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Crossbones
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So, you’re saying that George W Bush learned to call torture another name (enhanced interrogation techniques) from Bill Ayers? I didn’t know he was a follower of Bill Ayers.
Obama Excoriates Republican Obsession With The Term ‘Radical Islam’
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Good_Tidings
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Bill Ayers is a pretty popular guy.
LeafByNiggle
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It’s called being smart and working to isolate ISIS, rather than concede their claim that they represent Islam, and so deliver unto their ranks, all 1.6 billion Muslims. Why would anyone (other than Trump) want to do that?
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Expatreprocedit
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I think most Americans can distinguish between “radical Islam” and Islam in general. Anyway, denying the obvious really doesn’t cure misunderstandings.
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Expatreprocedit
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No, it’s only when Obama does something that it must be the influence of Bill Ayers, or Saul Alinsky, or both. Oh yeah, and “Marxism”. Not when others do it.
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Crossbones
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That’s what I thought. Which right wing radio host is still pushing this anyway?
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ctb95
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Are you sure about that? I’ve heard stories about Americans attacking Baha’i people because they looked like “radical Muslims.” It seems that people can’t even distinguish between Muslims and non-Muslims!
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7_Sorrows
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remember the quote - “never let a crisis go to waste”.
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Millie123
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I think that many Americans have a hard time distinguishing between radical Islam and Islam in general.
I remember after the 9/11 attacks violence against Sikhs increased because they were mistaken as being memebers of the muslim religion.
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1751841.html
And new studies are showing that Islamophobic violence is increasing in our country
commondreams.org/news/2015/12/18/charts-violence-against-muslims-ravaging-us-communities
"Researchers with the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University (CSU) found that anti-Muslim hate crimes have tripled in the wake of the Paris and San Bernardino attacks.
According to The New York Times, which obtained the study ahead of its public release, there has been an average of 12.6 “suspected hate crimes” against U.S. Muslims per month for the past several years. But since the Paris attacks in mid-November, that monthly number has climbed to 38 attacks that are “anti-Islamic in nature.”
Such crimes include arson and vandalism of mosques, shootings, and death threats."
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Expatreprocedit
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Well, then it seems to me Obama has missed a teachable moment, when he could have clarified the distinction for Americans. Instead, by refusing to acknowledge the radical Islamic nature of the terrorist threat, he has opened himself up to Trump’s attacks.
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musivc
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I’m a very religious Catholic. I understand the way my religion affects my life…even when it is really difficult.
To understand why “Islamic Terrorism” needs to be addressed is because of the explicit instructions in their un-holy book as to how infidels need to be dealt with. If a Muslim goes by the book then he is just doing what his religion tells him to do. This will go on forever.
I’m not an apologist for any politician- however, It doesn’t help when B. Hussein Obama succumbs to political correctness. FT. HOOD, BOSTON, SAN BERNADINO, ORLANDO, PARIS, BRUSSELS, etc…
To understand why “Islamic Terrorism” needs to be addressed is because of the explicit instructions in their un-holy book as to how infidels need to be dealt with. If a Muslim goes by the book then he is just doing what his religion tells him to do. This will go on forever.
I’m not an apologist for any politician- however, It doesn’t help when B. Hussein Obama succumbs to political correctness. FT. HOOD, BOSTON, SAN BERNADINO, ORLANDO, PARIS, BRUSSELS, etc…
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Millie123
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splcenter.org/hatewatch/2015/11/16/fbi-reported-hate-crimes-down-nationally-except-against-muslims
"Hate crimes in America dipped across the board in 2014, except in the category of anti-Muslim crimes, which rose about 14 percent over the prior year, according to FBI statistics released today. Given the barbaric Islamic State attacks in Paris last week and elsewhere recently, that latter trend seems destined to accelerate.
The reported drop in total hate crimes of almost 8 percent is probably meaningless, as several studies by the government’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) in recent years have showed that the FBI numbers are vastly lower than the real level of hate crimes, making year-over-year comparisons of the totals virtually impossible. (The FBI’s reported national totals went from 5,928 in 2013 to 5,479 last year.)
However, experts have said that within the larger numbers, it is possible to get a good sense of trends. That means the rise in anti-Muslim hate crimes is very likely real, probably a reaction to reports of murders and other atrocities carried out by the Islamic State, or ISIS. Other categories of hate crime — anti-Latino, anti-black, anti-LGBT and anti-Jewish — all dropped, according to the new FBI numbers.
The actual totals of anti-Muslim hate crimes — from 135 in 2013 to 154 in 2014 — were not dramatic for a country of close to 320 million people.
But the BJS studies have found that while the FBI has reported over the last 20 years between about 6,000 and about 11,500 total hate crimes in America each year, the real annual totals in recent years has been nearly 260,000. That suggests that the real numbers are some 25 to 40 higher than the FBI totals, which in turns means the real 2014 total of anti-Muslim hate crimes could be as many as 6,000 or more.
The anti-Muslim numbers have been rising slowly but steadily since 2012. In that period, ISIS beheadings and other atrocities have pushed radical Islam into the news in a way that almost certainly has fueled anti-Muslim hatred. Given the Charlie Hebdo and other attacks in early 2015, along with the most recent Islamist slaughter in Paris, anti-Muslim hate crimes seem bound to rise again in 2015."
"Hate crimes in America dipped across the board in 2014, except in the category of anti-Muslim crimes, which rose about 14 percent over the prior year, according to FBI statistics released today. Given the barbaric Islamic State attacks in Paris last week and elsewhere recently, that latter trend seems destined to accelerate.
The reported drop in total hate crimes of almost 8 percent is probably meaningless, as several studies by the government’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) in recent years have showed that the FBI numbers are vastly lower than the real level of hate crimes, making year-over-year comparisons of the totals virtually impossible. (The FBI’s reported national totals went from 5,928 in 2013 to 5,479 last year.)
However, experts have said that within the larger numbers, it is possible to get a good sense of trends. That means the rise in anti-Muslim hate crimes is very likely real, probably a reaction to reports of murders and other atrocities carried out by the Islamic State, or ISIS. Other categories of hate crime — anti-Latino, anti-black, anti-LGBT and anti-Jewish — all dropped, according to the new FBI numbers.
The actual totals of anti-Muslim hate crimes — from 135 in 2013 to 154 in 2014 — were not dramatic for a country of close to 320 million people.
But the BJS studies have found that while the FBI has reported over the last 20 years between about 6,000 and about 11,500 total hate crimes in America each year, the real annual totals in recent years has been nearly 260,000. That suggests that the real numbers are some 25 to 40 higher than the FBI totals, which in turns means the real 2014 total of anti-Muslim hate crimes could be as many as 6,000 or more.
The anti-Muslim numbers have been rising slowly but steadily since 2012. In that period, ISIS beheadings and other atrocities have pushed radical Islam into the news in a way that almost certainly has fueled anti-Muslim hatred. Given the Charlie Hebdo and other attacks in early 2015, along with the most recent Islamist slaughter in Paris, anti-Muslim hate crimes seem bound to rise again in 2015."
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GaryTaylor
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Hate crime with muslims is up but not higher than the Jews even though this dropped by a small percent.
The other most widely accepted survey aside from the FBI mentioned above is the National Crime Victimization Survey. It accounts for the stats not reported as crime to the FBI. They work in unison.
LeafByNiggle
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As I said before, it has nothing to do with political correctness. It just good military strategy to try to isolate your opponent and deny him allies and recruits and sympathizers. To call this “Islamic” is to concede to the terrorists the support of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims. Who would ever want to do that?
It may make you feel good to pound your chest and say “we stand against all those evil Muslims”. But doing that will only hand them more legitimacy and support.
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lemongrass80
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B. Hussein Obama?
If you are going to spell out his middle and last name, why not his first name as well?
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lemongrass80
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And rightfully so.
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Michael_Mayo
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Trump and his supporters obviously cannot.
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mikekle
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I agree and have said this same thing many times, this war is unlike any past war we have fought, there will never be a ‘V day’. The jihadists are not fighting because their commanders are telling them to, this is something they all hold close to their hearts.
Everyone in the US seems to celebrate when our military kills a top leader of theirs, but fails to recognize this makes little difference, they will just replace the guy, and maybe with a more violent, effective person. They have an endless line of fighters, the kids being born into that culture today will be the fighters 15-20 yrs down the road.
This war will go on until a larger threat comes along.
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Lea101
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Exactly. I feel like some people are just finding any reason to pick on Obama
Anyway, one way citizens can help prevent radicalisation is to not discriminate Muslims. Many Muslims are being targeted and harassed as terrorists in the USA. On top of that, many ignorant self proclaimed feminists target Muslim women for being oppressed bc of their hijab (even though they want to wear it etc) Once these muslims see the West as the “enemy”, it’s easy for radicalised Muslims to influence them. (“See how much they hate Allah’s word” etc)
Instead of constantly picking on the government, we can also help prevent radicalisation by basically, being good people and supporting non radicalised muslims.
In our country, we call in Social Defense, i think. Terrorists love to spread terror, not just by killing people. People hating Muslims is obviously what they want as well.
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