Obama Announces New Climate Plan

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We **know **burning fossil fuel creates carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide.
We **know **carbon dioxide leads to the greenhouse effect and sulfure dioxide leads to acid rain.

It is simply poor stewardship. This is especially true with deforestation goin on. The one thing that can respire all that CO2 (trees) we are diminishing.

If we can restore more trees and if we can burn fuels cleaner and then dispose of the watse safely we might have a chance.
Breathing creates carbon dioxide…sulfur dioxide can and is removed from emissions by scrubbers and other methods…it is not proven that CO2 cause the “greenhouse gas” effect, this is merely theory not fact…big difference and there are differing theories…what deforestation??? Oh, one of the other myths…there are more trees planted today by lumber companies than were there before.

We are burning fuels cleaner and have been for decades, with new innovations daily. We have more than a chance, however in this economy which our president has exacerbated the opportunities for the less fortunate or growing fewer by the day. Sad how so many jump on this bandwagon to same the entire planet and do not see the pain inflicted on the most vulnerable among us…we are such hypocrites!
 
It is also and more importantly a shame that many Catholics allow and vote for pro-abortion candidates. That should scare you more than those who disagree with MMGW statements by popes. Abortion is intrinsically evil; MMGW is not even scientific fact, much less infallible teaching.

Not in the same ball park…
The pro-life movement’s fruitless seduction by the Republican Party has resulted in cognitive bias to prevent a feeling of guilt about not caring about other issues. The Republican Party is backed by industries whose profit is tied into NOT addressing climate change. These same industries have spent enormous sums of money politicizing the basic science of climatology, with many of the memes generated by the industry’s PR firms and lobbyists reiterated in this thread. This politicization of science has played on the normal (fallen) human tendency toward confirmation bias by providing a pseudoscience narrative to single-issue pro-life voters to justify their voting against protection of the environment.

By painting a picture of government as a nigh-socialist secularist behemoth set on destroying free enterprise and promoting abortion, the single-issue pro-life voter has set aside the need to consider the devastation that issues like climate change can pose to the poor (e.g., the residents of the Irawaddy Delta in South Asia). All without the need to actually consider science. Instead, the narrative rules – government by Democrats is evil and brings on the Antichrist. The single-issue voter tells himself that only by electing pro-life legislators and presidents (who will appoint pro-life judges) will the holocaust of abortion be ended and the world be saved from the secularist nanny state set on establishing forced abortion as the next major way to save the planet from the scourge of population growth. That is, of course, unless the Second Coming comes along to destroy the Abomination of Desolation that is the secularist, environmentalist, feminist, liberal state in which we now live (Obamacare is really the Mark of the Beast, if you believe the internet!).

And it’s not just the environment. The ostensibly pro-life political gang (laughably) quoted Just War Doctrine in 2004 to justify the Iraq War, while insisting that abortion was a “non-negotiable” issue to consider in the election. Pro-life organizations warn about allowing poor women to have more money, because they might be able to afford abortions.

Yet when it comes down to it, most abortions will take place whether or not it’s legal. A greater percentage of pregnancies end in abortion in Latin America, where it’s generally illegal, than in the U.S., where it’s generally legal. Peer-reviewed estimates of abortion rates before Roe v. Wade are imprecise, so that on a per capita basis, the abortion rate from 1965 could be equal to today’s. And today, you can buy the abortifacient Cytotec on the black market, here in the U.S., or anywhere in the world. All of these stand as stark evidence that abortion’s legal status only dictates how it happens, not whether it does.

Unless we as a culture learn to value children as more than just commodities or props to our demographic future, we’ll never eliminate abortion. The rate of pediatric homicide by parents fell significantly after Roe v. Wade. Today, children born to mothers who report that the pregnancies that bore them were unintended receive less financial and emotional support from their parents. That’s a cultural sickness that originated at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, and will continue unless we Catholics take up the tough job of evangelization, which can never be married to partisan politics. It’s that same culture that causes climate change! Commodification of everything, low cost everything, erosion of all ties other than monetary ties.
 
Slide the bar and see how average annual minimum temp has risen from 1990 to 2012 for U.S.

washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/local/planthardinesszones/index.html

“In an analysis of 172 species of plants, birds, butterflies and amphibians, Parmesan found that spring events such as egg-laying or flower-blooming advanced 2.3 days on average each decade. Her analysis of studies of 99 species of birds, butterflies and alpine herbs in North America and Europe found these species’ ranges have shifted northward an average of about 3.8 miles per decade.”

cbsnews.com/2100-205_162-534993.html

How else can one account for insects migrating north and not killed off in the winter?

climate.uu-uno.org/view/article/193597/
 
Thank you, Sam.

I assure you that will spend some time honestly and objectivley reading more, but so far all I see is uncertainty, not the kind if denial you and others are expressing.:
  1. Is Rising CO2 the Cause of Recent Warming? While this is theoretically possible, **I think it is more likely **that the warming is mostly natural. At the very least, we have **no way of determining **what proportion is natural versus human-caused.
Concluding Remarks
The total amount of CO2 humans have added to the atmosphere in the last 100 years has upset the radiative energy budget of the Earth by only 1%. How the climate system responds to that small “poke” is very uncertain. The IPCC says there will be strong warming, with cloud changes making the warming worse. **I claim **there will be weak warming, with cloud changes acting to reduce the influence of that 1% change. The difference between these two outcomes is whether cloud feedbacks are positive (the IPCC view), or negative (the view I and a minority of others have).
Again I will emphasize, some very smart people who consider themselves skeptics will disagree with some of my views stated above, particularly when it involves explanations for what has caused warming, and what has caused atmospheric CO2 to increase.
We are willing to admit, “**we don’t really know”, **…
drroyspencer.com/my-global-warming-skepticism-for-dummies/
 
It is also and more importantly a shame that many Catholics allow and vote for pro-abortion candidates. That should scare you more than those who disagree with MMGW statements by popes. Abortion is intrinsically evil; MMGW is not even scientific fact, much less infallible teaching.

Not in the same ball park…
Popes can spell out general moral principles involved. Their area of expertise tends not to be environmental science though.
 
The hype surrounding a new paper by Roy Spencer and Danny Braswell is impressive (see for instance Fox News); unfortunately the paper itself is not. News releases and blogs on climate denier web sites have publicized the claim from the paper’s news release that “Climate models get energy balance wrong, make too hot forecasts of global warming”. The paper has been published in a journal called Remote sensing which is a fine journal for geographers, but it does not deal with atmospheric and climate science, and it is evident that this paper did not get an adequate peer review. It should not have been published.

realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/07/misdiagnosis-of-surface-temperature-feedback/

speaking of Fox News:

thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/10/257881/joe-bastardi-charlie-sheen-fox-news-climate-science/
 
More fake science? WIth no detailed history to compare to estimates that are drafted to prove the current “theory” are compared to modern measurements? Is that what happened now that the current theory is falling apart faster than excuses and alternates can be made?
If you want real science, go to the IPCC. Or the National Climate Assessment under the U.S. Global Change Research Program. Or the EPA’s site on climate change.

If you choose to simply reject all of those entities, then I suggest you stop claiming to debate science, because you’re just waging a post-modern PR campaign that denies objective reality or any epistemology in which human beings can use reason to understand God’s creation. If so, you’re entering the realm of denying some of the fundamental tenets of what it means to be Catholic. If “fake science” is anything that comes from an entity that you find objectionable, you’re no longer debating science, but ideology. And, as it seems with the climate-denier crowd, ideology trumps all. It’s not that the climate is changing, it’s that the behemoth government is trying to destroy freedom! It’s not statistics that tell us how to interpret facts, but the writings of Friedrich von Hayek – which tells us that government will always grab more power and impoverish the nation. As Pope Benedict decried, relativism has taken root in the Church!
 
The pro-life movement’s fruitless seduction by the Republican Party has resulted in cognitive bias to prevent a feeling of guilt about not caring about other issues. The Republican Party is backed by industries whose profit is tied into NOT addressing climate change. These same industries have spent enormous sums of money politicizing the basic science of climatology, with many of the memes generated by the industry’s PR firms and lobbyists reiterated in this thread. This politicization of science has played on the normal (fallen) human tendency toward confirmation bias by providing a pseudoscience narrative to single-issue pro-life voters to justify their voting against protection of the environment.

By painting a picture of government as a nigh-socialist secularist behemoth set on destroying free enterprise and promoting abortion, the single-issue pro-life voter has set aside the need to consider the devastation that issues like climate change can pose to the poor (e.g., the residents of the Irawaddy Delta in South Asia). All without the need to actually consider science. Instead, the narrative rules – government by Democrats is evil and brings on the Antichrist. The single-issue voter tells himself that only by electing pro-life legislators and presidents (who will appoint pro-life judges) will the holocaust of abortion be ended and the world be saved from the secularist nanny state set on establishing forced abortion as the next major way to save the planet from the scourge of population growth. That is, of course, unless the Second Coming comes along to destroy the Abomination of Desolation that is the secularist, environmentalist, feminist, liberal state in which we now live (Obamacare is really the Mark of the Beast, if you believe the internet!).

And it’s not just the environment. The ostensibly pro-life political gang (laughably) quoted Just War Doctrine in 2004 to justify the Iraq War, while insisting that abortion was a “non-negotiable” issue to consider in the election. Pro-life organizations warn about allowing poor women to have more money, because they might be able to afford abortions.

Yet when it comes down to it, most abortions will take place whether or not it’s legal. A greater percentage of pregnancies end in abortion in Latin America, where it’s generally illegal, than in the U.S., where it’s generally legal. Peer-reviewed estimates of abortion rates before Roe v. Wade are imprecise, so that on a per capita basis, the abortion rate from 1965 could be equal to today’s. And today, you can buy the abortifacient Cytotec on the black market, here in the U.S., or anywhere in the world. All of these stand as stark evidence that abortion’s legal status only dictates how it happens, not whether it does.

Unless we as a culture learn to value children as more than just commodities or props to our demographic future, we’ll never eliminate abortion. The rate of pediatric homicide by parents fell significantly after Roe v. Wade. Today, children born to mothers who report that the pregnancies that bore them were unintended receive less financial and emotional support from their parents. That’s a cultural sickness that originated at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, and will continue unless we Catholics take up the tough job of evangelization, which can never be married to partisan politics. It’s that same culture that causes climate change! Commodification of everything, low cost everything, erosion of all ties other than monetary ties.
A little high strung here don’t you think?

I never mentioned nor implied party. I must admit of the two candidates who were on the ballot last time around with a chance to win were not pro-life. I simply do not buy into MMGW, it is a myth and has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in my mind that the data has been manipulated to prove the other side’s argument. I will not buy into this false science which leads a government to cause what it real pain to real people in this country we thought was free. We are causing more problems for people thorough government feel good politics than any climate change will or has caused.

No I will not site sources for my words, only my opinions and that is good enough for me.
 
Popes can spell out general moral principles involved. Their area of expertise tends not to be environmental science though.
Ok, I agree. But the insinuation was made that I should listen because popes 1, 2, and 3 said this. Well no I do not. Our popes are led by information from the worlds scientists just like you. I can make up my Catholic mind just like the pope, this is not faith and morals required beliefs like abortion being intrinsically evil.
 
I do not have to do better, I have to care for and serve the real people being impacted by BO’s policies. You people spouting all this proof, have chosen to ignore real people’s plight, I don’t understand why. I’m sure you think this is right, but this is a great deception; I will not be deceived.

The number of people who are chronically unemployed is at its highest number while the work force is at its lowest and we are enacting EPA junk science regulations which are putting even more people out of work. Sad times we live in.
 
You have nothing but manipulated data to show me, I will go with my heart and my eyes. I’m not buying your propaganda.
You accused The National Oceanographic Data Center, operated by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the U.S. Department of Commerce, of manipulating data. Please show some evidence for that accusation.
 
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