Obama Announces New Climate Plan

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I love God, I love His Church, so I try very hard to have patience with this man (Obama) - - I just can’t listen to the guy anymore. It’s like nails on a chalkboard. I pray for his conversion. I also pray for the people who voted for him not once, but TWICE! Especially you people who call yourselves catholic. The guy is pro-abortion. Enough said. And of course right before this last election, he came our for same-sex marriage. He is a liar. An antichrist. I am so sick of the guy, that I tend to discount everything he says as a lie. Whether it’s on climate change, Syria, the economy…I just tune him right out.
 
Neither of those were hurricanes. one is tropical depression. the other a tropical storm.
I concede to you the entire point about hurricanes

The chaotic nature of weather makes it impossible to prove that any single event such as Hurricane Katrina ( or sandy) is due to global warming. It is also impossible to prove that global warming did not play a part, so debates about the causes of individual events are futile.

newscientist.com/article/dn11661-climate-myths-hurricane-katrina-was-caused-by-global-warming.html
 
I love God, I love His Church, so I try very hard to have patience with this man (Obama) - - I just can’t listen to the guy anymore. It’s like nails on a chalkboard. I pray for his conversion. I also pray for the people who voted for him not once, but TWICE! Especially you people who call yourselves catholic. The guy is pro-abortion. Enough said. And of course right before this last election, he came our for same-sex marriage. He is a liar. An antichrist. I am so sick of the guy, that I tend to discount everything he says as a lie. Whether it’s on climate change, Syria, the economy…I just tune him right out.
I can understang that, Catholic, but this should not be a political issue, not even a climate issue. It is a stewardship issue.
 
Did you read the article you posted?

Natural climate cycles govern ocean cooling. Yet when this cycle reverses and the Pacific waters begin to warm again, the increase in global temperature will resume quickly. In fact, we could see some major changes to our world’s temperatures. Currently, researchers aren’t sure exactly how long this cooling phase will last and predicting Pacific conditions more than a year in advance is impossible.

“That speaks to the challenge in predicting climate for the next few years,” said Shang-Ping Xie, one of the researchers, in a news release. “We don’t know precisely when we’re going to come out of [the hiatus] but we know that over the timescale of several decades, climate will continue to warm as we pump more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.”

The findings reveal exactly how important it is to take into account various environmental impacts when it comes to predicting temperature. In addition, it shows exactly how the current hiatus has come about and has enormous implications for future warming conditions.

Hurricane Sandy was not bad enough The deadliest and most destructive hurricane of the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season, as well as the second-costliest hurricane in United States history.
Yes, I am aware that doing a quick Google will mostly yield environmentalist-oriented articles, and that they will excuse anything that doesn’t fit their narrative. I just didn’t want to waste a lot of time searching for a better article.

So, since they admitted the Pacific is cooling, not warming, I simply ignored their lame explanation that it will surely warm soon.

Oh, and relating to hurricanes, did you know that NOAA has reduced its hurricane predictions for this season, which were already rather low.

Eventually people do admit to the reality that MMGW is bunk, despite the multi-billion dollar hype money that’s being spent by Soros, Gates and others who have heavily invested in “alternative energies” and in Obama’s political funds to ensure that this administration will oppress the poor and the elderly by making their utility bills “skyrocket”.

What do they have in it now? $200 billion was the last number I saw.
 
Searching Google for balanced global warming articles is about as successful as searching Google for sites favorable to Catholicism.
 
Yes, I am aware that doing a quick Google will mostly yield environmentalist-oriented articles, and that they will excuse anything that doesn’t fit their narrative. I just didn’t want to waste a lot of time searching for a better article.

So, since they admitted the Pacific is cooling, not warming, I simply ignored their lame explanation that it will surely warm soon.
Don’t you see that is what you just did?

You yourself “ignored” the consensus that did not fit your “narrative”.
 
And wasting time and energy on a hoax has nothing to do with stewardship.
I am glad to see you do not want to waste time, Bob.
Do you then agree that we need to shift away from fossil fuels for better stewardship?
The sooner the better?
 
I am glad to see you do not want to waste time, Bob.
Do you then agree that we need to shift away from fossil fuels for better stewardship?
The sooner the better?
No I dont-I think expanding our production of fossil fuels will end our dependency on brutal dictators for our fuel. We should expand offshore drilling and fracking of old fileds. More oil production will stimulate the economy and provide jobs. oil is not evil and it can be recovered with minimal impact on the enviroment
 
I can understang that, Catholic, but this should not be a political issue, not even a climate issue. It is a stewardship issue.
Well, let’s think about that for a moment.

Obama has promised to make utility bills “skyrocket”. To that end, he has ordered the EPA to shut down coal facilities and has done everything he can do to impede utilization of fossil fuels of all kinds, and nuclear as well. He has caused the government to spend about $100 billion subsidizing and promoting “alternative energies”, not one of which has proven itself to be anything other than inordinately expensive or adequate to the needs of the populace.

But why should he care? After all, he’s rich and will be massively richer when, after his term, he goes on the speaking and book writing circuits. The super rich can afford energy almost no matter what it costs. So it’s nothing to them. None of the big promoters of MMGW live as if they believe in it at all. None of them do, including Obama who not only required dozens of vehicles in his Africa jaunt, but required 24/7 overhead fighter jet protection the whole time. A poor person in North Dakota could probably heat her home for a year for what Obama wasted in five seconds.

But how many of the poor can afford to have their utility bills “skyrocket”? How many coal mining families in West Virginia are going to be out of work? Even Democrat Senator Joe Manchin has been hollering about that, saying Obama “betrayed” his constituents. (Maybe they can eat the coal, then, huh?)

How many struggling people have to drive to work every day, and can barely afford fuel now? How many people wonder why their food bills have gone up so much recently? (Hint: diesel fuel to grow and transport it now costs $4.00/gallon)

But the billionaires will profit from all of this energy-suppression Obama is doing and attempting, and they flood information resources with their propaganda because they have billions riding on it. Never mind that they don’t believe in it themselves and don’t care that their enrichment will make the lives of others miserable.

It’s not only a “stewardship issue” it’s an issue of human compassion. And when the whole MMGW argument is hotly contested (no pun intended) as it is among scientists, and when the MMGW proponents ignore clear signs of cooling, one ought to at least pause in one’s fervor to make poor people do without heat in the winter and cooling in the summer for the sake of an ideology that’s absolutely not proven.
 
Don’t you see that is what you just did?

You yourself “ignored” the consensus that did not fit your “narrative”.
I ignore assertions that have no foundation, of which the excuses in the article had none. And there’s no “consensus” either. Not among scientists and no longer among the populace.

It’s an ideology that’s fading with all but the robber baron investors in “alternative energies” and the politicians they have bought. But they have, indeed, invested a lot in it, and aren’t going to give it up easily.
 
Searching Google for balanced global warming articles is about as successful as searching Google for sites favorable to Catholicism.
It can be done, but it takes awhile to find out, e.g.,
-What the majority of meteorologists think. (They’re not believers in MMGW disaster)
-What the majority of scientists think (Neither are they)

But I will readily admit that the radical environmental groups definitely have the edge when it comes to web articles. But then, they also have more money.
 
But how many of the poor can afford to have their utility bills “skyrocket”? How many coal mining families in West Virginia are going to be out of work? Even Democrat Senator Joe Manchin has been hollering about that, saying Obama “betrayed” his constituents. (Maybe they can eat the coal, then, huh?)

How many struggling people have to drive to work every day, and can barely afford fuel now? How many people wonder why their food bills have gone up so much recently? (Hint: diesel fuel to grow and transport it now costs $4.00/gallon)
This is what we must change. We, the entire world, has become dependent on fossil fuels. Oil companies love it. But it is toxic. We depend on it for our transportation, jobs, heating and cooling. Out energy strategy has always enslaved us to oil, coal, and natural gas. It is killing us and our planet.

Look at the air and look at the water.
If you live in a big city it is worse.
Is there a natural waterway near you that you would drink from?
Is this what we want to pass on to future generations?
 
This is what we must change. We, the entire world, has become dependent on fossil fuels. Oil companies love it. But it is toxic. We depend on it for our transportation, jobs, heating and cooling. Out energy strategy has always enslaved us to oil, coal, and natural gas. It is killing us and our planet.

Look at the air and look at the water.
If you live in a big city it is worse.
Is there a natural waterway near you that you would drink from?
Is this what we want to pass on to future generations?
Air and water quality in this country is better than it was 50 years ago
 
Air and water quality in this country is better than it was 50 years ago
I should hope so after 30 years of the Clean Water Act and The Clean Air Act.

But 50 years ago rivers were catching on fire and there were very few restriction.
Pollution was indeed worse. Can you drink from or even swim in your nearest waterway?
 
This is what we must change. We, the entire world, has become dependent on fossil fuels. Oil companies love it. But it is toxic. We depend on it for our transportation, jobs, heating and cooling. Out energy strategy has always enslaved us to oil, coal, and natural gas. It is killing us and our planet.

Look at the air and look at the water.
If you live in a big city it is worse.
Is there a natural waterway near you that you would drink from?
Is this what we want to pass on to future generations?
As a friend of mine who is in the “alternative energy” business said “There is no way you can generate energy in any form cheaper than you can pump it out of the ground.” He devised a way to make diesel out of a byproduct of the corn ethanol process. But he admits that it’s only because ethanol is heavily subsidized that he can make money on the oily byproduct.

120 years ago, fully 1/3 of American agricultural production went to the feeding of horses; the main transportation “engine” of the time. In addition, manure, urine and dead horses made the cities cesspools of disease. The country was in trouble with all that, and people predicted disaster…until the internal combustion engine was developed and made the whole disaster scenario moot.

I don’t particularly doubt that human ingenuity will prove itself equal to the task of replacing fossil fuels whenever it’s most advantageous for people to do that, though “running out of fossil fuels” keeps getting pushed further and further into the future.

In the meantime, fossil fuels are the cheapest way for mankind to heat homes, cool homes, refrigerate foods, transport products and, indeed, add strength to the human arm through the employment of machinery.

Attempting to stop or reduce the use of fossil fuels while they’re abundant is, to me, akin to shooting half the horses in 1880. That would have reduced their need for fodder, and would undoubtedly have reduced the manure. But it would also have caused widespread starvation and poverty.

I have seen all the graphs and counter-graphs, all the figures and counter-figures, all the “scientists” on this side and on that. Those things have been posted ad nauseam on a number of threads here on CAF, and I don’t care to repeat them, at least not at present.

But regardless, on the one hand we have a theory that’s intriguing but far from proven, and on the other we have the choice of "shooting half the horses’ as it were, and causing widespread suffering and perhaps even death.

When it’s abundantly clear that the biggest promoters of it don’t act at all as if they believe it themselves, when they have billions invested in it, and when I, who spend a great deal of time outdoors in all weather see not the slightest corroborating manifestation of MMGW, to me, the choice is very clear which way we go with this.
 
I should hope so after 30 years of the Clean Water Act and The Clean Air Act.

But 50 years ago rivers were catching on fire and there were very few restriction.
Pollution was indeed worse. Can you drink from or even swim in your nearest waterway?
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: I most assuredly can, and do. And so do my grown children and grandchildren, about twice weekly in warm weather, and all without the slightest ill effect. (Well, we do have to shoot a water moccasin now and then, but no one has been bitten yet.)
 
Leaving it with you all now. Got things to do. Be of good cheer!
 
Leaving it with you all now. Got things to do. Be of good cheer!
Amen, brother.

I am glad you can enjoy the water and I envy you.

You might find this of interest:
cfpub.epa.gov/surf/locate/index.cfm

and support your watershed efforts to have it stay that way.

I recall some saying I heard somewhere: You cannot make something clean without making something else dirty.

I just wonder if we really do have the human ingenuity as well as will to replace fossil fuels, to make and have what we want without contaminating the earth.

I was outside today sweeping up cigarette butts. Some peole do not care what they put in their lungs much less what they put in the air or on the ground.

There was a time when the tobacco industry denied any health risks from smoking. Many people became addicted. But now we all know the dangers (as well as costs) and still some people start smoking.

Daily air quaity reports:
airnow.gov/

As you can see, I get a little zealous about air and water, great and beautiful gifts from God.
Sorry if I come across too strongly.
 
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