Obama: Freedom of religion is national security issue

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Iron_Chariot said:
People seem to think religious freedom only applies to Christian employers who think they should be able to skirt the law but not the employees. Religious freedom also means that individuals have the right to not have a religion’s rules imposed upon them.

Here’s the thing, religious freedom guarantees right to believe, not right to act. You have the freedom to oppose contraception; but that does not mean you get to deny what is otherwise legal to others outside your religion.
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Read the 1st Amendment:
  • “Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion or the **free exercise **thereof.”
 
Suudy said:
What employers are denying contraception?
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ding ding ding!!!

Somehow the left thinks every “right” should be paid for by others.

I have the right to own a car, I don’t have the right to make you pay for it.
 
qui_est_ce said:
ding ding ding!!!

Somehow the left thinks every “right” should be paid for by others.

I have the right to own a car, I don’t have the right to make you pay for it.
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Coming soon to a town near you. 😦
 
=Iron Chariot;11680823]People seem to think religious freedom only applies to Christian employers who think they should be able to skirt the law but not the employees. Religious freedom also means that individuals have the right to not have a religion’s rules imposed upon them.
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the imposition of a law that requires someone to not exercise their religious convictions is by definition a violation of the constitution. But, if the SCOTUS decides that it is constitutional, that simply means the SCOTUS and the government have confiscated a right, and since rights are something the government has no power to confiscate, the act would be an act of tyranny.
Here’s the thing, religious freedom guarantees right to believe, not right to act. You have the freedom to oppose contraception; but that does not mean you get to deny what is otherwise legal to others outside your religion.
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If a person chooses to use contraceptives, Walmart sells them, as do others, and no one is suggesting that this fact change. But to coerce an employer who finds the use of contraceptives to be a contradiction of their religious faith to pay for their provision, is a truly heinous violation of their religious liberty.

Jon
 
Iron_Chariot said:
People seem to think religious freedom only applies to Christian employers who think they should be able to skirt the law but not the employees. Religious freedom also means that individuals have the right to not have a religion’s rules imposed upon them.

Here’s the thing, religious freedom guarantees right to believe, not right to act. You have the freedom to oppose contraception; but that does not mean you get to deny what is otherwise legal to others outside your religion.
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Wrong. 1st Amendment guarantees the free exercise of one’s religion.

Also, we are denying NO ONE from using contraception. We just refuse to be the ones forced to PAY for it. We can’t stop anyone from paying for it themselves. We have imposed nothing on anyone. The only ones getting anything imposed on them is Catholics by the Gov’t.

There is no constitutional right to have your employer give you free contraception.
 
SMA_12 said:
Wrong. 1st Amendment guarantees the free exercise of one’s religion.

Also, we are denying NO ONE from using contraception. We just refuse to be the ones forced to PAY for it. We can’t stop anyone from paying for it themselves. We have imposed nothing on anyone.** The only ones getting anything imposed on them is Catholics by the Gov’t.**
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And LCMS Lutherans, too. 👍
There is no constitutional right to have your employer give you free contraception.
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This is true. Government lacks power to legislate a right, since rights are antecedent to government. Further, someone’s right by definition doesn’t “cost” anyone else theirs. There is only one right that the government guarantees will be provided by the taxpayer: legal defense in a criminal case if one can’t afford it.

Jon
 
qui_est_ce said:
Read the 1st Amendment:
  • “Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion or the **free exercise **thereof.”
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Read the rest of Constituion. Especially the part about equal protection.
 
SMA_12 said:
Wrong. 1st Amendment guarantees the free exercise of one’s religion.

Also, we are denying NO ONE from using contraception. We just refuse to be the ones forced to PAY for it. We can’t stop anyone from paying for it themselves. We have imposed nothing on anyone. The only ones getting anything imposed on them is Catholics by the Gov’t.

There is no constitutional right to have your employer give you free contraception.
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Well that’s not exactly true. Employers don’t have to pay for it, insurance companies do (and will, it saves them money). If that was really all the issue was about, then the compromise offered of having the insurance companies bear the cost of contraception (not pass it on to the employer) would have been enough.
 
I tend to agree with the president’s statement. Since he has no regard for national security, it make sense has no regard for freedom of religion either.

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Iron_Chariot said:
Read the rest of Constituion. Especially the part about equal protection.
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Equal protection does not have anything to do with the contractual relationship between employee and employer. And this is part of what is really onerous about the HHS Mandate: it unnecessarily interposes the government between employee and employer in the contractual arrangement. By doing so, and by putting in place these kinds of regulations, it disrupts the contractual process, and pits rights against “entitlements”.

This is why the Constitution does not provide for this kind of government coercion in the enumerated powers of the legislative or executive.

Jon
 
Iron_Chariot said:
Well that’s not exactly true. Employers don’t have to pay for it, insurance companies do (and will, it saves them money). If that was really all the issue was about, then the compromise offered of having the insurance companies bear the cost of contraception (not pass it on to the employer) would have been enough.
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Pfft… Do you really think it is even possible for insurance companies not to pass the cost onto the employer?
 
JonNC said:
And LCMS Lutherans, too. 👍

This is true. Government lacks power to legislate a right, since rights are antecedent to government. Further, someone’s right by definition doesn’t “cost” anyone else theirs. There is only one right that the government guarantees will be provided by the taxpayer: legal defense in a criminal case if one can’t afford it.

Jon
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👍
 
Iron_Chariot said:
Well that’s not exactly true. Employers don’t have to pay for it, insurance companies do (and will, it saves them money). If that was really all the issue was about, then the compromise offered of having the insurance companies bear the cost of contraception (not pass it on to the employer) would have been enough.
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A middle man doesn’t change anything. That’s why we rejected the “compromise”.
 
My first thought when I read this in the news what that the executive branch was posturing for some sort of future action or move, so it worried me.

The only nation our President needs to be concerned about defending religious in freedom is the one that elected him. :stretcher:
 
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