Obama Announces New Climate Plan

[lynnvinc]

Is eucalyptus native to SA?

Eucalyptus is from Australia. Koala bears eat the leaves. It’s not a good tree to have on a working farm or yard, since it sucks up all the water. However the oil is a very good balm for body aches and pains and headaches.

It is wrong to run off peasants for some elitist environmental purpose. In Enviornmental Anthropology we call that “fortress conservation.” We always need to put the needs of the people first, esp the poor people. Which is the Catholic position.

However, if there is some land not being used for agriculture, then I’m thinking eucalyptus would be okay as a carbon sink. I love the trees, grew up with them in S. California. To me they are beautiful.

 

[edwest2]

As someone who grew up next to THE “desert boneyard” (formally the Aircraft Maintenance and Regeneration Center - AMARC) at Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson, I have to correct you on this. Most of the aircraft there aren’t stripped - they’re stored. Why? Because Tucson houses the largest - by several times - air force on the planet. In the case of an extended conflict where the standing Air Force takes significant losses, every intact plane at AMARC can be returned to service within a few weeks.

Thank you, very much, for the correction. If I was the enemy in a future conflict, I’d target this place.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Monkey1976]

Thank you, very much, for the correction. If I was the enemy in a future conflict, I’d target this place.

Peace,
Ed

It wasn’t really a secret. As I recall, Tucson was in the top 5 - if not the top 3 - among projected first-strike targets for a Soviet nuclear launch.

Is it odd that I kinda take pride in that?

 

[qui_est_ce]

Eucalyptus is from Australia. Koala bears eat the leaves. It’s not a good tree to have on a working farm or yard, since it sucks up all the water. However the oil is a very good balm for body aches and pains and headaches.

I don’t think Koalas are bears.
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I just wonder if eucalyptus could become invasive, since it is not native. The fact that it is known to suck up water doesn’t sound good to me. We need water for plant life to stop the desertification of our planet. A native tree would probably work best.

 

[edwest2]

For power companies, reprocessing would be - pardon the expression - a massive boom. They can take something that is currently a massive money pit in terms of handling and storage and use it as free fuel. Uranium mining profits would be peanuts in comparison.

I don’t know what the cost for reprocessing is. And if orders began to dry up for my uranium supplier, what is he going to do? I’ve just disrupted the supply chain. I’m not against your idea at all. It just goes back to my EPA analogy: the moment you see a news headline that the EPA is going impose some new restriction ‘to help the planet,’ there are howls from industry that jobs will be lost! Which is not accurate. It should read: “If da EPA is gonna force me ta spend money on dis or dat ta remediate somethin,’ I ain’t gonna lose any money. Heck no. I’ll just let a bunch uh employees go or raise prices for consumers.”

Peace,
Ed

 

[Monkey1976]

I don’t know what the cost for reprocessing is. And if orders began to dry up for my uranium supplier, what is he going to do? I’ve just disrupted the supply chain. I’m not against your idea at all. It just goes back to my EPA analogy: the moment you see a news headline that the EPA is going impose some new restriction ‘to help the planet,’ there are howls from industry that jobs will be lost! Which is not accurate. It should read: “If da EPA is gonna force me ta spend money on dis or dat ta remediate somethin’, I ain’t gonna lose any money. Heck no. I’ll just let a bunch uh employees go or raise prices for consumers.”

Peace,
Ed

For most breeder reactor designs, it’s pretty much just remove the “spent” fuel elements from the old reactor and put them into the breeder reactor - no additional processing or repackaging needed. It really is free money that’s currently sitting in the “waste storage” pools.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Nearly ALL working/publishing climate scientist agree that the climate change we’re going thru is caused by our industrial GHG emissions, some 98% of them.

However, there are scientists in other fields who are not researching or publishing scholarly works in the area of climate change who are of the opinion that is not the case, but they don’t have any studies or works to back up their opinion. The problem is, as Al Gore suggested, it is “an inconvenient truth,” and people are misled by “motivated cognitions,” rather than scientific facts and findings.

Those who don’t support MMGW don’t get research grants and therefore don’t often get published. Nevertheless, there have been published studies seriously challenging MMGW. Some of them have been cited on CAF, but they get ignored.

People aren’t misled by “motivated cognitions”, they’re motivated by frauds like Al Gore, who doesn’t believe in it himself. He does believe in making money on it, though.

 

[lynnvinc]

Those who don’t support MMGW don’t get research grants and therefore don’t often get published. Nevertheless, there have been published studies seriously challenging MMGW. Some of them have been cited on CAF, but they get ignored.

Maybe they should go to grad school and study climate science. That might help open their eyes. And they might even get some grants and have their works published. But first they have to really roll up their sleeves and get to work.

 

[estesbob]

Maybe they should go to grad school and study climate science. That might help open their eyes. And they might even get some grants and have their works published. But first they have to really roll up their sleeves and get to work.

Like Al Gore did. The world’s foremost expert on climate change. I believe he has a divinity degree.

 

[Lochias]

Maybe they should go to grad school and study climate science. That might help open their eyes. And they might even get some grants and have their works published. But first they have to really roll up their sleeves and get to work.

I don’t think this post could have been more condescending if you’d tried.

Global warming as touted by all of the so-called “scientists” who are getting their pockets lined is a sham and a product of fear-mongering, and there are many of us who will never believe it, and never change.

Good luck.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Maybe they should go to grad school and study climate science. That might help open their eyes. And they might even get some grants and have their works published. But first they have to really roll up their sleeves and get to work.

On the other hand, possibly their knowledge of science and compassion for humanity deters them from making life senselessly hard for people who already struggle to pay energy costs. Possibly, too, they have observed that the political promoters of MMGW don’t “walk the walk”, but only “talk the talk”. That speaks volumes.

Oh, yes. I left out the 54-some vehicles that are being shipped over to Africa for all of Obama’s group to ride in. That’s in addition to the round-the-clock jets flying overhead and the ships offshore. Probably that group is going to burn more fuel in a week than everybody below the poverty line in America burns in a year.

They don’t believe in it, folks. They’re only selling it.

 

[gracepoole]

I don’t think this post could have been more condescending if you’d tried.

Global warming as touted by all of the so-called “scientists” who are getting their pockets lined is a sham and a product of fear-mongering, and there are many of us who will never believe it, and never change.

Good luck.

You’ve just stated that you will “never believe it.” So even if undeniable evidence comes to light, you’re sticking to your guns?

 

[JimG]

So, it sounds like the net effect of Obama’s new climate initiative will be:

Electricity rates will skyrocket.
Green energy companies will get a government boondoggle.
Food will get more expensive.
The poor will get poorer.
The middle class will get poorer.
U.S. will declare war on coal and oil.
U.S. will export cheap coal to other nations to use for coal fired power plants.
The global climate will remain the same.

 

[livingwordunity]

Even if “global warming” (name suspiciously changed to “climate change”) is for real how does Obama think that America can change the world’s climate on our own when other countries such as China, the biggest polluter of them all, do whatever they want?

 

[Ridgerunner]

Even if “global warming” (name suspiciously changed to “climate change”) is for real how does Obama think that America can change the world’s climate on our own when other countries such as China, the biggest polluter of them all, do whatever they want?

He doesn’t.

 

[Gavroche]

Actually, I would be in support of this plan even if it hurts the economy or our wallets because I believe it is better for the Earth, which is invaluable.

I find the cartoon you posted to be extremely misleading. When looking at the effects of favored climate policies, that cartoon fails to list desired methods that the Church opposes which are widespread use and availability of artificial contraception in order to stop population growth/reduce population growth, widespread performance and availability of abortions for the same purpose. Do you not understand that those who are on the extreme, who are in large part driving this climate change alarmism have a vision that the world is better off with LESS people, and so abortion and artificial contraception are cornerstones to their efforts because they see human beings as the primary cause of climate change, not SUVs, or meat diets, or factories, they see an increasing population as the primary problem and think that they must take measures to reduce the population.

I believe this is one of the reasons why Obama has been so tenaciously wanting artificial contraception covered in the healthcare bill, at the expense of freedom of religion, so that he can ensure that it is widespread both in availability and use for the purposes of population reduction. The irony of all of this is that the entitlements he favors are dependent on a stable or increasing population to finance them. With the prospect of negative birth rates and a reduced population you will see such programs collapse.

 

[edwest2]

1. Electricity is generated and used just moments later. Scientists are working on ways to store electrical energy.
2. Advances are being made in batteries for fully electric and hybrid vehicles.
3. Advances are being made in the amount of electricity that can be generated by solar cells.
4. On the population control issue, the less people, the lower the demand for electricity, fuel and water, which leaves more for those remaining. I am against artificial birth control.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

For most breeder reactor designs, it’s pretty much just remove the “spent” fuel elements from the old reactor and put them into the breeder reactor - no additional processing or repackaging needed. It really is free money that’s currently sitting in the “waste storage” pools.

Thank you for educating me on this. I still wonder what their reasoning is to not do this.

Ed

 

[ThePuppyTurtle]

How does the left explain there’s been no warming for 16 years and not a single model the so called experts put together in the last decade has come even close to predicting the average global temperature today. Sorry-fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I am not willing to invest one penny into this farce

It doesn’t, because that is not true.

 

[lynnvinc]

I don’t think Koalas are bears.
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I just wonder if eucalyptus could become invasive, since it is not native. The fact that it is known to suck up water doesn’t sound good to me. We need water for plant life to stop the desertification of our planet. A native tree would probably work best.

I think it is invasive, taken over lots of California areas. But that was well before biologists were concerned about invasive species, and as mentioned it is a beautiful tree, gives shade, etc.

My mo-in-law in India had one in her yard, and she would put the leaves in her bath water. Great for colds and body aches. They eventually cut it down to do some more building, but left the stump, and for years (until her death) she could still pick the leaves from the twigs that grew out of the stump.

There is another invasive species I’m thinking that could help draw down carbon – but is it not carried by any vector, so it is just a matter of containing the perimeter. That is the MORINGA TREE. In its case the leaves and fruits can be used as food – which has a very high iron and calcium content, and helps produce much more milk in cows and lactating mothers. Native to India, it is now grown in many places for its food, esp Africa.

We have some in our backyard in S. Texas. It is an extremely soft “wood,” and grows some 30-40 feet high in a few years. If you cut it at the base, it just grows back. We had a killing freeze some years back and it died all the way down, then popped back up again in summer.

Scientists are experimenting with making biofuel from it. But I’m thinking it could also be used to make biochar thru pyrolysis, which could be used as a soil amendment for farmers and gardeners. In that way it would help draw down CO2 & store it in the soil for 100s or 1000s of years.