Obama and Romney Hit Final Stretch Part 3

[oldcelt]

Did anyone expect otherwise?

These tactics are already coming back to haunt them in the form of highly motivated Democratic voters. I don’t expect any results for Florida or Ohio until Wednesday at the earliest because of the length of lines and Federal law that states that any one in line by one minute before the announced poll closing Must be allowed to vote.

Scott and his Republican cohorts are going to wish that they’d left early voting alone and Husted ( Ohio S of Stare) nay be facing some more serious issues if his “experimental” software causes any problems.

John.

 

[epan]

Every voting precinct of which I am aware always has a number of inside poll workers, an equal number selected by each party. Some of them might be Tea Partiers. If they’re Tea Party Repubs, they are allowed to be there. If they’re “occupy” people who are Dems, they’re allowed to be there.

These foreign people are just like electioneering people who tout their candidate outside the polling place. They can’t come within some distance of the polls. Tea Party people who are not poll workers would have to stand just as far away. So would the candidates themselves.

And there really isn’t a reason to accuse Tea Party people of having an animus toward black voters, particularly because some Tea Partiers are black. Are you, then, saying black voters are more likely to be fraudulent? An awful thing to say, if that’s your meaning.

The most blatant manipulation of voting rights appears to be in FL for the past 12 years. That much we know. I am curious as to why the governor there has shortened the polling hours compared to previous years, when he knows about the problems of not enough polling places, and the hours long waits. It seems reasonable to let everyone vote, and to make it as easy as possible to do so. I am suspicious that the state will go to Obama in order to make way for Jeb Bush in 2016. If Romney takes FL and OH, then Bush’s earliest chance could easily not come around until 2020, at which time he would be dealing with the fallout of the Romney years, and the country would be looking for a Democrat. That might push his chances out to 2024 or 2028. If the Bush family has any influence in the Florida Election Commission, they have good reason to try to throw the election to Obama.

 

[epan]

Are you saying that Mr Romney will win 489 electoral votes? Here are the states expected to be solidly Obama. And, it appears that he has taken NV. So, Obama has 203 electoral votes just for opening the polling booths. A landslide like President Reagan’s is unlikely. Reagan had charm and charisma. Carter was not popular with anyone. People did not yet fully understand the social justice issues with the conservative agenda. Reagan came in stealthily, in that sense. I doubt that anyone will be able to do that again.

WA 12
OR 7
CA 55
NM 5
MN 10
IL 20
ME 4
VT 3
NY 29
MA 11
CT 7
NJ 14
DE 4
RI 3
DC 3
MD 10
TTL 197

Oh, I forgot Hawaii. Mia Culpa

So, Obama is probably assured 207 electoral votes right away, and needs to pick up 72. Romney appears to have 191 votes, so needs to pick up 88. Quite a close race. Ohio is critical to both candidates.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Oh, I forgot Hawaii. Mia Culpa

So, Obama is probably assured 207 electoral votes right away, and needs to pick up 72. Romney appears to have 191 votes, so needs to pick up 88. Quite a close race. Ohio is critical to both candidates.

Romney will carry the states McCain carried and NC and IN. Romney is ahead in NC, VI and FL, forgive me if it is wrong but I believe that brings Romney to 255. Romney needs 15 more. OH 18, WI 10, IA 6, MN 10, PA, 20. Romney needs to win PA or OH, MN and WI, IA and WI or IA and MN

I posted it to make a point that the national polls for Reagan and Carter said they were close but on election day they were not. National polls say Romney and Obama are close

 

[_Abyssinia]

guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/04/florida-republicans-vote-democrats

Florida Republicans impinging on right to vote, say Democrats

State’s Democrats file lawsuit to keep polling places open as voter anger grows
Florida Democrats have accused the swing state’s Republican leadership of impinging on the fundamental rights of Americans amid growing voter anger at lengthy queues to vote, the shutting down of early voting and chaos in Miami over absentee ballots.

The state’s Democratic party filed a lawsuit on Sunday to keep polling places open until election day as the Republicans stood accused of attempting to disenfranchise its opponents with new limits on early voting that contributed to waits of more than seven hours to cast ballots in Democratic strongholds such as Miami.

Tea Party Activists are sending poll watchers in democratic only precincts in Ohio.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/24/texas-attorney-general-arrest-election-monitors?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038
**Texas attorney general threatens to arrest monitors observing US election. **State attorney general calls international group’s plan to watch for fairness at the polls ‘legally irrelevant in the United States’

The Texas attorney general, Greg Abbott, has threatened to arrest international election monitors invited by liberal groups to observe the conduct of next month’s presidential vote in states accused of attempting to disenfranchise minorities.

Despite Allowing Tea Party activists within the polling places to challenge Black voters.

What about the NAACP advocating for Obama outside a polling station in Houston?

Voting machines in OH, KS, NV, NC, MS AND CO switching votes from Romney to Obama and have not heard any case of a machine switching a vote from Obama to Romney

 

[epan]

Romney will carry the states McCain carried and NC and IN. Romney is ahead in NC, VI and FLA, forgive me if I am wrong but I believe that brings Romney to 255. Romney needs 15 more. OH 18, WI 10, IA 6, MN 10, PA, 20. Romney needs to win PA or OH, MN and WI, IA and WI or IA and MN

I posted it to make a point that the national polls for Reagan and Carter said they were close but on election day they were not. National polls say Romney and Obama are close

I was not counting the states where the spread is smaller than the statistical error, as you are. If you count those, then Obama is over 270, leading Romney by 15 when the polls open. I was only including the ones that seem certain.

 

[rlg94086]

I was not counting the states where the spread is smaller than the statistical error, as you are. If you count those, then Obama is over 270, leading Romney by 15 when the polls open. I was only including the ones that seem certain.

So much for the just waiting until the results come, epan…

 

[_Abyssinia]

I was not counting the states where the spread is smaller than the statistical error, as you are. If you count those, then Obama is over 270, leading Romney by 15 when the polls open. I was only including the ones that seem certain.

What states are you giving to Obama to get him over 270?

 

[oldcelt]

What about the NAACP advocating for Obama outside a polling station in Houston?

Voting machines in OH, KS, NV, NC, MS AND CO switching votes from Romney to Obama and have not heard any case of a machine switching a vote from Obama to Romney

I don’t know about Texas, but you are permitted to electioneer in Pennsylvania so long as you maintain a certain distance…100 feet I believe.

John

 

[_Abyssinia]

I don’t know about Texas, but you are permitted to electioneer in Pennsylvania so long as you maintain a certain distance…100 feet I believe.

John

50% of military bases do not have a voting assistance office. Military absentee ballots have declined 70%. Some military have not recieved absentee ballots. This is disfranchisement

 

[oldcelt]

50% of military bases do not have a voting assistance office. Military absentee ballots have declined 70%. Some military have not recieved absentee ballots. This is disfranchisement

If so, it is wrong and should be remedied today.

John

 

[epan]

If so, it is wrong and should be remedied today.

John

Anecdotally, and this is purely from people I have spoken with (all of them military), many are just choosing not to vote because both candidates seem equally bad. Having Ryan on the ticket, with his monster budget has many federal employees not voting, because they don’t want Obama, and they won’t vote for anyone who says that we can’t afford basic government services.

There may be some big surprises in VA, DC and MD when the vote comes in, as well as the number of military votes which are mostly republican.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Anecdotally, and this is purely from people I have spoken with (all of them military), many are just choosing not to vote because both candidates seem equally bad. Having Ryan on the ticket, with his monster budget has many federal employees not voting, because they don’t want Obama, and they won’t vote for anyone who says that we can’t afford basic government services.

There may be some big surprises in VA, DC and MD when the vote comes in, as well as the number of military votes which are mostly republican.

Non-affordability of SOME government services is just a question of fact, and ideology doesn’t change it one way or the other. After years of seeing the predictions of Medicare’s and SS’s bankruptcy not too far down the road, and knowing that the SS “trust fund” is just IOUs from the taxpayers like all other debts, it does not seem to me that there can be much question that some entitlements are unaffordable. If the chief actuary for Medicare is right, Medicare will before long be so impoverished by Obamacare that it will pay less than Medicaid.

And, of course, the CBO has estimated that Obamacare will reduce the GDP by 1.5%. It’s not much above that now, and Obamacare might cause a “double dip” all by itself.

And even with the money taken from Medicare, Obamacare still isn’t fully funded, and Obama’s “tax the people with $200,00+ incomes” won’t fix it either.

So, the facts are not looking very good unless some kind of change is made. Ryan’s plan for SS and Medicare, of course, provides for lower benefits based on income. In other words, rich people will have to pay more and expect the public to pay less. Why that is offensive to liberals is something I have difficulty comprehending.

 

[tskrobacz]

You don’t even quote accurate facts on what Romney is proposing - you are repeating almost verbatim what the Democrats have been saying about his defense budget.

Then you equate a financial issue with murder. That’s crazy talk. And since we are Catholic, our guidance here is pretty clear. Why bother to state any differently on a catholic website? You don’t see me telling the folks over at ECCAnswers how wrong they are, do you?

And you want us to take you seriously as an unbiased “voice in the wilderness?”

Please, stop.

What you don’t understand is it doesn’t matter what Obama or Romney “says” in the campaign. Their actions as our president are ultimately controlled by the power elite (the Federal Reserve - yes, even our president is a puppet to the money source). Crazy talk is anyone on this forum that actually thinks it is a “sin” to vote for one candidate or another based on the rhetoric of the campaign. Your guidance means nothing when the power elite are the ones that will ultimately decide where money is spent, regardless of who sits in the oval office.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Anecdotally, and this is purely from people I have spoken with (all of them military), many are just choosing not to vote because both candidates seem equally bad. Having Ryan on the ticket, with his monster budget has many federal employees not voting, because they don’t want Obama, and they won’t vote for anyone who says that we can’t afford basic government services.

There may be some big surprises in VA, DC and MD when the vote comes in, as well as the number of military votes which are mostly republican.

If that were true it is not an excuse for 50% of military bases not having a voting office. Romney bests Obama 2 - 1 in military times poll

 

[iloveangels]

If that were true it is not an excuse for 50% of military bases not having a voting office. Romney bests Obama 2 - 1 in military times poll

That’s why they’re trying to disenfranchise people in the military.

 

[epan]

What states are you giving to Obama to get him over 270?

Simon Jackman at Stanford puts Obama at 277 and Romney at 191, with 70 unknown, today. His model puts 230 strong Obama, 47 leaning Obama, 191 strong Romney, 0 leaning Romney, and 70 toss ups.

His tossups are CO, NH, VA, NC, FL.

CNN puts Obama at 237, but you need to add in NV which they call a tossup still so, CNN would put Obama at 243, and Romney at 206, with 89 tossup.

 

[epan]

That’s why they’re trying to disenfranchise people in the military.

Remember that federal medical and retirement benefits are linked, loosely or closely. When Medicare payments were cut under obamacare, military dependent and retirement medical benefits were cut simultaneously by the same amount. The Congress acted quickly to restore military benefits, but the lesson was not lost on military families who briefly lost benefits. So, when Romney declared that we can’t afford medical care for seniors, and that Medicare should be a voucher system, military personnel with dependent a, and potential retirees heard that message loud and clear. He may not have realized it, but he announced that he favors putting military retirees on a voucher system for medical care. At lest that is what was heard.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Simon Jackman at Stanford puts Obama at 277 and Romney at 191, with 70 unknown, today. His model puts 230 strong Obama, 47 leaning Obama, 191 strong Romney, 0 leaning Romney, and 70 toss ups.

His tossups are CO, NH, VA, NC, FL.

CNN puts Obama at 237, but you need to add in NV which they call a tossup still so, CNN would put Obama at 243, and Romney at 206, with 89 tossup.

191 is ridiculous, even real clear politics with their groups of polls of which many oversample democrats has Romney higher than Obama in electoral votes

Polls I have seen, VA, NC, FL and likely CO are not tossups, safe Romney

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

191 is ridiculous, even real clear politics with their groups of polls of which many oversample democrats has Romney higher than Obama in electoral votes

Polls I have seen, VA, NC, FL and CO are not tossups, safe Romney

Yup:thumbsup: