Obama has won

[Kenny_Kamel]

It’s sad, but you can see why we are so divided and gridlocked in congress just by reading this thread. We have people believing abortion is the most important issue and all else is secondary.

It IS the most important issue, if we don’t preserve LIFE than nothing else will follow. This is to include liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and other rights guaranteed to us as American citizens.

BTW, your modern/post-modern mentality that subjectively disqualifies a human being in the womb from being a human is flawed beyond recourse. Biology has evidenced that a zygote, fetus, or any other human form taken in the womb are developmental stages in human life. Other stages include infancy, adolecence, puberty, adulthood, etc. What I am stating is objective, it is fact and it is truth… to deny such is intellectually disengenous. It is unfortunate that the contrary mentality has been so pervasive for the past 100-150 years

This mindset of idealism is exactly why nothing gets done in Washington.

The anti-life/pro-abortion/contraception ideal tends to muck things up as well, this is what happens when you fuse relativism with self-centered nonsense. See “gay marriage” lobby.

Bring both parties to the middle to focus on things we actually can work on rather than shutting down someone doesn’t agree with our religious and moral beliefs.

Reagan did this, the Republican Congress under Clinton did this, GW Bush did this after 9/11. It seems to me that Democrats often accuse their opposition of exactly what they are doing themselves. Obama won’t work with anyone who isn’t in lockstep with him, in Democrat terms “Republican Obstructionism.” “Gay marriage” advocates want to change laws to impose their agenda, if you disagree you are “imposing your views on them.” If you oppose the pro-contraception crowd you hate women, even though contraception itself does nothing other than objectify women and essentially undermines what feminists have fought for for decades.

Truly it is bizzare, black people are seemingly enslaved by the Democrat Party thanks to LBJ. The same LBJ who used illegal surveillance against MLK (a Republican) and called him a hypocritical preacher, the same LBJ who said his Great Society program would “have these n****** voting Democratic for 200 years.”

 

[Link0126]

We need to consider the very probable theory that God has given the country up to our sins.

 

[iloveangels]

like the Hospital where Jill Stanek worked In Chicago that was doing LIVE BIRTH INDUCED ABORTIONS and is/was called CHRIST HOSPITAL (but AFAIK did not have any affiliation with any church…or if it did, not sure what church)

Yes, like that. You’ll see St. So-and-So but it won’t be Catholic. The names have escaped out into the public domain as business property. I doubt that we’ll spend the time and effort buying the names back or some such nonsense. It’s the least of our worries now.

 

[jediliz]

We need to consider the very probable theory that God has given the country up to our sins.

Where is Jonah when you need him…

 

[iloveangels]

We need to consider the very probable theory that God has given the country up to our sins.

It’s entirely possible, Link.

 

[Orogeny]

The abortion debate is not about when life starts. Here are some relevant questions, taken from the wiki-entry:

“Ethical question regarding abortion usually include:
Are embryos, zygotes and fetuses “persons” worthy of legal protections?
Should the potential to be a person give embryos, zygotes and fetuses a right to life?
Does a fetus gain rights as it gets closer to birth?
Does a woman have an absolute right to determine what happens in and to her body?
Is abortion acceptable in cases of rape, incest, or contraception failure?
Is abortion acceptable in cases where the fetus is deformed?
Is abortion acceptable in cases where if the pregnancy were to continue, it would pose a direct threat to the life of the mother?”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_debate#Ethical_debate

As noted in that article, some of the same arguments can be (and have been) made for infanticide.

Peace

Tim

 

[iloveangels]

Where is Jonah when you need him…

Careful, Jonah was was preaching to his own. That’s where we have to start too.

 

[Persuader]

Okay, you make good points but I could never vote for someone like Obama who believes live babies should be left to die, that’s infanticide.

That trumps all your talk about science and all that. Even more flawed thinking are those such as his.

Yes, he is an extreme leftist, we could have many jobs but we have high unemployment because he is out to destroy the energy sector.

We’ve printed up money and the stock market can crash, Obama is just a crony socialist and helps the Unions.

If you believe in pro-life, and want to change the electorate, read the arguments. Engage the professors of ethics and law that disagree. Read the journals. Understand their position, and not the caricature you are fed by the media. You can begin here:

iep.utm.edu/abortion/

What does extreme leftism have to do with his handling of the energy-sector? I don’t see the ideological connection. Please explain this.

Quantitative easing is mainstream economics. Again, what is extreme leftist about it? What is the ideological connection? This is a fantasy you have created. Nothing leftist about any of this. This is mainstream economics.

 

[Scoobyshme]

The abortion debate is not about when life starts. Here are some relevant questions, taken from the wiki-entry:

“Ethical question regarding abortion usually include:
Are embryos, zygotes and fetuses “persons” worthy of legal protections?
Should the potential to be a person give embryos, zygotes and fetuses a right to life?
Does a fetus gain rights as it gets closer to birth?
Does a woman have an absolute right to determine what happens in and to her body?
Is abortion acceptable in cases of rape, incest, or contraception failure?
Is abortion acceptable in cases where the fetus is deformed?
Is abortion acceptable in cases where if the pregnancy were to continue, it would pose a direct threat to the life of the mother?”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_debate#Ethical_debate

No different than the approach of Adolph Hitler. He chose the Jews to focus hate on, calling them “Untermensch” (subhumans). Just because you slap a label (embryo, zygote, fetus) on them does not change the fact that it’s a person at some stage of development. Teens are in a stage of development, too. Should we be allowed to slaughter them, too?

All the conditions you mentioned (rape, incest, etc.) fail to mention that the result is still an innocent human being.

So the real question is, “Is there a class of human beings whom we will not protect under the law, and allow to be murdered?”

 

[qui_est_ce]

Give them Phones?

We honestly got turned down by a job seeker that didn’t think the job was worth giving up unemployment and his government issued CELL PHONE!

The job started at 8.25 with 32 hours of work a week. That’s actually pretty good around here for unskilled labor that requires no HS diploma. And in an air-conditioned office.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Careful, Jonah was was preaching to his own. That’s where we have to start too.

He was not. He went up to Nineveh which was in Persia.

 

[SwizzleStick]

What are you even talking about? The US is a center-right country. Obama is a center-right politician. …

Oh, I see. I get it.





This is a joke.

Funny stuff. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Persuader]

As noted in that article, some of the same arguments can be (and have been) made for infanticide.

Peace

Tim

Yes, you can have the discussion, but it’s not settled. And the fact that the debate can be had, doesn’t mean that you can say that abortion arguments can simply be dismissed (ad absurdum). Here is a introduction to the academic debate on abortion: iep.utm.edu/abortion/

The reality is that there are more people (especially in academia) who support what the author describes as the moderate view and the extreme liberal view. These two views have more support than the extreme conservative view.

 

[meltzerboy]

She will be too old. Imagine Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, Harry Reid, Sheila Jackson-Lee and Nancy Pelosi competing for the presidency at the first Democratic Party debate. That would be a sight. Liberal heaven, eh?

Most of the people you mention will also be too old. But I realize you’re mainly painting a grotesque and funny picture here, even from the liberal perspective. Nancy Pelosi in a debate would indeed be a sight to behold. The future of both parties lay in young leadership with innovative and creative ideas for solving our country’s domestic and international problems. On the Republican side, someone like Marco Rubio, for example.

 

[Schmoo]

I could careless what the world thinks of us. America is no longer the most powerful nation on earth… .I suspect this is why the world wanted this treasonous “president” reelected.

You’ve got to be joking!!

But then, I’m not an American. I know what the rest of the world thought of GWB. And it DOES matter to other countries who is President of the most powerful nation on earth.

Whether you like it or not - and clearly you don’t - the world at large breathed a sigh of relief tonight.

 

[Persuader]

So the real question is, “Is there a class of human beings whom we will not protect under the law, and allow to be murdered?”

Of course that is the question. Did you really think that the abortion debate was about whether an embryo had human DNA? Here are an introduction to the academic arguments, and you should know them if you serious about being pro-life:

iep.utm.edu/abortion/

This is a joke.

Funny stuff. Thanks for the laugh.

No, it’s not a joke. You tell me one single policy that is extreme left. You can’t do it.

 

[Orogeny]

The reality is that there are more people (especially in academia) who support what the author describes as the moderate view and the extreme liberal view. These two views have more support than the extreme conservative view.

That must make them right, then.

Of course there are more people, especially in academia, that support killing babies. That isn’t particularly surprising, nor does it make them correct.

Peace

Tim

 

[iloveangels]

He was not. He went up to Nineveh which was in Persia.

We still have to start out with our own.
Cardinal Dolan from Rome: Saint Bernard said, “If you want to be a channel, you must first be a reservoir”.
zenit.org/article-35689?l=english

 

[oldcelt]

I could careless what the world thinks of us. America is no longer the most powerful nation on earth… .I suspect this is why the world wanted this treasonous “president” reelected.

Watch the treasonous garbage…that is far below the standards of this forum. Next time you will be reported

 

[Marie5890]

List of the most accurate polling firms for this election as per Fordham Univ.

livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/fordham-study-public-policy-polling-deemed-most-accurate

“For all the ridicule directed towards pre-election polling, the final poll estimates were not far off from the actual nationwide vote shares for the two candidates,” Panagopoulos said in a statement. Here’s the whole list:

1. PPP (D)*

1. Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP*

3. YouGov*

4. Ipsos/Reuters*

5. Purple Strategies

6. NBC/WSJ

6. CBS/NYT

6. YouGov/Economist

9. UPI/CVOTER

10. IBD/TIPP

11. Angus-Reid*

12. ABC/WP*

13. Pew Research*

13. Hartford Courant/UConn*

15. CNN/ORC

15. Monmouth/SurveyUSA

15. Politico/GWU/Battleground

15. FOX News

15. Washington Times/JZ Analytics

15. Newsmax/JZ Analytics

15. American Research Group

15. Gravis Marketing

23. Democracy Corps (D)*

24. Rasmussen

24. Gallup

26. NPR

27. National Journal*

28. AP/GfK