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He is NOT PRO-ABORTION AT ALL.Just as Moses is not the author of indiscriminate divorce, neither Obama nor any past US President is pro-abortion.

There are some wrongs that warrant a Penal Law to deter, but not all. Some wrongs are to be left to the conscience of those who commit them after educating public in general. Obama is doing wonderful work to educate people against abortion, since it is not practical to ban it or have a Penal Code.
It makes no sense to say that abortion is an evil thing and at the same time call it a right. And by the way, Moses only allowed people to divorce their wives because they were killing them. So he allowed for divorce to avoid murders, not to make the murders “safe”. Abortion can’t be compared to divorce since divorce doesn’t kill anyone. And it’s possible for married couples to reconcile after a divorce. But once a baby is murdered, you can’t bring that baby back.
 
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People like CMatt25 and Myql should send more funds to the IRS. Maybe I would have more respect for them when they want people to pay their fair share, whatever that may be.
They pay their fair share already. The problem isn’t with CMatt25 and Myql, it’s with the uber-rich wanting to hang on their tax exemption for luxury jets, etc. while other people are out of work and homeless. The Right is totally given over to Greed these days, populated by the unholy rich and the wannabe rich.
 
It would appear that USA politics is not about pure politics but is based on race, religion and celebrity. I consider this to be a very worrying trend where the society is very divided and only interested in self and not for the good of the whole of the USA.
 
Do it then. The wiki has shown itself fairly accurate when reviewed scientifically. Not much worse than regular encyclopedia, and quite a bit more extensive on a lot of subjects.

“Several studies have been done to assess the reliability of Wikipedia. A notable early study in the journal Nature said that in 2005, Wikipedia scientific articles came close to the level of accuracy in Encyclopædia Britannica and had a similar rate of “serious errors”.[2] The study by Nature was disputed by Encyclopædia Britannica,[3] and later Nature replied to this refutation with both a formal response and a point-by-point rebuttal of Britannica’s main objections.[4] Between 2008 and 2010, articles in medical and scientific fields such as pathology,[5] toxicology,[6] oncology[7] and pharmaceuticals[8] comparing Wikipedia to professional and peer-reviewed sources found that Wikipedia’s depth and coverage were of a high standard.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia

Ehh. It’s not 13 or 14% of the population taking their own lives. That would be catastrophic. And obviously, 13% of 300 million is a lot more than 14% of 5 million (which is the population of Norway). I don’t really understand your thinking here.

In any case, you measure suicide rates per 100 000. According to the wiki entry, the US (2009 final analysis from CDC. Don’t know why WHO do not update with the new numbers, but you should notice that stats from 2010 and 2011 has been compiled by some of these countries without being updated on the WHO website. Obviously, updating these numbers is not a priority.) has a marginally higher rate than Norway and Denmark (2009 numbers taken from WHO), and a marginally lower rate than Sweden. That’s it.
I would not want to lie. There are several studies showing Wikipedia’s poor reliability on issues. Wikipedia is very reliable for pop culture information, but academic information it is not very reliable on. Hence why most universities do not allow students to cite Wikipedia as a source in a paper.

Excuse my poorly written response about proportions. I was trying to say that proportionally the suicide rates are higher in the Scandinavian regions than in America. You are dealing with two drastically different sized populations. Assisted suicide is also not considered suicide anymore even though it is. So a portion of the numbers are not being reported.
 
That’s not nice. But it may be four years that the Church can use to clean up the entanglements that we’ve been in, and get our priorities straight. It’s not all bad. Although it’s not going to be easy.

The Cardinal said 2 Lents. He said that before lent last year, so you do the math.
I agree and apologize. I was being sarcastic and uncharitable. Forgive me, please. I am also sorry to all the other posters who did not agree with me. You know, everyone on this thread should probably apologize to each other since there are a lot of nasty posts on it. (At least one post had a patently racist comment in it.) We should take a look at what we’ve written and ask ourselves if we were being Christian in our behavior or not. Because someone is of a different political stance does not make them worthy of such diatribes as I have been reading. Even those with opposite opinions about things that are “intrinsically evil” do not deserve such verbal abuse. If, as has been suggested, a person of such opinions is a victim of his or her “errant ways”, i.e. a “sinner”, one still has no right to point and say “You fool!” q.v. *Matthew * 5:22. Be kind.
 
Do these Scandinavian countries have basically homogeous populations meaning 90% Scandinavian? What are their population sizes?
World’s most prosperous nations with the most happiest people are Scandinavian countries which are generally socialists in policy and governance with a 40-60% tax rate.

Scandinavian countries have continued to dominate the top of the global index, which takes measurements from across eight categories: economy, education, entrepreneurship & opportunity, governance, health, personal freedom, safety & security and social capital.

1 - Norway
2 - Denmark
3 - Sweden
4 - Australia
5 - New Zealand
6 - Canada
7 - Finland
8 - Netherlands
9 - Switzerland
10 - Ireland
11 - Luxembourg
12 - U.S.
13 - UK
14 - Germany
15 - Iceland
16 - Austria
17 - Belgium
18 - Hong Kong
19 - Singapore
20 - Taiwan
21 - France
22 - Japan
23 - Spain
24 - Slovenia
25 - Malta

business.financialpost.com/2012/11/05/u-s-slips-out-of-top-10-most-prosperous-countries-while-canada-keeps-no-6-ranking/

TAX RATES PER NATION

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates
 
I agree and apologize. I was being sarcastic and uncharitable. Forgive me, please. I am also sorry to all the other posters who did not agree with me. You know, everyone on this thread should probably apologize to each other since there are a lot of nasty posts on it. (At least one post had a patently racist comment in it.) We should take a look at what we’ve written and ask ourselves if we were being Christian in our behavior or not. Because someone is of a different political stance does not make them worthy of such diatribes as I have been reading. Even those with opposite opinions about things that are “intrinsically evil” do not deserve such verbal abuse. If, as has been suggested, a person of such opinions is a victim of his or her “errant ways”, i.e. a “sinner”, one still has no right to point and say “You fool!” q.v. *Matthew * 5:22. Be kind.
We should all strive to be Christian like Obama, babies born alive should be left to die if they survive abortion. He’s a great guy!
 
Ok, did anyone watch Hannity tonight? I rarely watch his show because I think he tends to go too far, but I thought his opening monologue where he said that while he didn’t want Obama to win and clearly many people are disappointed we can’t give up. He said go ahead and take a few days to deal with the disappointment but then we have to get back in the game because we can’t give up our principles. He said some other things too.

I have to say I was surprised at how what he said really made me feel better. And I wasn’t even surprised Obama won. This country is reaping what it’s sown and it will continue to. But I was happy to hear something positive from him.
Also, Obama’s campaign as Hannity has indicated called Romney a felon, accused Romney of murder per the miners wife who died of cancer. This is atrocious stuff and yet, Obama and the Democrats get away with it.

Personally, Benghazi could have some serious ramifications, already some say it is worse than Watergate, one thing is sure, no one died at Watergate.

Hannity’s radio show is very enjoyable, I’ve never enjoyed the TV show as much but have watched quite a bit tonight and it’s been good.
 
Wild allegations cannot become true even when echoed by many.
They are not wild allegations. He voted more than once, he voted three times, to not render medical aid to an infant who survives a late-term abortion. He voted to allow the infant to die, a living, breathing, newborn baby, a fully formed human child, he voted to allow that child to die because allowing the baby to live “would be burdensome to their mother. She alone should decide whether her baby lives or dies.” That is being pro-infanticide.

illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/01/top-10-reasons.html
 
He is NOT PRO-ABORTION AT ALL.Just as Moses is not the author of indiscriminate divorce, neither Obama nor any past US President is pro-abortion.

There are some wrongs that warrant a Penal Law to deter, but not all. Some wrongs are to be left to the conscience of those who commit them after educating public in general. Obama is doing wonderful work to educate people against abortion, since it is not practical to ban it or have a Penal Code.
Tell me you are joking!

See, this is why Obama gets away with so much, people just are not aware of the facts,

Obama has voted for Infanticide, that is live babies dying and that is even worse than abortion in my view but in God’s eyes, they may both be as bad as each other.

lifenews.com/2012/08/27/obama-backs-infanticide-lies-about-abortion-isnt-he-extreme/
Obama Backs Infanticide, Lies About Abortion, Isn’t He Extreme?
 
They are not wild allegations. He voted more than once to not render medical aid to an infant who survives an abortion. He voted to allow the infant to die, a living, breathing, newborn baby, a fully formed human child, he voted to allow that child to die. That is being pro-infanticide.
3 times pro-infanticide to be exact. That fact still makes me very sad. Sad that any human could do that and sad for the loss of all those children. God guide them to heaven.
 
It makes no sense to say that abortion is an evil thing and at the same time call it a right.
No one called it a right. But no one may punish the wrong, but God. Neither you nor any of your fellow thinkers may usurp God’s authority.
And by the way, Moses only allowed people to divorce their wives because they were killing them. So he allowed for divorce to avoid murders, not to make the murders “safe”.
Don’t invent theories about why divorce was permitted. It was a nullification of God’s law of irrevocable marriage and it is the people who divorce who will be held accountable for it to God and not Moses the Law giver.
Abortion can’t be compared to divorce since divorce doesn’t kill anyone. And it’s possible for married couples to reconcile after a divorce. But once a baby is murdered, you can’t bring that baby back.
There is no question of comparing ‘abortion’ and ‘divorce’ and don’t add false stuff to my post. Both these wrongs have been left to the conscience of those who commit them because it is impractical to have a Penal Code against these wrongs.
 
Wild allegations cannot become true even when echoed by many.
Yeah, but they are true if it is his voting record. This is why Obama won, downright ignorance and a good man was denied the presidency by ill-informed voters.

It’s in print, you are simply making things up.
The mainstream media has predictably turned a blind eye to Barack Obama’s extremism on abortion.
The National Right to Life Committee correctly noted, “The mainstream news media is again busy ginning up stories exploring the outer parameters of the abortion-related policy positions of pro-life Republican candidates, even where this involves remote, theoretical scenarios — while demonstrating a near-total disinterest in putting the spotlight on the outer parameters of the ‘abortion rights’ positions embraced by President Obama, even on matters under current legislative consideration.”
lifenews.com/2012/08/27/obama-backs-infanticide-lies-about-abortion-isnt-he-extreme/
 
You are repeating lies. You should seriously stop.
There is audio of Obama saying that he thinks babies who survive an abortion should die. I heard him say it. The audio clips of him saying it were posted on these forums before by someone.
 
Also, Obama’s campaign as Hannity has indicated called Romney a felon, accused Romney of murder per the miners wife who died of cancer. This is atrocious stuff and yet, Obama and the Democrats get away with it.
Romney was never accused of murder, he was accused of policies which would took away a medical assistance program, leading to a woman’s death for inability to get medical treatment. That is completely legitimate, and not the same as accusing someone of direct murder.

On the other hand, Tea Party groups with Hannity’s smirking approval have been accusing Obama with wanting to institute “death panels” and kill old people since 2009.

Also Hannity conveniently forgot to mention the dirty tricks played on Kerry in the 2004 campaign, the scurrilous “Swift Boat” campaign.

Hannity is a propagandist, and a demagogue. He is leading you and millions of others astray, and will be called to account some day.
 
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