meltzerboy
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OK, have it your way. This particular issue is not worth an apoplectic attack.
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Tampa_Dave
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Fine. I appreciate reasonable discourse with arguments fully supported by evidence. But not unsubstantiated statements implying misconduct by the Republican Party. I consider the matter over. I am sure we will discuss other issues in the future. This particular claim stuck in my craw and, regrettably, I felt obliged to defend the Governor. Case closed. I apologize if you took my arguments personally. I wish you the very best for the remaining part of the weekend, meltzerboy.
meltzerboy
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No, Tampa Dave, I didn’t take your arguments personally (I’ve been around long enough in life and on this Forum to have a rather thick skin), and I understand both the rational and emotional aspects of your position. I just don’t care to argue my point further, that’s all. I’m sure we’ll engage on other issues.
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oldcelt
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Just found out that Florida reduced early voting days to 8 this year from the 14 available in 2008.
Who can guess which party controls the Florida Legislature?
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Who can guess which party controls the Florida Legislature?
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Tampa_Dave
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You would think I could keep the respective Governors’ names straight, eh?
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Tampa_Dave
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It really no different than congressional redistricting, right? The Golden Rule is in play: He who has the gold rules!
Both sides use legislative majorities for advantage whenever they are in power. The next Democratic legislature will extend hours. And so on.
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*AFF poll: Minnesota a toss-up
By ALEXANDER BURNS |
11/3/12 7:33 PM EDT
Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are separated by just 1 point in Minnesota, effectively making the race there a toss-up, according to polling taken for the conservative American Future Fund. Romney takes 46 percent of the vote to Obama’s 45 percent in the poll, which was conducted by the GOP firm NMB Research and shared with POLITICO. The Republican presidential nominee is up 13 points among independents, ahead of Obama 49 percent to 36 percent. They survey breaks with recent public data, which has shown Obama maintaining a single-digit edge over Romney, but gives Republicans reason to hope for an upset. Democrats aren’t taking the state for granted at this point, with Obama countering pro-Romney ads (including AFF advertising) and deploying Bill Clinton to campaign there. **In a polling memo, pollster Glen Bolger attributes the closeness of the race to Minnesota’s overwhelmingly white population. "Minnesota is very much a battleground state due the low minority population of the state and President Obama’s problems with white voters. *Romney has a good chance to pull off one of the biggest upsets of the election cycle in this state," Bolger writes. The poll tested 500 likely voters on Oct. 30 and 31 with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.38 percentage points.
Funny, these same white people carried Minnesota for Obama in 2008. Now the kind people of Minnesota are racist voters who switched their allegiance to the white Republican.
By ALEXANDER BURNS |
11/3/12 7:33 PM EDT
Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are separated by just 1 point in Minnesota, effectively making the race there a toss-up, according to polling taken for the conservative American Future Fund. Romney takes 46 percent of the vote to Obama’s 45 percent in the poll, which was conducted by the GOP firm NMB Research and shared with POLITICO. The Republican presidential nominee is up 13 points among independents, ahead of Obama 49 percent to 36 percent. They survey breaks with recent public data, which has shown Obama maintaining a single-digit edge over Romney, but gives Republicans reason to hope for an upset. Democrats aren’t taking the state for granted at this point, with Obama countering pro-Romney ads (including AFF advertising) and deploying Bill Clinton to campaign there. **In a polling memo, pollster Glen Bolger attributes the closeness of the race to Minnesota’s overwhelmingly white population. "Minnesota is very much a battleground state due the low minority population of the state and President Obama’s problems with white voters. *Romney has a good chance to pull off one of the biggest upsets of the election cycle in this state," Bolger writes. The poll tested 500 likely voters on Oct. 30 and 31 with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.38 percentage points.
Funny, these same white people carried Minnesota for Obama in 2008. Now the kind people of Minnesota are racist voters who switched their allegiance to the white Republican.
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He_Man
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Gallup’s poll will be meaningless. It uses a seven day rolling avewrage. To take a week off between days renders it useless. And to suddenly switch to a single day estimate renders the comparison to the previous poll useless, since the paradigm has now changed for the poll.
Gallup should have never stopped the poll. If you want an accurate look into how people are feeling, you do it in good times and bad. You don’t not poll during a crisis, since that doesn’t give you an accurate reflection of how people felt last week (which drives the rolling average).
I say this as a Romney supporter - even if Gallup has a huge lead for Romney tomorrow, I am not giving it much weight.
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He_Man
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Actually, she should be able to tell the elections where they were serious, and just posturing.
1992 and 2012 were serious attempts, based on internals. The rest were attempts to draw attention to the state for the dems. That all came out after the fact.
Maddow is not nearly as smart as she thinks she is.
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He_Man
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You know for a fact what he said, in totality. It has been discussed on here before. If you want to be coy and pretend that’s exactly what he said, then you aren’t worthy of discussion. Usually you are more honest than this - come on.
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He_Man
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Your boy changed his part of the deal at the last minute. Kind of like the Democrats did to Bush 1 with the taxes for cuts pledge.
If you want bipartisanship, you need an honest President.
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He_Man
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While I agree much of Ohio mirrors Penn in terms of electorate, your perception of enthusiasm is an accurate as people comparing yard signs as barometers. I know it makes the person feel better, but if it were reliable, pollsters could save themselves a lot of money.
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He_Man
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You mean they want to try and win states they have a shot in, so as to bolster themselves in the election, especially in the event they lose another state?
Yeah, I think that’s been every candidate’s strategy since like 1804.
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He_Man
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You do realize if he wins election, they are likely going to look into impeaching him once he has to answer questions? I’d be willing to bet my paycheck on that. Not that I want that, per se. I want justice, but impeachments generally are a drag on the whole country.
Brown’s point is clear, again, to everyone else apparently. How is Obama can be so prepared and quick to react in Sandy, but somehow in the aftermath of an attack allowed for by his own unpreparedness, he’s got no time to do anything, other than lie at a funeral?
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oldcelt
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You know what? You are absolutely right. I just found a site with the full interview.
I let my partisanship get the best of me.
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He_Man
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The you make a note to plan better next time, and learn your lesson.
My goodness, we have become a country of babies. We have early voting, extended hours, and absentee ballots.
And we have to sit and listen to people cry about presenting IDs and running out of time? Come on; suck it up folks. Let’s have people take responsibility for themselves and figure out a way to vote.
Since I am not as old as some of you, was our country always such a whiny bunch of people, or is that a new thing? How on earth did we ever survive without early voting? Barbaric.
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He_Man
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Nah, it’s cool. I’m angsty tonight myself, so I need to chill anyway. CHeers.
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oldcelt
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Cheers
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He_Man
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I swear, if these samples are off, every pollster should fire their staff and start over, and be forced to explain this garbage. Democratic registrations are down in Ohio since 2008, and the percentage of dems went up? Such garbage.
Of course, if the numbers are correct, they can remain employed, and I’ll likely pretend I never posted this.
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He_Man
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So what though? That’s the beauty of federalism. Each state can guess decide how to govern itself.
Both sides jerrymander, both sides fillibuster, both sides mess with voting laws.
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