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4elise
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Amazing!
No… wait amazing isn’t the word I was looking for…
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No… wait amazing isn’t the word I was looking for…
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TheTrueCentrist
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I thought I was doing a good job of formulating my own position, only to be told I was wrong because I was too politically correct, multicultural, and tolerant.Just amazing to me really…
What you are saying with the above post (again without discussing the issue) is that you are right and the ‘left’ is wrong. Self-righteous, moi?
estesbob - the ‘pantheon of bogeyman’, known to me as people who are in the public who are speaking about this issue - are part of the discussion - again - feel free to disagree with the point, but if all you are going to do is label it is difficult to have a discussion.
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seekerz
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Imagine for a moment that this (radicalizing more moderate Muslims) was your strategy or, more realistically, if you could see radicalization as the inevitable result of your strategies…would you ever admit it? I remember another time when we were spoiling for a fight and seeking to ratchet up the war on terror - just before we blundered our way into Iraq…Why do you refuse to just discuss the issue?
The point I was making with this is that in February Chaney “predicts a “high probability” of a nuclear or biological terrorist attack in the coming years and said the Obama administration is ill-equipped to prevent it.”
Today - I believe those who are inflaming this topic are in fact empowering those who would wish to do harm to our country by radicalizing more moderate Muslims - do you disagree with this? Do you disagree that the impression of anti-Islam can only help the terrorists?
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4elise
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[/quote]4elise;6984942:
And that turned out well…Why do you refuse to just discuss the issue?
The point I was making with this is that in February Chaney “predicts a “high probability” of a nuclear or biological terrorist attack in the coming years and said the Obama administration is ill-equipped to prevent it.”
Today - I believe those who are inflaming this topic are in fact empowering those who would wish to do harm to our country by radicalizing more moderate Muslims - do you disagree with this? Do you disagree that the impression of anti-Islam can only help the terrorists?[/QUOT
Imagine for a moment that this (radicalizing more moderate Muslims) was your strategy or, more realistically, if you could see radicalization as the inevitable result of your strategies…would you ever admit it? I remember another time when we were spoiling for a fight too - just before we blundered our way into Iraq…
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4elise
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Oh no, some apparently just think you are just the self-righteous ‘left’.I thought I was doing a good job of formulating my own position, only to be told I was wrong because I was too politically correct, multicultural, and tolerant.
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Via_Dolorosa
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You were doing better than good.I thought I was doing a good job of formulating my own position, only to be told I was wrong because I was too politically correct, multicultural, and tolerant.
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Via_Dolorosa
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Physician, Heal thyself.Has anybody else noticed that those on the left cannot carry on a discussion without constantly invoking a whole pantheon of bogeyman? Evidently we are incapable of forming our own opinions- we must be driven into fear and hate by the vast right wing conspiracy-only the enlightened on the left can come to opinions on their own. Let me rephrase God save us from the condescension of the self-righteous
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John_Pascendi
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Yes,Hitler and Stalin also stuck up for their principles. I have not voted for any candidate for president on the so called naitonal ticket in many years for they all belong to the miitary-industrial complex…no-win wars constantly occuring all over the world. I frankly am quite pleased the demoncrats are in power again,they wake up the sleeping giant of anti-collectivism quicker then the flag waving phants.I’m glad he did it, and it makes me think better of him. It is easy to stand up for politically popular opinions, but when you are already be called a “secret muslim” and the majority of the country opposes the mosque standing up for basic American principles or religious freedom and rights regarding privately owned property isn’t so easy. Even if you don’t like the man or what he is supporting you have to give him credit for sticking to his principles.
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John_Pascendi
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‘rant and rave’ such a cute way to describing those of us who lost friends and former students in that attack. There are hundreds of these worship centers already in the big apple. As to freedom of…lets open an Azetic temple also…they practiced human sacrifice…the great Spanish warrior Cortez was shocked at the thousands of skulls on display in the main temple in Mexico…ahh.down mexico way…hoolay…I don’t think the man had any choice but to back it. It’s easy for some pundit to rant and rave about it, but when it gets down to it I think it would be kind of scary to say: “No. You can’t build a religious center here because we don’t like your religion.” We can’t pick and choose on such things, or at least shouldn’t in the U.S.
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Via_Dolorosa
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Or better yet, why don’t we insist all Muslims were a yellow crescent sewn on their clothes so we will know them when we see them.‘rant and rave’ such a cute way to describing those of us who lost friends and former students in that attack. There are hundreds of these worship centers already in the big apple. As to freedom of…lets open an Azetic temple also…they practiced human sacrifice…the great Spanish warrior Cortez was shocked at the thousands of skulls on display in the main temple in Mexico…ahh.down mexico way…hoolay…
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John_Pascendi
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Gingrich is hardly to be quoted for being on the right…he it was who called into session a rump cngress and pushed nafta and gatt…this trade bill has allowed us to be swamped with tons of slave labor products from the likes of china…some of the items ,like baby cribs,have killed over here…newt is a favoirte of the establishement as is Palin…Exactly.
Perhaps the Cheney prediction that we will be attacked must be fulfilled and this is a way to ensure it will happen.
foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/04/report-cheney-warns-new-terrorist-attacks/
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John_Pascendi
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why not mention that he parents were avowed communists…this is easier to understand then fancy talk…You forget-Horwitz drifted off the liberal plantation. One of the few mortal sins the left recognizes
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agnes_therese
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Guilt by parentage?why not mention that he parents were avowed communists…this is easier to understand then fancy talk…
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Via_Dolorosa
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It’s been mentioned. Can’t leave that out of the narrative.why not mention that he parents were avowed communists…this is easier to understand then fancy talk…
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John_Pascendi
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here we go again…‘most perpetrators of the holocaust were christians’ gee I didnt know one can go to church on sunday and murder innocent people the rest of the week and still be considered ‘christians’. Karl Marxs daddy was a rabbi yet Marx wrote the most anti-semitic diatribe in history…called 'on the Jewish question" .no one on the left ever seems to mention this,I guess its of no consequence that Hitler later quoted from this fun theory …The attack against Catholic Christianity is still the strongest ever…DaVinci code,passover plot,Jesus and you know who were lovers…snicker ,snicker! What is a wild desperate pass in football called boys and girls?..A vile character in Cheers called Carla ,slept with everybody,was never home for her kids.yet every so often she would get on her knees and mock the making of the cross etc etc…for anyone to say that we Catholics forget the long ago attacks against our church is nonsense…the attack has never been stronger. …and more vile!!! Muslims follow a founder who married a 9 year old girl called I believe Asia…this is no big deal I guess now a days…He had the convent moved because if offended Jews even though nobody believed the nuns were trying to cause offense. It is interesting that Archbishop Dolan mentioned this exact situation when he offered to mediate this issue. It does not matter whether you think people should feel offended by the mosque or not-the problem is a large number of people are. It’s at this point that people of good intentions can sit down and work something out that everybody is happy with.
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John_Pascendi
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Yes,the muslim religion is one of tolerance…notice how they treat Christians in the lands they control…see how many churchs they allow…also their treatment of women is great also…foricng them to wear uncomfortable clothing in hot weather etc.Secular Humanism is the official religion of America…in the schools and colleges it is pushed constantly. I soon learned to keep my mouth shut when our RCC was attacked so that I could get a decent grade and get that sheepskin and fight such intolerance. The left controls most colleges,means of communication ,hollyweird etc…the poor things cant control the weather and that does make em a bit unhappy. the latest from worldnetdaily.com informs us that fox news biggest stockholder has contributed mucho bucks to this mosque…so much for fox news being a voice of the right…Or better yet, why don’t we insist all Muslims were a yellow crescent sewn on their clothes so we will know them when we see them.
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4elise
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An official religion of America? I must have missed that meeting. If anything it is consumption with a capitol C.Yes,the muslim religion is one of tolerance…notice how they treat Christians in the lands they control…see how many churchs they allow…also their treatment of women is great also…foricng them to wear uncomfortable clothing in hot weather etc.Secular Humanism is the official religion of America…in the schools and colleges it is pushed constantly. I soon learned to keep my mouth shut when our RCC was attacked so that I could get a decent grade and get that sheepskin and fight such intolerance. The left controls most colleges,means of communication ,hollyweird etc…the poor things cant control the weather and that does make em a bit unhappy. the latest from worldnetdaily.com informs us that fox news biggest stockholder has contributed mucho bucks to this mosque…so much for fox news being a voice of the right…
For America or Catholics to stoop to the level of any other countries or people is what I believe we need to speak against.
We are a country that is founded on religious freedom and law. Beautiful.
If one tries to practice a religion that breaks our laws then - as has been discussed in this thread - the protection of individual freedom trumps that - no one can be forced to engage in ‘human sacrifice’ - or in the practice of their religion injure another.
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Catherine_D
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Excellent! So obvioiusly Sharia law, hijab, niqab and any other forms of anti-female “covering” customs (such as the burka) should be outlawed in the US on humanitarian grounds!If one tries to practice a religion that breaks our laws then - as has been discussed in this thread - the protection of individual freedom trumps that - no one can be forced to engage in ‘human sacrifice’ - or in the practice of their religion injure another.
Of course, we need to spread this vision to the rest of the world as the more enlightened view, yes? Let’s bring the women of the world into the 21st century!
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4elise
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In the United States no one can** force** a women to wear a burka - anymore than someone can force a women to cover her head in a Catholic Church.Excellent! So obvioiusly Sharia law, hijab, niqab and any other forms of anti-female “covering” customs (such as the burka) should be outlawed in the US on humanitarian grounds!
Of course, we need to spread this vision to the rest of the world as the more enlightened view, yes? Let’s bring the women of the world into the 21st century!
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Via_Dolorosa
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I truly understand your frustration. As far a s muslim country being tolerant, they do not have the constitution that we do. We are not a theocracy. We don’t dictate what women should wear. We are not a theocracy.Yes,the muslim religion is one of tolerance…notice how they treat Christians in the lands they control…see how many churchs they allow…also their treatment of women is great also…foricng them to wear uncomfortable clothing in hot weather etc.Secular Humanism is the official religion of America…in the schools and colleges it is pushed constantly. I soon learned to keep my mouth shut when our RCC was attacked so that I could get a decent grade and get that sheepskin and fight such intolerance. The left controls most colleges,means of communication ,hollyweird etc…the poor things cant control the weather and that does make em a bit unhappy. the latest from worldnetdaily.com informs us that fox news biggest stockholder has contributed mucho bucks to this mosque…so much for fox news being a voice of the right…
Why did you have to keep your mouth shut at any time in this country. We have a right to say what we want. As stated on another thread we even have the right to lie if we want to.
"The left controls most colleges,means of communication ,hollyweird etc…the poor things cant control the weather and that does make em a bit unhappy. the latest from worldnetdaily.com informs us that fox news biggest stockholder has contributed mucho bucks to this mosque…so much for fox news being a voice of the right…
I don’t know why you say the left controls the colleges. If y;ou mean that colleges try to get young adults to think outside the box, maybe yes. Please be a little more clear because I don’t understand this. Are you one who thinks that just because someone went to college that person is an elite? I’m not try to be funny. I don’t understand what you are thinking.
Yes, you are right about the ownership of Fox News. The number two guy of NewsCorps ( I’m not exactly sure if that’s the name of the parent company) is a Saudi Prince who is also helping to finance the community center in NY. So is fox News helping to finance terrorists? Fox gave one million dollars to the committee for republican governor races. I’m not sure of the exact name. Are they buying influence in our elections. Does the Saudi prince have any say in the matter?
Please don’t despair. You sound very upset. We, as Americans, need to seek out the truth and not the soundbites.
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