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I am simply telling you what you would find about the pics. If you care to see then look into it, I already know what they are.
As far as AG? He is the face of MMGW, or clown. Depends on your perspective.
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As far as AG? He is the face of MMGW, or clown. Depends on your perspective.
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Can you name someone more radically right than you?
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You seem to presume often that you “already know” many things without actually doing the research or sharing your source.
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Lapey
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You cannot be serious? I can’t open YouTube at work, so look for it yourself. Search for his comments, its documented very well on video. Also his words about single payer, tax payer paid for healthcare system he intends to implement here in the USA. One video is from '03, and one from '07 if I remember correctly.
He promised to “transform” this nation, and he is doing just that and real people are paying the price.
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It is the track record of the propaganda that I make these presumptions. Can you disagree with this track record of distorting stories and data? There is an agenda behind each story, right and left; which is why I follow both sides and make my own judgments. Mine just happen to differ form yours tremendously, mostly because of the level of inconstancies and proven manipulation of data from the left.
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Do you think those improvements were voluntary or the result of regulations?
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We must care for the environment, in all ways; but we cannot forget the people whom we can and are inflicting pain on in the name of the environment. If this is radically right leaning, then I guess I am. We cannot think of the future generations by forgetting about the current, this is what we are doing right now.
So because I reject MMGW, I am radically right? I am centrists, which is where the Church is. Easy way to think of my leanings is this, abortion is always evil; this is the centrists view which Holy Mother Church holds to be true. Any other view is left or right.
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Plenty of spin to go around:
It didn’t take us long to find Barack Obama’s original quote, which came from a videotaped interview he did with the San Francisco Chronicle editorial board very early in the presidential campaign, January 2008.
“Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket,” Obama told the Chronicle . “Coal-powered plants, you know, natural gas, you name it, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.”
While Obama was talking specifically about cap-and-trade, he was also making a larger point that the biggest challenge will be making sure voters understand why such a plan is necessary.
politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/11/mike-pence/pence-claims-obama-said-energy-costs-will-skyrocke/
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Let me repeat the question:Can you name someone more radically right than you?
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The ‘Skyrocket’ Comment
Romney is also off base with his claim about Obama’s prediction that energy prices would “skyrocket” under his policies, and that we are seeing the fruition of that now at the gasoline pump. Obama’s “skyrocket” quote was part of a discussion about cap-and-trade as a means to reduce greenhouse gases.
There’s no question that curbing greenhouse gas emissions would bring about higher energy prices. Obama, speaking to the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle on Jan. 17, 2008, said electricity costs (not gasoline prices) would “necessarily skyrocket” as a result of capping emissions levels, and that his job as president would be to convince the public and Congress that benefits outweigh costs. “If we can’t make that argument persuasively enough, you can be Lyndon Johnson, you can be the master of Washington, you’re not going to get that done.”
On June 26, 2009, the House passed the American Clean Energy and Security Act (H.R. 2454), a greenhouse gas cap-and-trade bill, by a vote of 219-212. The bill included allowances to electric companies to protect consumers from increases in electricity bills. But the bill died in the Senate.
factcheck.org/2012/03/obama-wanted-higher-gasoline-prices/
Romney is also off base with his claim about Obama’s prediction that energy prices would “skyrocket” under his policies, and that we are seeing the fruition of that now at the gasoline pump. Obama’s “skyrocket” quote was part of a discussion about cap-and-trade as a means to reduce greenhouse gases.
There’s no question that curbing greenhouse gas emissions would bring about higher energy prices. Obama, speaking to the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle on Jan. 17, 2008, said electricity costs (not gasoline prices) would “necessarily skyrocket” as a result of capping emissions levels, and that his job as president would be to convince the public and Congress that benefits outweigh costs. “If we can’t make that argument persuasively enough, you can be Lyndon Johnson, you can be the master of Washington, you’re not going to get that done.”
On June 26, 2009, the House passed the American Clean Energy and Security Act (H.R. 2454), a greenhouse gas cap-and-trade bill, by a vote of 219-212. The bill included allowances to electric companies to protect consumers from increases in electricity bills. But the bill died in the Senate.
factcheck.org/2012/03/obama-wanted-higher-gasoline-prices/
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History of past progress will demonstrate both. This is how it should be. We, the power provider industry is the smartest people when it comes to producing power, not government bureaucrats; and especially politicians. On the other hand, history of recent progress has been made in spite of the industry and the result is what we are seeing. Electricity will become a luxury of the well off because of its costs. You cannot take away all of the cheaper fuels and expect prices not to “skyrocket”. Hydro, nuclear, and coal are all cheap and new regulations prevent any new plant to be constructed; and furthermore, when a plant reaches its expected life span, it is required to be shut down. This is new regulation recently put into place by the BO admin.
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I’ll make this simple for you, do you think I am radically right?
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So you defend President Obama by running down Romney. And I am the radical.
PS. Praise God it failed!!! Problem is, this president is doing it through the EPA. Much of what he wanted which would electric rates to “necessarily skyrocket” have been put in place or are in the process of implementation through the federal regulatory bodies.
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All I did was find the facts, quote them and give the reference. You should try it some time instead fo just giving your opinion.
I don’t know. Do you?
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Your opinion of the “facts” you found was what you wrote. And no, I do not think I am radical right. I am obedient to the Church. If that puts me against the left as in this case, so be it. Same is true on the abortion issues and many others.
On the other side many right wingers hate my views on the death penalty and immigration. I do my best to research what the Church says and where I should speak from, not political parties or politicians. That is why I am an independent. I am equally passionate in my arguments with republicans and democrats. In my book that makes me centrists, some on both sides would disagree. Can’t win 'em all!
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