I wanted to add, you do have some people who state support for Obama, based on what the Pope has written, and as it is stated in the USCCB voter’s guide. There is a confusion, and shouldn’t that confusion be cleared up?
Well put - this is exactly how I see it as well.
And gay adoption is NOT intrinsically evil. In order for something to be intrinsically evil, it must be evil in EVERY circumstance. I am sure we could come up with plenty of scenarios where gay adoption is the only moral alternative and therefore the right thing to do.
Name one that isn’t.
Frankly, I don’t see a real objection to gay adoption. If the children will be raised in a loving home, and the adoptive parents are good people, it can only be a win-win situation. Just because the adopting couple is gay does not mean that they are adopting the children for sexual purposes.
Surely that is a large part of it; economic reasons can reduce the reach and effectiveness of an institution. Aside from that, alignment with one party is a dangerous thing. Even the temples attended by very liberal Jews do not tend to support, singularly,candidates or parties. Rather, like Catholics, thoughtful Jews and Jewish bodies mostly support positions (support for Israel, human rights issues, etc.) Like Catholics are supposed to, Jews prioritize, in accordance with their moral and ethical priorities, both personally and as a community.
Glad to see you posting again, Elizabeth! I’ve missed your very thoughtful remarks on the Forum.
Even ‘selective listening’ seems to be a human flaw that could be corrected through precise instructions. There were millions of Catholics that voted for Obama, according to the pollsters. Even a percentage of such a large number would justify being corrected if it were just being mistaken, assuming that surely not all were selective listening. Remember the teaching about one lost sheep and the ninety nine that were not lost?
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Apparently you are less aware than I am (or for that matter, than the clergy is) of the enormous percentage of poorly catechized Catholics, not to mention those identifying as Catholic who also identify as non-practicing. Together it is definitely millions.
All or nothing, dualistic thinking is exactly the opposite of what Jesus taught. We are all broken, we are all wounded and we are all (democrats and republicans) within the unitive mystery that is the Christ. Perfection is always the ability to include imperfection. Until and unless we can see that both candidates have both dark and light we are not voting from an enlightened perspective. Any attempt to demonize one candidate or the other is ITSELF demonic and diabolical.Some Catholics are willing to forsake the Magisterium and the Holy See for social justice (and all that phrase encompasses). I don’t understand the rationale myself. We are dutibound to observe the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church without reservation. We, as Catholics, cannot be selective with dogma. Given the relative positions of Romney and Obama on Catholic issues, I simply cannot fathom why a faithful Catholic can opt for Obama. The HHS mandate, abortion, contraception, gay marriage, failure to defend DOMA, issue upon issue Obama falls drastically short from the Catholic perspective. But that’s just me. Like anyone else, I have an opinion. Reject it as you like.
I have never had a Trappist ale I didn’t think was really good. Now, yes some appeal to me more than others, but every type of every beer brewed is of good quality.It could be a good choice to try something none of us have had. On the other hand, none of us may like it.
If Obama wins, the “social justice” people are going to get a rude awakening and fast. Dioceses will start firing pretty quickly to protect the parishes from financial harm. I’m sure they’ve got this all planned out because they’re going to have to work fairly quickly.Some Catholics are willing to forsake the Magisterium and the Holy See for social justice (and all that phrase encompasses). I don’t understand the rationale myself. We are dutibound to observe the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church without reservation. We, as Catholics, cannot be selective with dogma. Given the relative positions of Romney and Obama on Catholic issues, I simply cannot fathom why a faithful Catholic can opt for Obama. The HHS mandate, abortion, contraception, gay marriage, failure to defend DOMA, issue upon issue Obama falls drastically short from the Catholic perspective. But that’s just me. Like anyone else, I have an opinion. Reject it as you like.
Beer reviewers come up ith all kinds of weird descriptors. I don’t where they get some of this stuff from.
There is a BIG difference between judging an individual and judging an action the individual might perform. Acts CAN be evil and many acts ARE evil. There is nothing at all wrong with saying that. The Church itself proclaims that some acts are evil acts.
Dave, it’s NOT just your opinion. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:Some Catholics are willing to forsake the Magisterium and the Holy See for social justice (and all that phrase encompasses). I don’t understand the rationale myself. We are dutibound to observe the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church without reservation. We, as Catholics, cannot be selective with dogma. Given the relative positions of Romney and Obama on Catholic issues, I simply cannot fathom why a faithful Catholic can opt for Obama. The HHS mandate, abortion, contraception, gay marriage, failure to defend DOMA, issue upon issue Obama falls drastically short from the Catholic perspective. But that’s just me. Like anyone else, I have an opinion. Reject it as you like.
You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes. *Then also state the evil actions of Romney who would add $2 T to the US Terrorism budget. Let’s stop assuming that either candidate is of himself intrinsically evil or intrinsically good or better. This is sinful thinking - sin is the very act of accusing. Someone needs to post the pro’s and and con’s of each candidate on EVERY issue. Then this will become a meaningful discussion…until then it’s just an instrument of division. That itself is the sin.
What can you expect from someone with no business experience? Obama was elected on a slogan, nothing more. He never ran a business. He never served as a mayor or governor. He was an inconsequential state senator before his incredibly brief (and unexceptional) term as a U.S. Senator. Community organizer and part-time professor hardly qualifies one for the presidency.