Obama Announces New Climate Plan

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it isn’t just that.

You might be surprised how often industries lead regulators. I was once in a highly regulated industry myself, and wrote two pretty significant regulations that they adopted.
Perfect point. Do you know how many regulations OSHA writes on an annual basis? Second question, do you know how many regulations OSHA has written?

Answer is the same for both, ZERO. OSHA does not write regulations, all of the regs come from industry and are enforced by OSHA. for my industry, IEEE, ASTM, and many other organizations write regulation; most are labor unions, like IEEE & IBEW (two I am familiar with in the electric utility biz.)
 
Oh come on DGB, do you expect people to listen to Fox News??? They are radical right wingers only with big business in their heart and pocket book!!!:rolleyes::cool:
LOL (my kids taught me that).

DGB
 
Its too bad that Obama doesn’t care as much about people and jobs as he does about the climate. His Climate Plan is the same as Obamacare: A power grab and an attack on industry.
 
Its too bad that Obama doesn’t care as much about people and jobs as he does about the climate. His Climate Plan is the same as Obamacare: A power grab and an attack on industry.
I think it goes further, much further than that. I take him at his word when he said he would “transform” this nation.
 
Not at all.

The whole idea behind any such gov policy (I much prefer Fee&Dividend to Cap&Trade) is to inspire people to turn off lights not in use and the many other things they can do to reduce their GHGs by 20%, 30%, 50%, 60%+.

In the end people will be pleasantly surprised that even with higher fossil fuel prices (which will be going up even without gov fees) that they are saving bundles of money.

They will then graciously thank the gov for inspiring them to go on the track of becoming more energy/resource efficient/conservative and getting on alt energy when feasible.

And I will thank God for graciously answering my prayers. 🙂
God has answered your prayers . He sent 13 years of no warming to reveal the hoax being perpetuated on this people.
 
“under the auspices of the Heartland Institute”

“DenialGate Highlights Heartland’s Selective NIPCC Science”

skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=1295

How about we wait for the actual IPCC report.

Fox’s mind was made up long ago:

scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=global-warming-fox-news-separates-f
And so have left wing radicals ready to hurt real people all in the name of the mythical MMGW. At least Fox News allows differing opinions to be heard. It it were not for this network the only option we would have is the leftists views; this is precisely why Fox is so necessary and also why it is the highest rated TV news on Cable and starting to threaten broadcast news. Why are the liberal rags and news programs faltering? It is because people are fed up with being lied to.
 
How about we wait for the actual IPCC report.

Fox’s mind was made up long ago:
Those two links are old news, one from 2012 and the other 2011. Blah Blah Blah…

Why do you link websites that goes out of their way to demonize any rejection of their god, MMCC? I’ll show you some examples of the attacks on people like me in this article that you post. But as usual when I point out your offensive tactics along with those of your partner here on this thread, you will ignore my comments.

“DenialGate Highlights Heartland’s Selective NIPCC Science
Posted on 18 February 2012 by dana1981
Denial Gate - the leaked internal documents from the climate science denying think tank Heartland Institute - has given us a small glimpse into the operations of the climate denial movement. Funds from a few wealthy individuals and corporations are funneled to these think tanks (and Heartland is just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak; there are dozens of similar anti-climate science think tanks), which in turn use those funds in attempts to delay climate policy and misinform school children. While the end goal of those climate action delay tactics may be in the best short-term economic interests of those wealthy donors, they also bring us one step closer to ensuring that we all will have to face the harmful consequences of climate change, particularly those children who they seek to misinform by ‘teaching the controversy’ in our schools.”

Just in this paragraph you see several of the terms used to demonize others of different views. “denialGate”, a reference to Watergate scandals. The term “anti-climate”, what does that even mean? Also, what about the hypocrisy of these groups, neither side, especially the MMGW zealots cannot call the other side guilty of accepting money from rich donor, Michael Moore, George Soros, Bill Gates, Al Gore, etc., what utter hypocrisy! What about the hypocrisy of calling out corporate money being solicited and used in these groups while in the same breath the leftists are doing the exact same thing. How many corporations are feeding at the troughs of the “global warming” billions in tax payer dollars under this administration and with the participation of these same liberal groups that want to end corporate donations on the other side?

Matt 23:13-39 “Woe to you Hypocrites”

13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”

You lose all credibility with all of these links you are providing; you are losing your argument here by your own work. Can’t you see this?
 
Plants take in CO2 and give us Oxygen. That is why we need them.
A pollutant is alike a weed. The wrong thing in the wrong place in the wrong amount.

What are we living for? Not a what, but Who.
Ah, but they take in oxygen at night and emit CO2
 
And so have left wing radicals ready to hurt real people all in the name of the mythical MMGW. At least Fox News allows differing opinions to be heard. It it were not for this network the only option we would have is the leftists views; this is precisely why Fox is so necessary and also why it is the highest rated TV news on Cable and starting to threaten broadcast news. Why are the liberal rags and news programs faltering? It is because people are fed up with being lied to.
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Even listeners of NPR would agree with you. Read the comments some time.
 
The best thing for the climate would be to stop all the emissions and hot air that spew out of Obama’s big, fat, lying mouth!
 
local.msn.com/warming-lull-haunts-authors-of-key-climate-report#scpshrjwfbs

Here is a link you may find interesting. Hardly Fox News.

See if you can find all the inconsistencies, I’ll be back later to “help” you see them.
Whether he does or doesn’t, the many, many, many contradictory articles on the subject tell you one thing loud and clear: MMGW isn’t a certitude, it’s a dispute.

And for the sake of a disputed theory, (more likely to enrich his super-wealthy supporters and his own coffers) Obama wants to make energy more expensive in America while the rest of the world either isn’t buying it at all or is retreating from it. Everyone knows what this nation does won’t affect MMGW globally. Even Obama admits that, which is why he falls back on that utterly lame rationale that by freezing in the dark we will show a “good example” to the world; one that the world will follow.

But there is no reason at all to believe that fallback rationale, and every reason to disbelieve it. European countries are ditching out on “alternative energies”. Russia is worried about global cooling, not warming. India has rejected IPCC data root and branch, believing it tainted. China builds a coal fired plant every ten days.

Even Obama doesn’t really believe in it. He took dozens of heavily armored vehicles and dozens of ships with him on his Africa toot as well as a number of big passenger jets, and had fighter jets flying overhead day and night the whole time he was there and enroute. A person alarmed about CO2 emissions would never do that.
 
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