Obama backs mosque near ground zero

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bbarrick8383 said:
No, if it were found out that some of those private donors also funded terrorist activity would you still support it? This is only the third time I’ve asked it.

Not all muslims are terrorist, but here in American the odds of a terrorist being muslim are pretty high.
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I’d rather terrorists spend money on swimming pools than bombs.
 
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf seems to have an irresistible attraction to extremists and terrorists, in spite of frequent declarations that he is a peacemaker and a “bridge builder.” He has stated that the Islamic community center and grand mosque he wants to build would be “about promoting integration, tolerance of difference, and community cohesion through arts and culture.”

So what was he doing at a 2007 conference in Indonesia of an international terrorist group seeking a global caliphate?

pajamasmedia.com/blog/terror-ties-ground-zero-imam-attended-hizb-ut-tahrir-conference/?singlepage=true

Rauf’s book has two different titles, one for non-Muslims and one for Muslims. In English, it is called What’s Right With Islam: A New Vision For Muslims and the West.

But in Muslim-ruled Malaysia — a country whose language Rauf knows well since he has spent a great deal of time there — the book was published as A Call To Prayer From the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11.
 
TheTrueCentrist said:
Because they will have superior… swimming pool technology?
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Because your mentality allows people like Nidal Malik Hasan to get where they are and do what they do.

Nobody saw that one coming did they?

Have the muslims been promoting this as a mosque or an activity center? I wonder what their beliefs are in blowing up the mosque once it’s built to take out some more infidels?

I know, stupid thinking. Will never happen.
 
Another article on the iman.

nationalreview.com/articles/243536/raufs-dawa-world-trade-center-rubble-andrew-c-mccarthy

Feisal Abdul Rauf is the imam behind the “Cordoba Initiative” that is spearheading plans to build a $100 million Islamic center at Ground Zero, the site where nearly 3,000 Americans were killed by jihadists on 9/11. He is also the author of a book called What’s Right with Islam Is What’s Right with America. But the book hasn’t always been called that. It was called quite something else for non-English-speaking audiences. In Malaysia, it was published as A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11.
Now it emerges that a “special, non-commercial edition” of this book was later produced, with Feisal’s cooperation, by two American tentacles of the Muslim Brotherhood: the Islamic Society of North America and the International Institute of Islamic Thought. The book’s copyright page tells the tale:

Both ISNA and IIIT have been up to their necks in the promotion of Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood’s ruthless Palestinian branch, which is pledged by charter to the destruction of Israel. In fact, both ISNA and IIIT were cited by the Justice Department as unindicted co-conspirators in a crucial terrorism-financing case involving the channeling of tens of millions of dollars to Hamas through an outfit called the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development. For the last 15 years, Hamas has been a designated terrorist organization under U.S. law.

Dawa, whether done from the rubble of the World Trade Center or elsewhere, is the missionary work by which Islam is spread.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
…I wonder what their beliefs are in blowing up the mosque once it’s built to take out some more infidels?

I know, stupid thinking. Will never happen.
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I had lunch with a friend today and wondered the same thing aloud when talking to her. New York is a target, so what better way than to infiltrate the area?
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Because your mentality allows people like Nidal Malik Hasan to get where they are and do what they do.

Nobody saw that one coming did they?
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Yes, they did. His messages were being monitored at the time of the attacks, and his extremist views had been relayed to his superiors.

Do you have any evidence that this is going on here? This literally sounds like McCarthyism where anyone accused of having the most tenuous associations with terrorists is immediately blacklisted, regardless of the veracity of those claims.
 
Obama today:

Obama narrows mosque defense

“I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding,” he said.

Obama’s new stance is logically consistent with his words last night, if a bit less “clarion,” as Mike Bloomberg called the first remarks. And there are certainly two possible stances here: Bloomberg’s, that the Cordoba project itself represents the best of America; and Obama’s, that the freedom of religion is an important American value.

Obama’s new remarks, literally speaking, re-open the question of which side he’s on. Most of the mosque’s foes recognize the legal right to build, and have asked the builders to reconsider.

But the clarification is, in political terms, puzzling. The signal Obama sent with his rhetoric last night wasn’t that he had chosen to make a trivial, legal point about the First Amendment. He chose to make headlines in support of the mosque project, and he won’t be able to walk them back now with this sprinkling of doubt. All he’ll do is frustrate some of the people who so eagerly welcomed his words yesterday as a return to form.
 
TheTrueCentrist said:
fivethirtyeight.com/2010/08/obama-defense-of-ground-zero-mosque.html

A level headed analysis of public opinion.
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A different perspective on what Americans generally think about the President’s stand is shown in one of the first comments on the article: “If our Compromiser-in-Chief speaks out, you can be near-certain its not risky to do so.”

In other words, he probably had his pollsters working overtime on this issue before he went anywhere near it, and they must have seen that there was little in the overall reaction of people polled to indicate it was a hotbutton issue for most Americans.

Interesting possibility…
 
TheTrueCentrist said:
Yes, they did. His messages were being monitored at the time of the attacks, and his extremist views had been relayed to his superiors.

Do you have any evidence that this is going on here? This literally sounds like McCarthyism where anyone accused of having the most tenuous associations with terrorists is immediately blacklisted, regardless of the veracity of those claims.
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What I was referring to was the reports that the military knew that this man was a fruitcake and a muslim for a good while before he fired the first round.

Monitoring messages during the attacks is worthless. Makes me think of Pearl Harbor.
Mr. President, should they or should they not build a mosque steps away from where radical Islamists killed 3000 people? Please tell us your position. We all know that they have the right to do it, but should they? And, no, this is not above your pay grade. If those who wish to build this Ground Zero mosque are sincerely interested in encouraging positive “cross-cultural engagement” and dialogue to show a moderate and tolerant face of Islam, then why haven’t they recognized that the decision to build a mosque at this particular location is doing just the opposite? Mr. President, why aren’t you encouraging the mosque developers to accept Governor Paterson’s generous offer of assistance in finding a new location for the mosque on state land if they move it away from Ground Zero? Why haven’t they jumped at this offer? Why are they apparently so set on building a mosque steps from what you have described, in agreement with me, as “hallowed ground”? I believe these are legitimate questions to ask.
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Like the woman said, the man is lacking a backbone. (To keep it mild.)
 
This is a classic case of taqiyya practiced by this “holy” man. Remember the nut 'mam from London, Choudhary? Right after 9/11, he was on CNN condemning terrorist attack in the name of Islam. And religion is the religion of this and that. In this own mosque, he was caught praising the 19s as heroes and martyrs. This incident was never reported by CNN.
Stjudeprayforus said:
Another article on the iman.

nationalreview.com/articles/243536/raufs-dawa-world-trade-center-rubble-andrew-c-mccarthy

Feisal Abdul Rauf is the imam behind the “Cordoba Initiative” that is spearheading plans to build a $100 million Islamic center at Ground Zero, the site where nearly 3,000 Americans were killed by jihadists on 9/11. He is also the author of a book called What’s Right with Islam Is What’s Right with America. But the book hasn’t always been called that. It was called quite something else for non-English-speaking audiences. In Malaysia, it was published as A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11.
Now it emerges that a “special, non-commercial edition” of this book was later produced, with Feisal’s cooperation, by two American tentacles of the Muslim Brotherhood: the Islamic Society of North America and the International Institute of Islamic Thought. The book’s copyright page tells the tale:

Both ISNA and IIIT have been up to their necks in the promotion of Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood’s ruthless Palestinian branch, which is pledged by charter to the destruction of Israel. In fact, both ISNA and IIIT were cited by the Justice Department as unindicted co-conspirators in a crucial terrorism-financing case involving the channeling of tens of millions of dollars to Hamas through an outfit called the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development. For the last 15 years, Hamas has been a designated terrorist organization under U.S. law.

Dawa, whether done from the rubble of the World Trade Center or elsewhere, is the missionary work by which Islam is spread.
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MugenOne said:
This is a classic case of taqiyya practiced by this “holy” man. Remember the nut 'mam from London, Choudhary? Right after 9/11, he was on CNN condemning terrorist attack in the name of Islam. And religion is the religion of this and that. In this own mosque, he was caught praising the 19s as heroes and martyrs. This incident was never reported by CNN.
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I don’t know that It isn’t being two-faced. My understanding is that although some Muslims may detest and not support terroristism, they do recognize martyrs. A martyr is a martyr straight up. I’ve read that Islamic martyrs don’t necessarily want to die, they do so to further the Islamic agenda out of love and loyalty to Allah, by giving up their own life.
 
PatrickSebast said:
I’m glad he did it, and it makes me think better of him. It is easy to stand up for politically popular opinions, but when you are already be called a “secret muslim” and the majority of the country opposes the mosque standing up for basic American principles or religious freedom and rights regarding privately owned property isn’t so easy. Even if you don’t like the man or what he is supporting you have to give him credit for sticking to his principles.
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Even if his principles are misguided or evil? Oh well, BHO did NOT stick with these "principles" for even a day. :p Rob
 
tjm190 said:
That would require an investigation, and an investigation would require a valid suspicion of wrong doing, which has not been presented.
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They claim to be building this mosque to foster understanding. Obviously releasing a list of their donors would go a long way towards alleviating the total lack of understanding that has occurred so far. No one is saying that all have a right to build a mosque there and no one is saying they are required to list their donors.
 
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