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So I just typed this huge post for a thread that was apparently deleted. I’m sorry, but I’m going to post it here. It’s about why I voted for Obama. I figure that some of you might want to read it.

I voted for Obama because I believe, most importantly, that he cares about giving people equal opportunities. I don’t fit the stereotype of the typical Obama supporter that seems to swirl around this forum. My family is comfortably middle class, and I have had quite a few advantages in my life. I’m in medical school, and I work extremely hard. In short, I’m not a lazy freeloader, but rather I am hard-worker from a relatively privileged background.

Everyday I think of all of the people who have my work ethic and intellect (or who are more intelligent, harder workers), but who will never get my opportunities because of their lack of advantages. I am referring to the culture of poverty that keeps people from feeling like they have the real ability to advance their socioeconomic status and children who attend failing inner city schools with burnt out teachers and outdated materials. I think of the kids who feel unsafe in their neighborhoods, who sometimes don’t have enough food or clean clothes, who feel like they are not meant to be one of the privileged few. During the second debate, Romney made a comment about cutting funding to PBS. In the practical sense, cutting funding to such programs would hardly a make dent in the deficit, but I also saw this as his lack of understanding about the importance of public works. I believe that President Obama is more in touch with the middle class and cares more for its members. Furthermore, I like that the President is more concerned for women’s health. He and other democrats would not make comments like some of the ones that Republicans made earlier this year…think Todd Akin. It’s cliche, but it’s also true. There a lot of older, wealthy Caucasian males in the party who are out of touch with the youth, with many female voters, and with many minorities.

I like the President’s stance on social issues. I have numerous homosexual friends who are cut deeply every time they hear that someone does not think that they should be allowed to marry. You don’t know these types of statements hurt people until you witness it first hand. It makes many homosexuals feel that their fellow countrymen see them as lesser people, who do not deserve the same rights as those who happen to be born heterosexual. I also believe that we need to address climate change and that we need to work to protect the environment. I am in favor of gun control, regulation of capitalism, and of helping those in need. I want everyone to be able to worship freely and safely, but I do not want any particular religion to have a big hand in government, and I think that the GOP panders too much to some religious groups.

For the past few years, I have been seeing frightening changes in the religious groups due to their ties with the GOP. I see things on this Catholic forum that make my head spin and that seem to directly contradict many of Jesus’ teachings. For example, I believe that Jesus would support a little bit of redistribution so that the poor and needy can live comfortably. I believe that Jesus would support environmental protection and that he would be opposed to the death penalty, etc. I think that Catholics on this forum are so hung up on the abortion issue that they forget that other issues exist. And since it’s such a major issue, I suppose that I will try to address the topic of abortion.

If abortion were made illegal tomorrow, it would not stop the desire for the procedure. It would create a dangerous market for the procedure. It would be like putting a small band-aid on a massive wound. You have to address the symptoms. Have comprehensive sex ed programs, and make birth control accessible, especially in poor areas. You are not going to be able to promote abstinence enough to stop people from having sex. You’re living in a dream world if you think that pre-marital sex is going to stop or that everyone is going to start using programs like NFP. It’s not going to happen. So make your choice. I think that most of you would prefer the use of birth control and better sex ed. Additionally, more women would be likely to continue with a pregnancy if they felt that they had more resources, the exact types of resources that the GOP wants to cut. Also, let’s not forget that we endured eight years with the very conservative Bush, and abortions still took place. And please stop the nonsense that Obama is pro-abortion. He is not actively promoting abortion. I don’t know any people of sound mind who actually want abortions to happen. They can be traumatic for the mother as well. I would like to see more sympathy for these women. You never truly know what another person experiences.

For me, it really comes down to support for the poor and middle class, care for women’s health, environmental and other social issues, and the fact that I think Obama is a more genuine person. Romney seemed like an automaton from the beginning. He was counting on people voting for him for who he was not–not who he was. He did not make many concrete points, and he flip flopped terribly throughout the election.

I am also really turned off by extreme, vocal groups like the Tea Party, who many Americans consider to be a small, nonsensical group. If the GOP wants to gain young and/or minority voters, then they will need to rethink the party platform and make it more inclusive. Women voters, young voters, and minority voters are largely liberal, and these demographics will likely turn out more voters in the next election. You might not like what I am saying, but look at the results of yesterday. I am speaking the truth, and until you embrace that changes need to be made, your party will only continue to decline.
 
Ah yes… preaching the party line and dancing the Occupy jig.

The very rich work very hard for their money. They are usually the ones who hire people to create jobs and spend lots of money to make the economy strong. I am convinced that the democrats are instilling the passion of jealousy in their constituents.
The very rich generally make money off of other people’s money, or off of people’s vices (like Sheldon Adelson, the casino owner who helped bankroll Mitt Romney). They generally lead very decadent lifestyles and drown themselves in luxury, while others around them are in hardship. Do you really want to extoll their virtues?

Your attitude towards riches does not strike me as being in accord with Orthodoxy. You should familiarize yourself with these teachings from the Fathers:

“Who is the covetous man? One for whom plenty is not enough. Who is the defrauder? One who takes away what belongs to everyone. And are you not covetous, are you not a defrauder, when you keep for private use what you were given for distribution? When some one strips a man of his clothes we call him a thief. And the one who might clothe the naked and does not- should not he be given the same name? The bread in your hoard belongs to the hungry; the cloak in your wardrobe belongs to the naked; the shoes you let rot belong to the barefoot; the money in your vaults belongs to the destitute. All you might help and do not- to all these you are doing wrong.” - St. Basil the Great, Sermon on “The Rich Fool”

“So whoever loves his neighbor as himself owns no more than his neighbor does. But you have a great fortune. How can this be, unless you have put your own interests before those of others?… I know many people who fast, pray, groan, and do any kind of pious work that doesn’t affect their pockets, but at the same time they give nothing to the needy. What good are their merits? The kingdom of heaven is closed to them.” - St. Basil the Great, Homilia VII.

“As a great river flows by a thousand channels through fertile country, so let your wealth run through many conduits to the homes of the poor. Wells that are drawn from flow the better; left unused, they go foul. So money kept standing still is worthless; moving and changing hands, it helps the community and gives increase.”- St. Basil, “The Rich Fool”

“Do not say, ‘I am using what belongs to me.’ You are using what belongs to others. All the wealth of the world belongs to you and to the others in common, as the sun, air, earth, and all the rest.”- St. John Chrysostom, Homily on I Corinthians.
 
So I just typed this huge post for a thread that was apparently deleted. I’m sorry, but I’m going to post it here. It’s about why I voted for Obama. I figure that some of you might want to read it.

I voted for Obama because I believe, most importantly, that he cares about giving people equal opportunities. I don’t fit the stereotype of the typical Obama supporter that seems to swirl around this forum. My family is comfortably middle class, and I have had quite a few advantages in my life. I’m in medical school, and I work extremely hard. In short, I’m not a lazy freeloader, but rather I am hard-worker from a relatively privileged background.

Everyday I think of all of the people who have my work ethic and intellect (or who are more intelligent, harder workers), but who will never get my opportunities because of their lack of advantages. I am referring to the culture of poverty that keeps people from feeling like they have the real ability to advance their socioeconomic status and children who attend failing inner city schools with burnt out teachers and outdated materials. I think of the kids who feel unsafe in their neighborhoods, who sometimes don’t have enough food or clean clothes, who feel like they are not meant to be one of the privileged few. During the second debate, Romney made a comment about cutting funding to PBS. In the practical sense, cutting funding to such programs would hardly a make dent in the deficit, but I also saw this as his lack of understanding about the importance of public works. I believe that President Obama is more in touch with the middle class and cares more for its members. Furthermore, I like that the President is more concerned for women’s health. He and other democrats would not make comments like some of the ones that Republicans made earlier this year…think Todd Akin. It’s cliche, but it’s also true. There a lot of older, wealthy Caucasian males in the party who are out of touch with the youth, with many female voters, and with many minorities.

I like the President’s stance on social issues. I have numerous homosexual friends who are cut deeply every time they hear that someone does not think that they should be allowed to marry. You don’t know these types of statements hurt people until you witness it first hand. It makes many homosexuals feel that their fellow countrymen see them as lesser people, who do not deserve the same rights as those who happen to be born heterosexual. I also believe that we need to address climate change and that we need to work to protect the environment. I am in favor of gun control, regulation of capitalism, and of helping those in need. I want everyone to be able to worship freely and safely, but I do not want any particular religion to have a big hand in government, and I think that the GOP panders too much to some religious groups.

For the past few years, I have been seeing frightening changes in the religious groups due to their ties with the GOP. I see things on this Catholic forum that make my head spin and that seem to directly contradict many of Jesus’ teachings…
This is one of those rare intelligent posts on this forum that involves critical thinking and a good heart. Good for you. I also voted for Obama, and am proud of it.
 
It is sad that the GOP has continued to use the abortion card as bait for so many years now, and still, we have people on this forum eat it up. The GOP knows they’ll get a lot of votes with this card, so it gives them the freedom to do nothing about health care and capital punishment. Thankfully, most American’s didn’t fall for it this time. Thank God for that!
First of all, you’re comparing abortion to Capital Punishment. In one case, a 100% completely innocent human being is being indescribably massacred in the name of utter selfishness. On the other hand, a human being’s life is being taken because of the indescribable acts that they, themselves, have committed against other innocent human beings. Be it raping, burning alive and murdering an entire family or something similar that is completely reprehensible. Now I’m not saying that Capital Punishment is an easy thing to swallow but it is, in no way, anywhere near the same level as abortion.

Also, the GOP does not ‘do nothing about healthcare’ because healthcare isn’t the problem. In fact, we have the best healthcare in the world. Health insurance is the problem, and the majority of Republicans acknowledge that it is a problem. Every single American has access to healthcare, and some don’t even have to pay for it. The solution, though, isn’t forcing it down the throat of every citizen, stealing money from some to give to others, and forcing Catholic medical institutions to forcefully perform abortions and distribute contraception.

I’m sorry to say you’ve been led by hand by the propoganda machine and I hope and pray that you consider letting go and coming to us.
 
Everyday I think of all of the people who have my work ethic and intellect (or who are more intelligent, harder workers), but who will never get my opportunities because of their lack of advantages. I am referring to the culture of poverty that keeps people from feeling like they have the real ability to advance their socioeconomic status and children who attend failing inner city schools with burnt out teachers and outdated materials. I think of the kids who feel unsafe in their neighborhoods, who sometimes don’t have enough food or clean clothes, who feel like they are not meant to be one of the privileged few. During the second debate, Romney made a comment about cutting funding to PBS. In the practical sense, cutting funding to such programs would hardly a make dent in the deficit, but I also saw this as his lack of understanding about the importance of public works. I believe that President Obama is more in touch with the middle class and cares more for its members. Furthermore, I like that the President is more concerned for women’s health. He and other democrats would not make comments like some of the ones that Republicans made earlier this year…think Todd Akin. It’s cliche, but it’s also true. There a lot of older, wealthy Caucasian males in the party who are out of touch with the youth, with many female voters, and with many minorities.

I like the President’s stance on social issues. I have numerous homosexual friends who are cut deeply every time they hear that someone does not think that they should be allowed to marry. You don’t know these types of statements hurt people until you witness it first hand. It makes many homosexuals feel that their fellow countrymen see them as lesser people, who do not deserve the same rights as those who happen to be born heterosexual. I also believe that we need to address climate change and that we need to work to protect the environment. I am in favor of gun control, regulation of capitalism, and of helping those in need. I want everyone to be able to worship freely and safely, but I do not want any particular religion to have a big hand in government, and I think that the GOP panders too much to some religious groups.

For the past few years, I have been seeing frightening changes in the religious groups due to their ties with the GOP. I see things on this Catholic forum that make my head spin and that seem to directly contradict many of Jesus’ teachings. For example, I believe that Jesus would support a little bit of redistribution so that the poor and needy can live comfortably. I believe that Jesus would support environmental protection and that he would be opposed to the death penalty, etc. I think that Catholics on this forum are so hung up on the abortion issue that they forget that other issues exist. And since it’s such a major issue, I suppose that I will try to address the topic of abortion.

If abortion were made illegal tomorrow, it would not stop the desire for the procedure. It would create a dangerous market for the procedure. It would be like putting a small band-aid on a massive wound. You have to address the symptoms. Have comprehensive sex ed programs, and make birth control accessible, especially in poor areas. You are not going to be able to promote abstinence enough to stop people from having sex. You’re living in a dream world if you think that pre-marital sex is going to stop or that everyone is going to start using programs like NFP. It’s not going to happen. So make your choice. I think that most of you would prefer the use of birth control and better sex ed. Additionally, more women would be likely to continue with a pregnancy if they felt that they had more resources, the exact types of resources that the GOP wants to cut. Also, let’s not forget that we endured eight years with the very conservative Bush, and abortions still took place. And please stop the nonsense that Obama is pro-abortion. He is not actively promoting abortion. I don’t know any people of sound mind who actually want abortions to happen. They can be traumatic for the mother as well. I would like to see more sympathy for these women. You never truly know what another person experiences.

For me, it really comes down to support for the poor and middle class, care for women’s health, environmental and other social issues, and the fact that I think Obama is a more genuine person. Romney seemed like an automaton from the beginning. He was counting on people voting for him for who he was not–not who he was. He did not make many concrete points, and he flip flopped terribly throughout the election.

I am also really turned off by extreme, vocal groups like the Tea Party, who many Americans consider to be a small, nonsensical group. If the GOP wants to gain young and/or minority voters, then they will need to rethink the party platform and make it more inclusive. Women voters, young voters, and minority voters are largely liberal, and these demographics will likely turn out more voters in the next election. You might not like what I am saying, but look at the results of yesterday. I am speaking the truth, and until you embrace that changes need to be made, your party will only continue to decline.
You’re socially liberal, so it makes sense you voted for Obama.

I’ll just say one thing: from a Catholic perspective, more birth control isn’t going to do anything to stop abortions; in fact, it will make them rise. People will feel that they can have sex at will and shouldn’t expect a child, and will be encouraged to have sex outside of marriage because of all of the birth control that gets put in their faces. I don’t think of abortions as a “procedure”. If having an abortion is associated with danger, I think less women will be wanting to have one if it could hurt them. Ultimately it saves more lives, the lives of the unborn.
 
Et Cetera

Your post was great. Sorry that the mods around here are a bit touchy if you disagree with them. They ban anyone who doesn’t agree with their idealist view.
 
So even if the child is wanted and was born into a loving family you would be alright with Doctors ending it’s life with or against the parents wishes solely based on born with a terminal disease or does your viewpoint only apply to unwanted babies who were unsuccessfully aborted. Even though there are cases of babies who are born with terminal diseases who actually survive against all odds.
I don’t think we are talking about terminal disease, but a terminal condition (previable fetus). If the baby survives, the fetus was obviously viable after all. It was an outlier. The question is if we want to base a practice on outliers.

Now, you can be in favor of abortion for two different reasons. One reason is the rights of the mother, and the second is because the fetus lacks personhood. I am unsure of what view Obama thinks support his de jure position. If he supports the second, a simple argument could be made saying that the pre-viable baby lacks personhood and therefore lacks intrinsic value. Furthermore, since the interest of the mother is death (by the fact that abortion was decided), and the pre-viable baby only can have value conferred by interested parties (primarily the mother), the pre-viable baby can be killed if it’s the will of the mother.

PS: I am actually leaning towards the pro-life position due to the deprivation-argument originating from secular philosopher Marquis, so don’t crucify me for explaining this.
 
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” Winston Churchill Sad but often true.
I heard one commentator on radio today, I forget who that Churchill was seen as way out I think they were saying before World War II… and then World War II came and all of those famous quotes of Churchill and guess what? Churchill was just what the Free World and United Kingdom needed to rise to the challenge that was facing them, dire it was… and the commentator went on that once the war was over, I vaguely know the history, Churchill found himself on the outside.

There are some real Winston Churchill fans out there, use him as an Avatar, I know someone who keeps his image up near their desk and these are Americans who are doing this.
 
Did you read what you wrote?

Guess what? We are all going to die. All of us, each and every one. So, I guess it is okay to kill anyone because we are all going to die, right?
I don’t even know how to respond to something like that. It makes no difference whether a particular infant is going to die in 10 minutes (and in terrible pain) or 80 years from now???

Please.

And anyway, if you will look at my post, I said I disagreed with the bill, but it is not legalized infanticide.
 
I don’t even know how to respond to something like that. It makes no difference whether a particular infant is going to die in 10 minutes (and in terrible pain) or 80 years from now??? Please.
Astonishing. Also, I’m not positively sure we have ascertained that the infant has this condition. That the infant is “pre-viable”.
. At no point does he (Obama) suggest that it would be okay to provide legal protection to pre-viable infants who survive abortions. That’s because he opposed such protection.
nationalreview.com/articles/316590/obama-and-infanticide-ramesh-ponnuru?pg=2
 
So I just typed this huge post for a thread that was apparently deleted. I’m sorry, but I’m going to post it here. It’s about why I voted for Obama. I figure that some of you might want to read it.

I voted for Obama because I believe, most importantly, that he cares about giving people equal opportunities. I don’t fit the stereotype of the typical Obama supporter that seems to swirl around this forum. My family is comfortably middle class, and I have had quite a few advantages in my life. I’m in medical school, and I work extremely hard. In short, I’m not a lazy freeloader, but rather I am hard-worker from a relatively privileged background.

Everyday I think of all of the people who have my work ethic and intellect (or who are more intelligent, harder workers), but who will never get my opportunities because of their lack of advantages. I am referring to the culture of poverty that keeps people from feeling like they have the real ability to advance their socioeconomic status and children who attend failing inner city schools with burnt out teachers and outdated materials. I think of the kids who feel unsafe in their neighborhoods, who sometimes don’t have enough food or clean clothes, who feel like they are not meant to be one of the privileged few. During the second debate, Romney made a comment about cutting funding to PBS. In the practical sense, cutting funding to such programs would hardly a make dent in the deficit, but I also saw this as his lack of understanding about the importance of public works. I believe that President Obama is more in touch with the middle class and cares more for its members. Furthermore, I like that the President is more concerned for women’s health. He and other democrats would not make comments like some of the ones that Republicans made earlier this year…think Todd Akin. It’s cliche, but it’s also true. There a lot of older, wealthy Caucasian males in the party who are out of touch with the youth, with many female voters, and with many minorities.

I like the President’s stance on social issues. I have numerous homosexual friends who are cut deeply every time they hear that someone does not think that they should be allowed to marry. You don’t know these types of statements hurt people until you witness it first hand. It makes many homosexuals feel that their fellow countrymen see them as lesser people, who do not deserve the same rights as those who happen to be born heterosexual. I also believe that we need to address climate change and that we need to work to protect the environment. I am in favor of gun control, regulation of capitalism, and of helping those in need. I want everyone to be able to worship freely and safely, but I do not want any particular religion to have a big hand in government, and I think that the GOP panders too much to some religious groups.

For the past few years, I have been seeing frightening changes in the religious groups due to their ties with the GOP. I see things on this Catholic forum that make my head spin and that seem to directly contradict many of Jesus’ teachings. For example, I believe that Jesus would support a little bit of redistribution so that the poor and needy can live comfortably. I believe that Jesus would support environmental protection and that he would be opposed to the death penalty, etc. I think that Catholics on this forum are so hung up on the abortion issue that they forget that other issues exist. And since it’s such a major issue, I suppose that I will try to address the topic of abortion.

If abortion were made illegal tomorrow, it would not stop the desire for the procedure. It would create a dangerous market for the procedure. It would be like putting a small band-aid on a massive wound. You have to address the symptoms. Have comprehensive sex ed programs, and make birth control accessible, especially in poor areas. You are not going to be able to promote abstinence enough to stop people from having sex. You’re living in a dream world if you think that pre-marital sex is going to stop or that everyone is going to start using programs like NFP. It’s not going to happen. So make your choice. I think that most of you would prefer the use of birth control and better sex ed. Additionally, more women would be likely to continue with a pregnancy if they felt that they had more resources, the exact types of resources that the GOP wants to cut. Also, let’s not forget that we endured eight years with the very conservative Bush, and abortions still took place. And please stop the nonsense that Obama is pro-abortion. He is not actively promoting abortion. I don’t know any people of sound mind who actually want abortions to happen. They can be traumatic for the mother as well. I would like to see more sympathy for these women. You never truly know what another person experiences.
Once again, great post!
 
. At no point does he suggest that it would be okay to provide legal protection to pre-viable infants who survive abortions. That’s because he opposed such protection.
nationalreview.com/articles/316590/obama-and-infanticide-ramesh-ponnuru?pg=2
What Ohden said was true in the sense of being true, and Hicks’s criticism is irrelevant. Yes, Obama thought that legislation offering protection for pre-viable infants would in principle erode Roe’s premise, and that’s why he opposed giving them any protection. In other words: Just as pro-lifers have long maintained, his devotion to abortion was so extreme that he thought a form of infanticide should remain legal.
So a form of infanticide might still be okay according to Obama!
 
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