnout Democrats enjoyed in 2008 despite mountains of evidence saying otherwise. Of course, Marist has magnificently achieved these outrageous party IDs well before early voting which just goes to prove the old axiom: foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of feeble minds.
Obama leads by 6. The party ID a D+9 (snicker). This compares to D +8 in 2008 (Dem 39, Rep 31, Ind 30) and R +5 in 2004 (Dem 35, Rep 40, Ind 25). There is no chance the Democrat turnout advantage will exceed Obama’s 2008 best in a generation turnout which we write as D +8 based on the CNN party ID generally used. This is even though the actual 2008 party ID was really only D +5 making this D +9 that much more ludicrous. Here is the key graph on early voters: “In Ohio, 35 percent say they have already voted or plan to do so, and Obama is leading them, 62 percent to 36 percent. Yet Romney is up among Election Day voters in the Buckeye State, 52 percent to 42 percent.” If your survey disproportionately samples a voting bloc who favors one candidate by 26-points that candidate is likely going to win that poll. MSDNC claims they re-ran the poll with the party ID split between 2008 and 2004 elections and that resulted in an Obama 3-point lead. Well, by all means release the details for how Democrats, Republicans and Independents voted. I’ll re-run the poll myself and post my model on the blog so you can see what I did and I GUARANTEE Obama will not have a 3-point lead. If anyone found how the parties voted let me know because I didn’t see it.
Addendum: Meant to include this. Reason # 10,000 to love Jake Tapper. His critics (and he has them) are way off-base with this guy:
Mark Murray@mmurraypolitics 3 Nov 12
NBC/WSJ/Marist polls: FL: Obama 49%, Romney 47%; OH: Obama 51%, Romney 45%
@jaketapper
@mmurraypolitics So your poll has the president doing better in Ohio this year than he did in 2008. coughs
Obama leads by 2. The party ID is D +2. In 2008 it was D +3 (Dem 37, Rep 34, Ind 29). In 2004 it was R+4 (Dem 37, Rep 41, Ind 23). Here is the key graph on early voting: “In the Sunshine State, 63 percent say they have already voted or plan to do so before Election Day, and Obama is winning them, 53 percent to 46 percent. But Romney is ahead among Election Day voters in Florida, 52 percent to 40 percent.” The closer early vote preference ends up with a closer party ID difference. It’s still skewed towards Obama’s 2008 turnout which IS NOT HAPPENING but it at least looks close at D +2. Republicans had a net-gain in voter registration of a quarter-million, Obama’s coalition (youth and Hispanics) is both unenthusiastic and no longer as supportive, and the early voting advantage has been severely mitigated. Romney will win this state by at least 5-points. The only question is whether he can drag Connie Mack across the finish line with him.
 
Poltiical scientist on chance for Romney to win Pennsylvania

politico.com/arena/perm/Lara_Brown__63A17D35-5E9D-46BD-8476-2B46DF60D505.html

Romney 51%, Obama 45%

Poll Watch: Mason-Dixon Florida 2012 Presidential Survey

Ohio: Romney draws 30000, Obama draws 2800
Added: On Twitter, Jason Hart just alerted me to another interesting nugget. The population where Obama visited, Franklin County, is three times larger than where Romney appeared, Butler County
Obamas’s Cleveland rally attendance 20x lower than 2008

Less people than attended McCai nrally at same venue in 2008. Something not connecting with the enthusiasm/campaign rally sizes between the Romney and Obama campaigns and the polls in Ohio

Romney’s Pennsylvania Push For Real
Barone thinks Romney can win Pennsylvania. And Jay Cost crunches the numbers, showing Romney’s effort to be more than a will-o-the-wisp:
Broad context: PA outside of Philly County has been trending red for 20 years. It has so far been checked by Dem turnout in Philly County, but Philly County’s population has been flat. So turnout increases in the county are from turnout machines/enthusiasm alone. At some point, that could breakdown.
So assume:
(a) Total PA turnout is up 3% over 2008. Philly County comprises 11.5% of total PA electorate (similar to 2004, less than 2008).
(b) Romney wins non-Philly county 54-46. (Slightly better than Bush ’04, who won 52.5 to 47.5)
Obama MUST net 433k votes out of Philly County to win. In 2008 he netted 478k votes. In 2004 Kerry netted 410k votes. In 2000 Gore netted 350k votes.
Tweak the assumptions to lower Philly turnout, increase non-Philly turnout, increase Romney share of non-Philly. And Keystone State goes red.
Former Hillary aide backs Romney
 
Political scientist on chance for Romney to win Pennsylvania

politico.com/arena/perm/Lara_Brown__63A17D35-5E9D-46BD-8476-2B46DF60D505.html

Romney 51%, Obama 45%

Poll Watch: Mason-Dixon Florida 2012 Presidential Survey

Ohio: Romney draws 30000, Obama draws 2800
Added: On Twitter, Jason Hart just alerted me to another interesting nugget. The population where Obama visited, Franklin County, is three times larger than where Romney appeared, Butler County
Obama’s Cleveland rally attendance 20x lower than 2008

Less people attended than McCain rally at same venue in 2008. Something not connecting with the enthusiasm/campaign rally sizes between the Romney and Obama campaigns and the polls in Ohio

Romney’s Pennsylvania Push For Real
Barone thinks Romney can win Pennsylvania. And Jay Cost crunches the numbers, showing Romney’s effort to be more than a will-o-the-wisp:
Broad context: PA outside of Philly County has been trending red for 20 years. It has so far been checked by Dem turnout in Philly County, but Philly County’s population has been flat. So turnout increases in the county are from turnout machines/enthusiasm alone. At some point, that could breakdown.
So assume:
(a) Total PA turnout is up 3% over 2008. Philly County comprises 11.5% of total PA electorate (similar to 2004, less than 2008).
(b) Romney wins non-Philly county 54-46. (Slightly better than Bush ’04, who won 52.5 to 47.5)
Obama MUST net 433k votes out of Philly County to win. In 2008 he netted 478k votes. In 2004 Kerry netted 410k votes. In 2000 Gore netted 350k votes.
Tweak the assumptions to lower Philly turnout, increase non-Philly turnout, increase Romney share of non-Philly. And Keystone State goes red.
Former Hillary aide backs Romney
 
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