Obama has won

[_Abyssinia]

83% of Catholics who don’t bother to come to mass weekly? I think that’s terrible. And very telling about the condition of the Church in the US. It’s really nowhere near as big as officially claimed.

And with the HHS mandate, all kinds of interesting things are going to happen now. Ironic things.

Do I expect Catholics to vote in accordance with Church teaching with that statistic? Sadly no. That statistic has to be changed. The Church has to do more to educate Catholics in the faith

 

[SusansChoice]

I am very serious. I am awake enough to see that we are only a hair away from being those “previous generations”. We are in serious, serious trouble as a society.

I understand how you feel. I am sick about it too, especially how it will effect The Church. Personally, I tried to resist being one of those people who believe in end times prophecy, but, I have come to believe this is God’s will.

Don’t be depressed. Trust God. Now is the time, more than ever, to stand and proclaim your faith. Just wearing a crucifix (I think of it as battle armor) around your neck is a sign to all that see you that you are a Christian. I try (although I am a huge failure) to be a reflection of God’s grace. I think there will be more and more attacks on The Church and we need to be strong.

In some ways, I actually feel energized tonight. Bring it on, Satan!
I hope I don’t sound like a nut.
Just remember, no matter who is president, Jesus Christ is King!

Blessings,
Susan

 

[R_C]

You don’t have data. People make these claims all the time, but they never have data to support them, and if data is not available there is no reason to believe these claims. It’s just that simple.

Excuse me, are you saying that I am bearing false witness?

To begin with, the local group I belong to, which was formed to support the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite in our Archdiocese, is in its majority made of young people, I’d say mostly in the age span 20-35.

Fr. Claude Barthe, chaplain of the pilgrimage to Rome “Una cum Papa nostro” that culminated with the celebration of Holy Mass in the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite celebrated by the Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, said:

I think it is necessary to insist on this point. By the grace of God, in some countries such as France and the United States – but the phenomenon could be extended – the Traditional Liturgy, unfortunately without filling all voids, keeps growing in the important area of vocations.

In France, for example, in addition to 710 diocesan seminarians there are 140 French seminarians (including 50 of the SSPX) in preparation who are dedicated to the Extraordinary Form, that is to say, 16% of all vocations to the Priesthood in France.

This pattern is also found in the number of ordinations: this year 21 new priests are ordained for 97 French dioceses.

Furthermore, the spiritual dispositions of this diocesan clergy is also full of potential: young diocesan priests and diocesan seminarians are attracted to the celebration of the two forms of the Rite. Specifically in France, it is no exaggeration to say that at least one third of candidates for the diocesan priesthood can be considered as favourable towards Summorum Pontificum.

The website of FSSP shows the number of members to be in steady increase, and the average age of members to be 37.

That’s some more data.

 

[XiWang717]

You are very welcome, and I do appreciate your kind words

Jesus actually did accept their authority. He willfully paid the taxes when they asked Him to do so, He accepted their authority to arrest and judge Him, and He accepted Pilate’s authority to scourge Him and condemn Him to death. He did, however, say He was king, and that His kingdom was not of this world. He never accepted any imposition from the earthly authorities that was against God’s will. And this we see in the way the Holy Spirit guided the apostles, and later the disciples who followed Christ even if this meant to be put to death, if necessary.

Think of it a bit like our parents: if my parents tell me to sin, I won’t. But I still accept their legitimate authority.

Now government is not like our parents, because sometimes authority is not legitimate. Every case is unique, every place and time is unique. But ultimately we can only chose between two masters: Christ or Satan.

I don’t really understand what you are saying, at least in the first part. Are you saying that Jesus actually bowed to the will of the Pharisees? Was their “authority” given by God as well? Following Christ or Satan…if I chose to follow Obama, I would have to be either following Christ’s will or following Satan’s?

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

People have guns in canada, but we are a rifle and shotgun nation, hunters, unless you use a BULL 357, your not bringing down anything Canada has to offer with a handgun

well maybe a beaver… but no Moose

I’ll try my 50. cal Desert Eagle on any moose* you care to point out.

*After obtaining the necessary licenses of course.

 

[DlandFan06]

I’m angry about this. Will things ever get better?

 

[BroomWagon]

I don’t really understand what you are saying, at least in the first part. Are you saying that Jesus actually bowed to the will of the Pharisees? Was their “authority” given by God as well?

We have had so many bad rulers in history, Stalin, on and on. So no, we don’t blindly bow to authority.

 

[iloveangels]

Do I expect Catholics to vote in accordance with Church teaching with that statistic? Sadly no. That statistic has to be changed. The Church has to do more to educate Catholics in the faith

Someone up top said that things will work out for the better. I think that they might, and I"m not gloomy. I am realistic. The stuff IS going to hit the fan now. That might not be a totally bad thing. We’re in a rut and this might either knock us out of it, or at least make us face it.

 

[SusansChoice]

No, no. I’m talking about when Catholics lose their diocesan jobs, food banks and soup kitchens close. And when that most sacred of Catholic institutions closes down, the Catholic school.

I assure you, this will be the main topic of conversation in every single chancery in this country at 8AM tomorrow morning.

Either the church in this country will give up what it believes under force…or…it will fold all this stuff up and dust off its hands. One or the other. It cannot pay $36,500 per person per day every year, and it won’t.

I read something recently that said under Obamacare, a full time employee is anyone who works over 30 hours per week, My understanding (and I could be way off base) is that if your emplyee is part time (under 30 hours) per week, you do not have to provide the mandated health insurrance.
If that is the case, I can see many, many employers dropping their full time employees to 29 hrs per wk.

Can anyone tell me if I am correct about that?

 

[BroomWagon]

Someone up top said that things will work out for the better. I think that they might, and I"m not gloomy. I am realistic. The stuff IS going to hit the fan now. That might not be a totally bad thing. We’re in a rut and this might either knock us out of it, or at least make us face it.

I just hope it stays tranquil. With Benghazi, we may find we have an impeachable act actually. Hard to believe enough Americans voted for Obama, I don’t think BHO should have won at least Florida but maybe, diverse state.

 

[XiWang717]

We have had so many bad rulers in history, Stalin, on and on. So no, we don’t blindly bow to authority.

I would hope not. Many of us do, however. My own people did so many times in our history, to our ruin many times over. No man’s authority here can be greater than that of God.

 

[R_C]

I don’t really understand what you are saying, at least in the first part. Are you saying that Jesus actually bowed to the will of the Pharisees? Was their “authority” given by God as well?

Yes, of course he did, in all matters that did not go against God’s will.

When the High Priest, by the authority he had, said: “*I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God. *” Jesus, who had kept silent, immediately replied: “You have said it. And I tell you, that you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”

And when Pilate told the Lord: "“Do you refuse to speak to me? Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?” Christ replied: “you would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.”

As for who they received authority from:

Catechism 1899 The authority required by the moral order derives from God: “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.” (Rom 13:1-2; cf. 1 Pet 2:13-17.)

Then again, we must consider the subsequent parts:

1902 Authority does not derive its moral legitimacy from itself. It must not behave in a despotic manner, but must act for the common good as a “moral force based on freedom and a sense of responsibility” …]

1903 Authority is exercised legitimately only when it seeks the common good of the group concerned and if it employs morally licit means to attain it. If rulers were to enact unjust laws or take measures contrary to the moral order, such arrangements would not be binding in conscience. In such a case, “authority breaks down completely and results in shameful abuse.”

 

[_Abyssinia]

Even though Romney lost by a relative small margin the big reason I think Obama won is because the mainstream media protected him and acted as if they were part of his campaign, the economy, Benghazi etc. That is why I am looking forward to the fall of the mainstream media

 

[iloveangels]

I read something recently that said under Obamacare, a full time employee is anyone who works over 30 hours per week, My understanding (and I could be way off base) is that if your emplyee is part time (under 30 hours) per week, you do not have to provide the mandated health insurrance.
If that is the case, I can see many, many employers dropping their full time employees to 29 hrs per wk.

Can anyone tell me if I am correct about that?

I believe that everyone is covered under the HHS mandate in some way. Not sure whether the diocese will be required to cover you or if you will be expected to pay for your own insurance from one of these insurance pools.

Many diocesan employees are simply going to lose full-time employment, particularly those employees who the diocese can’t justify under the exemption language. And I expect that it’s going to happen pretty quickly.

 

[BroomWagon]

I read something recently that said under Obamacare, a full time employee is anyone who works over 30 hours per week, My understanding (and I could be way off base) is that if your emplyee is part time (under 30 hours) per week, you do not have to provide the mandated health insurrance. If that is the case, I can see many, many employers dropping their full time employees to 29 hrs per wk. Can anyone tell me if I am correct about that?

On the surface of it, this is exactly what I’ve heard as well, that 30 hour deal and making a lot more employees part time but hey, McDonald’s and other companies may get exemptions.

 

[XiWang717]

Yes, of course.

For instance, Jesus did not directly identify Himself as the Messiah.

But when the High Priest, by the authority he had, said: “*I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God. *” Jesus, who had kept silent, immediately replied: “You have said it. And I tell you, that you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”

And when Pilate told the Lord: "“Do you refuse to speak to me? Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?” Christ replied: “you would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.”

As for who they received authority from:

As I understand it, you are basically saying that the Pharisee priests had power by God to command Christ, even though they denied Jesus as the Messiah. Why are we not bowing to their authority then today?

 

[oldcelt]

Even though Romney lost by a relative small margin the big reason I think Obama won is because the mainstream media protected him and acted as if they were part of his campaign, the economy, Benghazi etc. That is why I am looking forward to the fall of the mainstream media

Romney lost because the people rejected the idea of returning to the Bush era.

John

 

[iloveangels]

On the surface of it, this is exactly what I’ve heard as well, that 30 hour deal and making a lot more employees part time but hey, McDonald’s and other companies may get exemptions.

The Catholic church won’t get an exemption. The rules for religious employers have already been written and published. There are 4 conditions and ALL 4 have to be met. Here they are:

"The exemption is only for a “religious employer,” defined as “one that (1) Has the inculcation of religious values as its purpose; (2) primarily employs persons who share its religious tenets; (3) primarily serves persons who share its religious tenets; and (4) is a non-profit organization under section 6033(a)(1) and section 6033(a)(3)(A)(i) or (iii) of the [Internal Revenue] Code.” HHS notes that these provisions of the Code refer to “churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches, as well as to the exclusively religious activities of any religious order.”

 

[BroomWagon]

I would hope not. Many of us do, however. My own people did so many times in our history, to our ruin many times over. No man’s authority here can be greater than that of God.

Yes, we wills strive for the best. Thank you for your response.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Romney lost because the people rejected the idea of returning to the Bush era.

John

Gas prices, unemployment, poverty etc was a lot lower when Bush was president. Romeny distinguished himself from some of Bush’s policies in the 2nd debate