Obama and Romney Hit Final Stretch Part 3

[He_Man]

Frankly, I don’t see a real objection to gay adoption. If the children will be raised in a loving home, and the adoptive parents are good people, it can only be a win-win situation. Just because the adopting couple is gay does not mean that they are adopting the children for sexual purposes.

Sorry - off topic. There are other threads to discuss gay adoption.

Define loving.

Define good.

Once you do, the Church will then drop a bomb all over this idea.

 

[iloveangels]

I strongly agree. The whole notion of intentionally–I would even call it strategically–making voting more difficult, to diminish the number of Democratic voters and, in particular, African-Americans as well as the elderly, all in the name of voter fraud, is offensive to say the least.

Whine, whine, whine.

How about all the voter fraud? How about all the intimidation at the polls? Heck, how about all the hinky **** that’s going on with the media. Give me a break.

 

[iloveangels]

Define loving.

Define good.

Once you do, the Church will then drop a bomb all over this idea.

Yeah, been there, done that. We already know how that turned out.
lifesitenews.com/news/illinois-catholic-charities-forced-out-of-adoptions-over-homosexual-rights
catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=41680

The Church says NO, Rich Olszewski. What part of NO don’t you understand?

 

[iloveangels]

If Obama loses, I expect massive legal challenges throughout multiple states. Remember the bald guy in Florida counting the hanging chads? He will be coming out of retirement. For some reason, I expect focused legal challenges from Romney if he loses, versus the shotgun approach I anticipate with an Obama loss. Obviously I have no substantive proof to support my theory. Just an intuitive guess based on my perception of the Obama campaign leadership. Axelrod, Plouffe and Jarrett will never go out with a whimper.

Yeah, well Dave, you’re a lawyer. Can you get all this done before January 1, 2013?

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Define loving.

Define good.

Same definitions as would be used to describe a good and loving heterosexual couple.

 

[iloveangels]

Same definitions as would be used to describe a good and loving heterosexual couple.

Have you EVER read the Catechism of the Catholic Church? Do you even own one?

ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?sufs=0&q=homosexual&xsubmit=Search&s=SS

The first thing they need to teach in CATECHESIS is READING COMPREHENSION.

 

[He_Man]

As that chart clearly shows neither candidate is better than the other - they are each objectionable and reasonable on a variety of issues. They are both a mixture of dark and light, as are we ALL. Romney wants to add $2T to the defense budget in a time of budget deficits and when the military is not asking for additional funding - this is nothing more than a move to enable the US power elite to indiscriminately murder our “enemy” via drones and other sophisticated weapons to ensure US domination of the worlds resources.

This does nothing to serve the poor or protect lives and it creates jobs solely in the interest of the power elite.

You don’t even quote accurate facts on what Romney is proposing - you are repeating almost verbatim what the Democrats have been saying about his defense budget.

Then you equate a financial issue with murder. That’s crazy talk. And since we are Catholic, our guidance here is pretty clear. Why bother to state any differently on a catholic website? You don’t see me telling the folks over at ECCAnswers how wrong they are, do you?

And you want us to take you seriously as an unbiased “voice in the wilderness?”

Please, stop.

 

[He_Man]

As an outside observer of this conversation, I agree that abortion is deadly serious and for that reason I did not and never would vote for Obama (well, that, but also his incompetence, lack of respect for religious liberty, amongst other things).

That being said, what do we do about our counter terrorism efforts? Oftentimes I question if they only serve to harm our civil rights, kill lots of innocent bystanders, and generally do nothing to actually stop terrorism.

What are you talking about? You WILL NEVER hear about successes in Intelligence and Counter-terrorsim, because to do so would be counter-productive to future missions. Here’s how you tell that the money is being spent well - you don’t get blown up very often. That’s why Intelligence is a thankless job. The only time those folks make the news is if they screw up.

Did you hear about all the suucessful CIA missions last year? No me neither. Wonder why?

 

[He_Man]

Yeah, been there, done that. We already know how that turned out.
lifesitenews.com/news/illinois-catholic-charities-forced-out-of-adoptions-over-homosexual-rights
catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=41680

The Church says NO, Rich Olszewski. What part of NO don’t you understand?

It’s the Meliocentric Universe Theory. The center of the universe is me.

Why do we even bother to discuss these things as Catholics. The Church has spoken. Our opinions are irrelevant, and not for discussion.

Spend time talking about things that matter as far as our opinion goes - early voting hours, tax rates, etc. Not gay adoption.

 

[iloveangels]

It’s the Meliocentric Universe Theory. The center of the universe is me.

Why do we even bother to discuss these things as Catholics. The Church has spoken. Our opinions are irrelevant, and not for discussion.

Spend time talking about things that matter as far as our opinion goes - early voting hours, tax rates, etc. Not gay adoption.

The reason it’s interesting is because people think that if the HHS mandate stands, that nothing will happen. I assure you, that won’t be the case. We’ve been through this with gay abortion once already and you see how it turned out. NO means NO.

It’s very important that the HHS mandate is rescinded. It takes effect in January 2013. Voting Obama out is the only way to get this done now.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Have you EVER read the Catechism of the Catholic Church? Do you even own one?

I own three, one with big print. Why do you ask? .

 

[epan]

And the usual Florida fiasco reported in the news. People waiting upwards of six hours in line to vote. 180 cars towed in one location, because the wait exceeded the allowed time to park. I do not understand why they can’t get it right. This, or something similar, happens with every election. One would think that they would want everyone to be able to vote, and that they would not want to always be the state which causes people to question the legitimacy of the election results.

 

[iloveangels]

I own three, one with big print. Why do you ask? .

Well, if I were you, I’d read em once in a while, rather than keeping them as trophies.

They have very clearly written sections on both homosexual behavior and abortion.

ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?sufs=0&q=abortion&xsubmit=Search&s=SS

 

[iloveangels]

And the usual Florida fiasco reported in the news. People waiting upwards of six hours in line to vote. 180 cars towed in one location, because the wait exceeded the allowed time to park. I do not understand why they can’t get it right. This, or something similar, happens with every election. One would think that they would want everyone to be able to vote, and that they would not want to always be the state which causes people to question the legitimacy of the election results.

It’s Florida.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Well, if I were you, I’d read em once in a while, rather than keeping them as trophies.

They have very clearly written sections on both homosexual behavior and abortion.

Well, I’ll be…

 

[iloveangels]

Well, I’ll be…

Informed? That would be good, yes.

 

[_Abyssinia]

breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2012/11/05/Why-the-Polls-are-Wrong-Poll-Shows-Electorate-is-R-6

According to Twitter’s invaluable NumbersMuncher, Rasmussen correctly predicted 2008 would be a D+7 election and incorrectly predicted 2010 would be D+3. (2010 was D+0, or even, so Rasmussen gave an edge to Democrats they didn’t have.)

If the 2012 race is D+2, Romney’s probably going to win. If the race is R+6, Romney’s going to enjoy a landslide.

October Rasmussen Party ID survey track record, 2004-2010. #rsrh
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A69TnkDCEAEjSpY.jpg

If Rasmussen is Correct (and he has been in the last two Presidential elections)

Then we’re looking at the Scott Walker recall night all over again.

Rasmussen Reports’s Party Affiliation for October is R +5.8. Below is Rasmussen’s month-end party ID for each October in Presidential years. We compared that with the exit polling party ID provided by the Winston Group:

Year Rasmussen Actual
2004 D +1.5 (Dem 38.7, Rep 37.2) D +0 (Dem 38, Rep 38)
2008 D +7.1 (Dem 40.3, Rep 33.3) D +7 (Dem 40, Rep 33)
2012 R +5.8 (Dem 33.3, Rep 39.1) ???

In the two prior Presidential election years Rasmussen essentially called the party identification and accurately captured the ground swell in favor of Democrats in 2008. Not coincidentally Rasmussen called the 2004 election within 1% and hit the bullseye in the 2008 election. I don’t know exactly the why behind Rasmussen’s methodology but his affiliation has been consistently R +whatever but he’s been running his polls at D +whatever. I’m assuming D +2 so if we get R +2 (I refuse to even consider R +6) then it is blowout city.

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Has Mitt Romney already won Ohio?

Ramussen has Romney leading with independents 17 points, Monmouth 16 points, ARG 12 points, cnn 22 points, pew 3 points, washington post 3 points, nbc / wsj 7 points,

twitter.com/Redistrict/status/264474045515444224

Virginia early vote: Up to 70.5% of '08 total statewide, but 75.8% in McCain counties, just 67.6% in Obama counties

Trib poll shows presidential race in Pennsylvania remains too close to call

Mitt Romney has 5-point lead in Florida, Times-Union/InsiderAdvantage poll says

RNC: In Key Swing States, More Republicans than Democrats Haven’t Voted Yet

In Colorado there are over 26,000 (34%) more high-propensity Republican voters available than high-propensity Democrat voters. In Florida there are 166,000 (21%) more; 85,000 (47%) more in Iowa; and 16,000 (22%) more in Nevada.

And in Ohio, Republicans have 368,000 more high-propensity voters available than Democrats–72 percent more, in fact–and enough to off-set the Obama campaign’s most optimistic (and unrealistic) early vote math.

The State of the Race, with 48 Hours to Go

Middle Cheese checks in, having talked to some of the Big Cheeses over at the Romney campaign:

Here’s where Team Romney’s take on the state of the race with 48 hours to go:

FL — Obama has a 60 percent drop off in early/absentee voting from 2008.

VA — Obama has a 20 percent drop off early/absentee votes in counties they won in 2008.

OH — Obama under-performing in coal counties of OH. Romney leading by double-digits over Obama in 21 of the last 24 polls among independents.

IA — Obama needed a 130k early/absentee vote lead; he has 90k right now.

CO — Romney has 50k early/absentee vote lead; Obama needed to have a lead in early/absentee voting.

NV — Obama needed 80k early/absentee vote lead coming out of Clark County; he has 71k. Romney needs strong turnout in rest of state.

PA — 96 percent of vote is on Election Day. Polls show rapidly tightening race. 30k showed up for Romney rally in Bucks County last night.

WI — early/absentee vote is very encouraging (sorry, no numbers).

NH — 90 percent of vote on Election Day. WMUR poll shows 47-47 tied–9 point swing from last poll.

Overall, Team Romney is extremely confident for several reasons: 1) a 5-7 point advantage on voter intensity, 2) a double digit lead among independents, 3) in D+9 polls, Obama can’t break 50 percent, 4) GOP matching or exceeding Obama in voter contacts (440,000 made in OH over the weekend).

 

[epan]

breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2012/11/05/Why-the-Polls-are-Wrong-Poll-Shows-Electorate-is-R-6

If Rasmussen is Correct (and he has been in the last two Presidential elections)

Has Mitt Romney already won Ohio?

Ramussen has Romney leading with independents 17 points, Monmouth 16 points, ARG 12 points, cnn 22 points, pew 3 points, washington post 3 points, nbc / wsj 7 points,

twitter.com/Redistrict/status/264474045515444224

Trib poll shows presidential race in Pennsylvania remains too close to call

Mitt Romney has 5-point lead in Florida, Times-Union/InsiderAdvantage poll says

RNC: In Key Swing States, More Republicans than Democrats Haven’t Voted Yet

The State of the Race, with 48 Hours to Go

I understand why someone running a campaign would want to know poll numbers in order to strategize.

As a voter, doesn’t it make more sense to just wait and see how the election turns out?

 

[iloveangels]

breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2012/11/05/Why-the-Polls-are-Wrong-Poll-Shows-Electorate-is-R-6

If Rasmussen is Correct (and he has been in the last two Presidential elections)

Has Mitt Romney already won Ohio?

Ramussen has Romney leading with independents 17 points, Monmouth 16 points, ARG 12 points, cnn 22 points, pew 3 points, washington post 3 points, nbc / wsj 7 points,

twitter.com/Redistrict/status/264474045515444224

As of 10/28/2012, Gallup had D+0 showing in their polling. It may have shifted a bit to maybe D+1 or D+2 by now, but still it’s not D+ greater than 2.

Trib poll shows presidential race in Pennsylvania remains too close to call

Mitt Romney has 5-point lead in Florida, Times-Union/InsiderAdvantage poll says

RNC: In Key Swing States, More Republicans than Democrats Haven’t Voted Yet

The State of the Race, with 48 Hours to Go

 

[iloveangels]

breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2012/11/05/Why-the-Polls-are-Wrong-Poll-Shows-Electorate-is-R-6

If Rasmussen is Correct (and he has been in the last two Presidential elections)

Has Mitt Romney already won Ohio?

Ramussen has Romney leading with independents 17 points, Monmouth 16 points, ARG 12 points, cnn 22 points, pew 3 points, washington post 3 points, nbc / wsj 7 points,

twitter.com/Redistrict/status/264474045515444224

Trib poll shows presidential race in Pennsylvania remains too close to call

Mitt Romney has 5-point lead in Florida, Times-Union/InsiderAdvantage poll says

RNC: In Key Swing States, More Republicans than Democrats Haven’t Voted Yet

The State of the Race, with 48 Hours to Go

As of 10/28/2012, Gallup had D+0 showing in their polling. Party ID was flat and that’s the premier measure of party ID balloting. It may have shifted a bit to maybe D+1 or D+2 by now, but still it’s not D+ greater than 2. It’s all about turnout now, and the Republicans are fired up to get Obama out of office.