Obama Excoriates Republican Obsession With The Term ‘Radical Islam’

[GaryTaylor]

You know Hillary has two points to run on, one is she is a woman, and since that can’t help her because of integrity, the other is a to continue to lie.

in the 2008 Democratic primary, as then-Sen. Barack Obama was being roundly condemned for saying Rust Belt voters “cling to guns or religion,” his rival Hillary Clinton joined in, saying that Obama’s comments offended her on a personal level, as she came from a family of gun owners.

“You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” she told a crowd in Indiana. “It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are.”

. “There is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights” and reducing crime, Clinton replied.

Hillary lies so much she may tell you anything any given day.

 

[Darryl1958]

Just saying the Iraq War was unjust doesn’t make it so. There are those who argue, credibly, that it was just.

But if one wants to look at unjust wars, none could be more unjust in recent decades than the war on Libya. Bush at least got congressional approval for Iraq Phase II. Obama/Clinton didn’t even tell congress in advance of attacking Libya. They just did it. So no legitimate authority. The “evil” of Khaddaffi was replaced by the greater evil of ISIS. So it fails there too. The harm that it did was greater than the harm it caused. And never did it present a reasonable probability of success, another failure under the Just War doctrine.

Now, even Obama admits Libya was a mistake. Hillary Clinton doesn’t, though.

They say that hindsight is 20/20. Just or not, after the great difficulties that overthrowing the tyrant in Iraq brought on, there was no excuse for western countries to have not learned from that before entering into Libya to do more of the same.

By this time it was abundantly clear that the voters in the West would not want to commit troops to the kind of long term that it takes to ensure that the tyrant is replaced with an administration committed to civil rights. By this time it was abundantly clear how strong the Islamists’ grip on the House of Islam is.

That is why Congress was not told in advance. The Obama administration knew that they could not make an adequate case in front of the people.

There is no argument to be made that the Libyan war was a just one, and in fact nobody even attempts to make one. Democrats just sweep it under the rug, as if nothing really happened, as if they were not really even responsible anyway.

Being a liberal means never having to say you’re sorry.

 

[St_Francis]

On the state level, Republican legislators have certainly curtailed it to the extent they could. When something is declared a “constitutional right” it’s hard to even minimize it.

voting for Bush meant something, as little as some might like it. In Carhart vs. Gonzales, the question was whether states could ban partial birth abortions. The Supreme Court upheld the bans. In that vote, all five Republican appointees voted to uphold partial birth abortion bans. All four Democrat appointees voted against allowing states to ban partial birth abortion. Two of the five Repub justices were appointed by George W. Bush.

So, like him or hate him, Bush did do something to save the lives of the unborn, as have other Repubs on the state level.

If Clinton is elected, she’ll appoint at least two justices and the Supreme Court will be totally pro-abortion for a generation and more. They’ll reverse Carhart vs. Gonzales for sure.

Wouldn’t Carhart v Gonzalez be settled law? If the SC can reverse this ruling, then can’t they reverse Roe v Wade?

 

[Ridgerunner]

Wouldn’t Carhart v Gonzalez be settled law? If the SC can reverse this ruling, then can’t they reverse Roe v Wade?

Of course they can reverse either or both, or modify them. In the Obergefell case (homosexual marriage) they reversed a previous case saying states could prohibit it.

 

[Crossbones]

Just saying the Iraq War was unjust doesn’t make it so. There are those who argue, credibly, that it was just.

But if one wants to look at unjust wars, none could be more unjust in recent decades than the war on Libya. Bush at least got congressional approval for Iraq Phase II. Obama/Clinton didn’t even tell congress in advance of attacking Libya. They just did it. So no legitimate authority. The “evil” of Khaddaffi was replaced by the greater evil of ISIS. So it fails there too. The harm that it did was greater than the harm it caused. And never did it present a reasonable probability of success, another failure under the Just War doctrine.

Now, even Obama admits Libya was a mistake. Hillary Clinton doesn’t, though.

Yes, there are those who try to argue that the Iraq War is a just war, though I would disagree that they do so credibly.

I agree that aspects of Libya were a mistake and I do feel that Clinton’s support of both the Iraq War and what happened in Libya should concern any Catholic voter.

 

[Crossbones]

They say that hindsight is 20/20. Just or not, after the great difficulties that overthrowing the tyrant in Iraq brought on, there was no excuse for western countries to have not learned from that before entering into Libya to do more of the same.

I always assumed Canada refused to join the coalition of the willing because they had the foresight that it was unjust. Do you not believe that to be true?

 

[Darryl1958]

Voting Republican has not saved a single one.

The objective is to transform the culture. For a Catholic to repeatedly vote for the most pro-choice candidate possible, when others exist to vote for, that is telling the greater society that even Catholics do no in their Church.
How much is one unborn life worth?
The message is clear from the Catholic left that it is not worth as much as Solyndra was.
And the same goes for the other 50 million who will never be born.

 

[sallybutler]

The objective is to transform the culture. For a Catholic to repeatedly vote for the most pro-choice candidate possible, when others exist to vote for, that is telling the greater society that even Catholics do no in their Church.
How much is one unborn life worth?
The message is clear from the Catholic left that it is not worth as much as Solyndra was.
And the same goes for the other 50 million who will never be born.

Which is why many choose to vote third-party.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

On the state level, Republican legislators have certainly curtailed it to the extent they could. When something is declared a “constitutional right” it’s hard to even minimize it.

voting for Bush meant something, as little as some might like it. In Carhart vs. Gonzales, the question was whether states could ban partial birth abortions. The Supreme Court upheld the bans. In that vote, all five Republican appointees voted to uphold partial birth abortion bans. All four Democrat appointees voted against allowing states to ban partial birth abortion. Two of the five Repub justices were appointed by George W. Bush.

So, like him or hate him, Bush did do something to save the lives of the unborn, as have other Repubs on the state level.

If Clinton is elected, she’ll appoint at least two justices and the Supreme Court will be totally pro-abortion for a generation and more. They’ll reverse Carhart vs. Gonzales for sure.

It seems to me you take a lot for granted. Spurious conjecture. We don’t know if she will appoint two or any and if she did we do not know if what they would decide IF a case dealing with abortion ever came to them. They are appointed and confirmed not on the basis of a single issue. Of course if it were up to this forum they would be. Fortunately the process is a bit wiser.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

The objective is to transform the culture. For a Catholic to repeatedly vote for the most pro-choice candidate possible, when others exist to vote for, that is telling the greater society that even Catholics do no in their Church.
How much is one unborn life worth?
The message is clear from the Catholic left that it is not worth as much as Solyndra was.
And the same goes for the other 50 million who will never be born.

If we want to transform culture then we need to be consistent to be taken seriously and be effective and that means pro-life across the issues: support for children and mothers, support for elder care, the environment, health care, opposition to torture and the death penalty, etc.

 

[grotto]

Soul search your priorities - they are in need of deep cleansing.

 

[grotto]

It seems to me you take a lot for granted. Spurious conjecture. We don’t know if she will appoint two or any and if she did we do not know if what they would decide IF a case dealing with abortion ever came to them. They are appointed and confirmed not on the basis of a single issue. Of course if it were up to this forum they would be. Fortunately the process is a bit wiser.

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Let’s keep babies safe from being butchered - don’t let Hillary Clinton get near the White House ever again!

 

[Michael_Mayo]

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Let’s keep babies safe from being butchered - don’t let Hillary Clinton get near the White House ever again!

You think Trump will stop it??? Why don’t we give women more choices besides abortion and struggling with pregnancy and motherhoodi? Free prenatal care, child care, food assistance , in short, Life Support so she is less likely to choose abortion in the first place, THAT IS PRO LIFE.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

You think Trump will stop it??? Why don’t we give women more choices besides abortion and struggling with pregnancy and motherhoodi? Free prenatal care, child care, food assistance , in short, Life Support so she is less likely to choose abortion in the first place, THAT IS PRO LIFE.

That’s right. If women were not choosing abortions, or feeling pressured into them by family or friends, there would be no abortions.

 

[7_Sorrows]

No, you don’t understand how the left plays the game. They constantly set traps that the right falls into. Obama could easily use that phrase, but he knows it drives the right nuts that he doesn’t…so he and the left keep pushing that button until the right lashes back, and every time the right lashes back about such small things, it looks petty and unworthy of the office.

In this situation Obama comes across as stately and mature. While Trump and the Republicans come across as petty and childish.

The left knows that a large swath of the country is not very well informed, and they know most people react on an emotional level–so they push all those buttons. Far more people think Obama was right to slam the Republicans, than not.

The left plays in the major leagues, while the right plays in T-Ball.

I disagree. I think Obama comes across as petulant and immature and not very corageous. I heard a speech by Netanyahu that came across as stately and mature. He hit the nail on the head.

 

[Darryl1958]

If we want to transform culture then we need to be consistent to be taken seriously and be effective and that means pro-life across the issues: support for children and mothers, support for elder care, the environment, health care, opposition to torture and the death penalty, etc.

The way to support mothers and children and elders is through a vibrant economy.
Being pro-life does not necessitate being a leftist and taking the leftist view on the role of government. Conservatives can be Catholics too, and conservatives can be pro-life without taking the leftist stance on all issues.
It is a disingenuous argument to turn your backs on the right and refuse to participate with the right on the issue of pro-life, unless the right takes the leftist point of view first.

America has a welfare state at any rate. There is social security and people are not dying on the streets for want of the necessities of life. Neither Republicans or any other party are going to dismantle the welfare state, so the emotional appeal to be for mothers and children is a red herring.
The poor have gotten poorer and the rich richer under Obama.
Even if we accept the leftist point of view, then that is no reason to vote for the pro-abortion candidate.

Torture is a red herring by the way. Few people of any political stripe believe in torture, or, don’t believe in torture, depending on how torture is defined. My understanding of torture, btw, is more comprehensive that the Catholic catechism, as it turns out.

A large segment of Catholic conservatives also don’t believe int he death penalty either, as per latest directives, but the comparison is between hundreds and a third of each generation in that regard.
And among those hundreds are some of the most evil people that are possible in this world.
Further, that issue has almost already been won, with most countries and most states in America already signed on. That is yesterday’s fight that you are directing us to fight, and away from the horror of the death of a third of each consecutive generation.
When people consistently do that, it is simply not credible that they are actually pro-life in the first place.

Being a Catholic does however mean understanding the importance of life, and evangelizing as much.
As it is, it is preposterous to actually believe than anyone who votes Democrat cares even a little about the evangelizing the belief that life begins at the womb.
It is simply not credible, and as long as leftist Catholics vote Democrat, nobody really cares about whether or not they actually do believe in the Catholic teaching.
Nobody needs to even court their vote on the issue, because it is already in the bag regardless.

 

[Darryl1958]

I disagree. I think Obama comes across as petulant and immature and not very corageous. I heard a speech by Netanyahu that came across as stately and mature. He hit the nail on the head.

Obama does carry the culture with him, or more accurately, the culture carries him. He is part of the world that would blame the Christians for this too.

“Danger on the right!”

ISIS is the foot soldiers of the self-loathing left, doing the things that the left itself is to soft to do, and no longer has the stomach for. Theirs a nihilistic culture that is all “hey, hey, ho, ho, Western civ has got to go!” This is a culture whose deepest value is the slaughter of a third of each generation, and that does everything it can to undermine traditional procreative marriage. This is nihilism to an extent that even the prophet of nihilism, Frederick Nietzsche, could never have envisioned

That is the only thing that would explain the widespread acceptance of Islamists by the left, and the deep and abiding loathing that Obama has for the religious right.
But is the religious right that justified Western civilization. That is why people like Obama cannot stomach Republicans.

 

[grotto]

Trump will see to it that Planned Parenthood does not receive any money from MY money! That should appeal to those who can’t come up with a good reason to begin to end abortion.

I do not want to hear about programs to provide nutrition, housing, clothing, education, employment, and health CARE. We have those in abundance. Abortionists are also prevalent because of sexual degradation in our society which they support for money.
It has expanded to enriching their evil by selling the body parts of babies.

Enough said!

 

[mary_bobo]

It seems to me you take a lot for granted. Spurious conjecture. We don’t know if she will appoint two or any and if she did we do not know if what they would decide IF a case dealing with abortion ever came to them. They are appointed and confirmed not on the basis of a single issue. Of course if it were up to this forum they would be. Fortunately the process is a bit wiser.

Clinton herself has said in several instances whose back she will have. I hardly call the suggestion “spurious”.

 

[FollowChrist34]

That’s right. If women were not choosing abortions, or feeling pressured into them by family or friends, there would be no abortions.

I actually agree. To deny this to me is to basically deny free will, which, goodness knows, we Catholics push on every other situation with a vengeance. A core tenet of the whole faith. (I notice this because I struggle with God / free will / evil as a concept (vs. mercy) a lot, but there is this weird vanishing act that comes into play with women and abortion and free will - I am genuinely confused by it)